best I have ever seen

10/12/2008 4:07:28 PM

NO IT IS PHILLLLLLLLLIP RIVERS

10/12/2008 4:11:16 PM

^ It would have been if he played, obviously


But since he didn't, then maybe Ryan can get it. Of course, Roethlisberger was pretty good also.

10/12/2008 4:13:09 PM

Big Ben is definitely up there too, but he had an infinitely better cast around him

10/12/2008 4:14:07 PM

yeah, just watched the 4th quarter of that bears/falcons game, and i agree. he looks incredibly poised for a rookie. he's not putting up huge numbers (though he had 300+ yards today), but he looks comfortable and in control. matter of fact, i think he looks more seasoned than probably 2/3 of current starters, regardless of tenure.

^ i will say, though, that the falcons overall look much better than expected. the o-line is giving ryan time and opening holes for turner/norwood, the recievers are making catches, and the defense is solid. they're definitely not as good as that steelers team was, but they're much improved from last season.

[Edited on October 12, 2008 at 4:33 PM. Reason : .]

10/12/2008 4:28:42 PM

this guy begs to differ

10/12/2008 4:46:31 PM

thxu, Wolfman.

10/12/2008 4:50:42 PM

Phillip Rivers is one of the most overrated quarterbacks in the NFL. If you honestly think that Phillip would have been better then Drew Brees in his rookie season then you don't know football. Phillip is an average quarterback that is surrounded by people who make plays that make him look good.

10/12/2008 4:54:18 PM

jokes on you

10/12/2008 4:58:09 PM

i make your mom look good

10/12/2008 5:04:57 PM

Quote :

"Phillip is an average quarterback that is surrounded by people who make plays that make him look good."

You're right. He's the only quarterback that looks better because of surrounding players. Every other quarterback is phenomenal surrounded by mediocrity.

10/12/2008 5:07:47 PM

Marino had 20 TDs for a team that threw a lot, Ryan could possibly reach that on a team that runs a shitload

10/12/2008 5:15:18 PM

Quote :

"Every other quarterback is phenomenal surrounded by mediocrity."

true story.

10/12/2008 5:53:40 PM

Matt's fucking awesome.

10/12/2008 6:27:20 PM

he's looking ok thus far

the interesting thing is he went from a college QB in a town where people don't give a shit about NCAA football to a pro QB in a town where people don't give a fuck about the NFL

10/12/2008 6:57:04 PM

10/12/2008 7:13:37 PM

Yep.

Tom O'Brien has an eye for talent.

10/12/2008 7:32:16 PM

yeah, William Green is a badass

10/12/2008 7:33:50 PM

hi i'm a contrary fuck

10/12/2008 7:50:04 PM

hahahaha, had to

10/12/2008 7:54:27 PM

But seriously, that pass to put them in field goal range was a big-time throw.

10/12/2008 8:12:06 PM

Peyton Manning has the rookie record for pass attempts, touchdowns, pass completions, most passing yards, and is just behind Roethlisberger for rookie record completion percentage. Matt Ryan is good, but he is no Manning.

10/12/2008 9:36:06 PM

Quote :

"Matt Ryan is good, but he is no Manning."

and you are SURE you are speaking about Manning - as a rookie

cause it looks like you lost sight of that by the end of your post

10/12/2008 9:39:02 PM

^ I'm not sure what you are talking about, but here is what I am referring to in my post.

Quote :

"Most Pass Attempts, Rookie, Season, 575, Peyton Manning, Indianapolis Colts, 1998 Most Pass Completions, Rookie, Season, 326, Peyton Manning, Indianapolis Colts, 1998 Most Passing Touchdowns, Rookie, Season, 26, Peyton Manning, Indianapolis Colts, 1998 Most Passing Yards, Rookie, Season, 3,739, Peyton Manning, Indianapolis Colts, 1998"

Roethlisberger was an animal too though. Rookie records for both completion percent and passer rating.


[Edited on October 12, 2008 at 10:06 PM. Reason : .]

10/12/2008 10:04:19 PM

its not just about stats though
its been said a lot in this thread about the qb's supporting cast

but if you want to use your stat argument anyways, how is matt ryan is tracking towards these records???

i dont disagree completely... just gotta weigh everything out

10/12/2008 10:14:28 PM

Well, in 1998, Manning's first year, the Colts were 3-13. Marshall Faulk was the only one who made the pro bowl. The surrounding cast was pretty bad.

