. . .calling all of western Pennsylvania racist.

Murtha apologizes for calling western Pennsylvania 'racist'

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"Murtha's apology came after the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette posted a story on its Web site Wednesday that quotes the veteran Democratic congressman as saying, 'no question that western Pennsylvania is a racist area,' and predicting that those attitudes could cost the Illinois senator on Election Day."

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/16/murtha.racism.apology/

Now, if Murtha would just apologize for calling U.S. Marines in Haditha murderers. . . .

PS: In case some of you aren't familiar with ABSCAM (and I suspect you aren't):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwjkQTNPDAg

10/17/2008 5:15:11 AM

you mean the marines who killed 24 unarmed citizens then tried to cover it up?
Yeah, you're right - i guess that was just their mission for the day

10/17/2008 9:36:00 AM

oh hell, you're in a whole mess of roll eyes now.

10/17/2008 9:53:58 AM

^^hahahahaha you are such a partisan hack.

10/17/2008 9:59:03 AM

^^^ Modern conservatives are all about using delusions to keep themselves comfortable.

They don't care anymore about owning up to your mistakes, and being responsible in finding solutions.

10/17/2008 10:21:37 AM

Yeah, way to totally avoid addressing the OP. Some of you are so fucking smug.

Concerning Murtha and the Haditha incident, no Marines have been convicted of murder, other charges have been lessened or dropped completely, and Murtha is being sued by several of the Marines--and rightfully so.

Now, are you going to condescend some more or can you muster an actual response as to why "ABSCAM" Murtha felt the need to smear a whole region of his own state as racist?

10/17/2008 10:36:33 AM

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"^^hahahahaha you are such a partisan hack."

Drips with irony.

10/17/2008 10:39:35 AM

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"Now, are you going to condescend some more or can you muster an actual response as to why 'ABSCAM' Murtha felt the need to smear a whole region of his own state as racist?"

10/17/2008 10:40:33 AM

^

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"Drips with irony"

10/17/2008 10:43:28 AM

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"hahahahaha you are such a partisan hack."

how can what I said be construed as partisan?
I don't give a damn what party Murtha is - he called a spade a spade. big deal.

Do I agree with his assertion that they are murderers? Eh, not sure. What happened in Haditha never should have happened, and the soldiers should be punished in some fashion. But I also have to imagine this kind of stuff happens much more regularly than we ever hear of (although maybe not to the level of Haditha) and it's kind of unfair to pull these guys out and threaten to send them to jail for the rest of their life when guys who do similar things get a slap on the wrist. I also find it crazy that we, as a country, send our military into a country to overthrow the government, kill 10s of thousands of civilians directly and indirectly through bombs, missiles, and stray gunfire, but then a few additional people are killed (i.e. 100,000 dead through other means, but it was the 100,024th dead person that really mattered) and all of a sudden we set up murder trials.

10/17/2008 10:45:48 AM

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"Now, are you going to condescend some more or can you muster an actual response as to why "ABSCAM" Murtha felt the need to smear a whole region of his own state as racist?"

get off your high fucking horse.

There are large areas of the country that are racist. Just like with any stereotype or generalization, not everybody who falls under the umbrella of the generalization are equally guilty or guilty at all.

Hey, here's a thought - Murtha is from southwest Pennsylvania. Maybe he knows what he's talking about

10/17/2008 10:50:38 AM

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"Yeah, way to totally avoid addressing the OP. Some of you are so fucking smug. "

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"Now, are you going to condescend some more or can you muster an actual response as to why ABSCAM Murtha felt the need to smear a whole region of his own state as racist?"

^ So why did Murtha apologize?

[Edited on October 17, 2008 at 10:53 AM. Reason : Why did you feel the need to double-post? ]

10/17/2008 10:51:00 AM

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"how can what I said be construed as partisan? I don't give a damn what party Murtha is - he called a spade a spade. big deal. "

seriously? had a republican said that you would be shitting yourself with "anger" and "outrage."

partisan hack BS

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"Drips with irony."

yeah how ironic

I never post in any of these numerous threads about this repub. sex scandal vs that dem. sex scandal because I am smart enough to know that there are assholes and scumbags on both sides of the aisle.

Its only the simpletons that rush to point out the D or the R with every single douchey-politician scandal.

10/17/2008 11:02:31 AM

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"Its only the simpletons that rush to point out the D or the R with every single douchey-politician scandal."

my feelings exactly


title of the thread:

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"John "ABSCAM" Murtha (D-Pa.) Apologizes for. . ."

10/17/2008 11:05:39 AM

Um. . .it's not the Republicans that are bringing up race all the goddamned time this election cycle. I wanted to reiterate this and I did so in the thread title.

Don't like? Tough shit.

10/17/2008 11:21:07 AM

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"Some of you are so fucking smug"

[Edited on October 17, 2008 at 11:25 AM. Reason : /]

10/17/2008 11:25:26 AM

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"it's not the Republicans"

It's republican supporters.

10/17/2008 11:41:03 AM

You mean, like all those "racist" Democrat primary voters?

10/17/2008 11:44:59 AM

I'm from Western PA, if that matters at all.

Lots of racists here.

10/17/2008 12:04:52 PM

There are bad people on TWW--so we're all bad, right?

Preemptive: No, just you.

10/17/2008 12:14:38 PM

No I'm just saying, I was surprised when I moved here (and I'm from the south). The racism that one encounters here is a lot more open, out there, and honest than the south but damn.