10/12/2008 10:17:40 PM

^ yeah, I always hate it when people are like "Manning is only that good because of all the badasses around him"

Well, maybe they are badasses because of him??? Every person that has left that offense hasnt done shit anywhere else except for maybe Edge but he is nowhere near what he was at Indy. Stokley, shit, Pollard, shit, Rhodes, shit.

10/13/2008 12:06:48 AM

lol at the people mentioning marino...how many of you were actually alive when he was a rookie, let alone actually watch him play that year...

10/13/2008 2:20:40 AM

^^Try to stay on topic, you Peyton Manning cockstroker.

Ryan looks good so far. He's gotta watch out for the Derek Anderson principle, however. As more defenses get film on him, the tougher it'll get.

10/13/2008 2:49:49 AM

pretty sure this thread is just jayb fishing for peyton compliments

future threads:

Jim Sorgi = best QB on colts roster?
Tom Brady = most prolific tv commercial star?
Samus Aran = best laser / rocket arm?

10/13/2008 9:53:05 AM

^^ I didnt bring it up...

^ same thing to you


and how would it be me fishing for Peyton compliments when I say that Ryan is the best I have seen, thus saying hes looked better than Manning.

10/13/2008 10:41:32 AM

i don't think you know very much about fishing

10/13/2008 10:43:47 AM

I wouldnt set myself up to be wrong just to get some little comments about Manning... I dont have the Little Man complex that so many people on here have

10/13/2008 10:46:10 AM

Big Ben went 13-0 as a starter his rookie season, that's pretty hard to top. Yeah, he had a much better supporting cast, but he also did it against much better competition in the AFC.

10/13/2008 11:15:46 AM

^w's and l's don't mean shit when gauging a player.

10/13/2008 12:37:18 PM

10/13/2008 12:51:56 PM

Quote :

"w's and l's don't mean shit when gauging a player."

They do when judging QBs. Great QBs win a lot of games. Plain and simple.

10/13/2008 1:20:37 PM

^^hahahaha, who is that?

10/13/2008 1:21:36 PM

romo trying to catch, I believe.

10/13/2008 1:30:54 PM

^^^Great offense doesn't mean shit if defense can't do their job. Great defense doesn't mean shit if offense doesn't do theirs.

[Edited on October 13, 2008 at 1:31 PM. Reason : ^]

10/13/2008 1:30:56 PM

^ see NC State 2003-2006 seasons

10/13/2008 1:37:58 PM

Quote :

"They do when judging QBs. Great QBs win a lot of games. Plain and simple."

Trent Dilfer! Greatest QB ever! Better than Marino!

10/13/2008 2:04:57 PM

Dilfer lost more games than he won, fool.

Your counterpoint would have been valid if we were talking about superbowls.

10/13/2008 2:24:32 PM

sigh... ok, then that year Dilfer had a better year by a QB than Marino ever had!

10/13/2008 2:37:10 PM

^x8... That's awesome. It's impossible to watch that less than 3 times in a row. I love how he's so happy-go-lucky at first then he looks like he's going to cry while the ball is hitting his noggin'.

10/13/2008 2:49:17 PM

Doug Flutie FTW.

10/14/2008 3:35:28 AM

I second Doug Flutie, he made a drop kick for an extra point.

10/14/2008 10:06:40 AM

Doug Flutie started one game his rookie year.

10/14/2008 1:17:25 PM

you have to be kidding, Ryan is doing good but not that good. Rivers didnt even play his rookie year and when it comes to the playoffs and his uncorking (of course by this I mean that he is going to get corked…in the ass) of play is hilarious. Talks a lot of trash for not having a ring... Technically the most efficient rookie qb would be Big Ben (hate to say it). He is only 1 of 2 starting rookie qb's to win a playoff game

(Roethlisberger led the Steelers to victory in all of the team's 14 remaining regular season games in 2004 when replacing Maddox, giving Pittsburgh a 15-1 record and making the Steelers the first AFC team ever to win 15 games)

* I hate the steelers

10/16/2008 10:07:05 AM

^Winning doesn't make you a better player.

10/16/2008 3:43:27 PM