10/17/2008 12:39:42 PM

Well, I certainly can't argue with your anecdotal evidence. But I can take issue with Murtha smearing a whole region--and then apologizing for it.

10/17/2008 12:45:59 PM

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"There are bad people on TWW--so we're all bad, right? "

Does that work the opposite way too?

"Americans are great" must also be an inappropriate statement in your world, since clearly not all Americans are great, and that someone making that statement must certainly mean that every single American must be great.

10/17/2008 12:49:23 PM

Well he'll be forced to apologize for it politically, but the racism up here's pretty out in the open.

One of the first things somebody asked me when I got up here was: "So... in the south are the blacks so... aggressive?"

10/17/2008 12:49:44 PM

^^

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"Now, are you going to condescend some more or can you muster an actual response as to why ABSCAM Murtha felt the need to smear a whole region of his own state as racist?"

10/17/2008 12:52:42 PM

If it is racist, I don't see how it's a smear.

Would calling the south racist in the 60s be a smear?

10/17/2008 12:54:28 PM

The South is an easy target. What about serious racial problems in New York, Boston, Chicago, and Los Angeles, just to name a few? Should we also brand those entire cities as racist? And a city is an even smaller area, if not geographically then conceptually.

10/17/2008 1:09:16 PM

If it walks like a duck . . .

10/17/2008 1:14:06 PM

hey, if the shoe fits

10/17/2008 1:14:46 PM

Sweet Jesus. So, we've gone from Murtha calling western Pennsylvania racist--and apologizing--to some of you basically calling the entire country racist, right?

10/17/2008 1:17:35 PM

I'm not sure what sheltered corner of white America you come from, but you obviously have never lived in a city with blatant and open racism.

10/17/2008 1:19:48 PM

I've lived all around the world. I just don't think it's fair to paint such broad sections of the country as racist, the way Murtha did and you seem now to be doing.

It's just intellectually lazy and politically expedient.

10/17/2008 1:22:24 PM

the entire country is racist, dont you get it

yet somehow obama will win by a landslide...

10/17/2008 1:24:10 PM

Indeed.

10/17/2008 1:26:33 PM

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""Now, are you going to condescend some more or can you muster an actual response as to why ABSCAM Murtha felt the need to smear a whole region of his own state as racist?""

Haha, either you're trolling, or just really simpleminded, because most of the comments HAVE been related to exactly this.

You just don't want to admit the truth, even though you see it, that you have no point.

10/17/2008 3:34:00 PM

Opposing Murtha

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"On Wednesday, October 15 — three weeks away from Election Day — Murtha sat down for a chat with the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. He explained that he didn't think Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama would fare well in his district because 'there is no question that western Pennsylvania is a racist area.' Murtha’s remarks were even caught on camera. Almost immediately afterward, Russell was up with ads pillorying the congressman for the comment. [b]As if that comment weren't bad enough, Murtha pulled off the neat trick of shooting himself in the foot while it was still in his mouth, by helpfully explaining that he didn't mean to call his constituents racist. Rather, they are just 'really redneck.'"

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NTkyZTIxY2U2YjVkNGM4NzYwNmRkMjE2MTA0N2Q2NzA=



"ABSCAM" Murtha's at it again! God, I hope this fucking doofus loses.

[Edited on October 23, 2008 at 4:06 AM. Reason : ]

10/23/2008 3:59:58 AM

Well, maybe they are terribly racist in that area... just like urban areas have a high demographic of low-income families, perhaps western-pennsylvanian areas have a high demographic of racist bigots.

Truth or not, it is still incredibly stupid of him to make such statements about his own constituents. On the other hard, though, I'm not calling for his head simply because he stated an unpopular truth (assuming it is truth... if not, then he's just a dick and deserves to get beaten in the coming election)

10/23/2008 4:44:28 AM

AHA, he reminds me of Sheriff Bizzell.

Just like, "Whoops! Sorry, guys. I didn't mean to be so, uhhh, honest about my opinions."

10/23/2008 4:50:59 AM

^^ Look, I'd be willing to give Murtha a pass on this one. It's bad, but shit happens.

But it's ABSCAM, ethics issues, the Haditha shit, and so on--I mean, Murtha's a clown. I just hope he loses--besides, isn't 34 years in Congress long enough for this guy?

10/23/2008 5:18:18 AM

didn't you hear, hooksaw? 'redneck' is now a term of endearment.

As soon as Sarah Palin says it, it's socially acceptable for anyone to say it

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"“I see Gretchen Wilson over there and I need to get your autograph before we leave! Hello! Yes! Someone called me a redneck woman once and you know what I said back? I said, ‘Why thank you.’"

http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/10/22/palin-im-a-redneck-woman/

10/23/2008 8:16:48 AM

why does the Paederastsaw care so much about who Pennsylvanians elect?

[Edited on October 23, 2008 at 12:28 PM. Reason : .]

10/23/2008 12:28:32 PM

My girlfriend is from southwest Pennsylvania (about 20 minutes from where Flight 93 went down) and agrees with Murtha. She says it's a racist, redneck area. Should he have said that out loud? Eh, I dunno, but it seems to be pretty much the truth.

10/23/2008 4:44:59 PM

GO PACK!

10/23/2008 5:46:39 PM

Bachman (R-Mn.) Calls Dems Anti-American on Hardball, Does Not Apologize

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tuu3fqh9JqE

10/24/2008 9:11:48 AM

Karl Rove, advisor to John "Keating 5" McCain, confirms that Pennsylvanians "cling to guns and faith"

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"ROVE: But it’s a conservative part of the state, and then if you take the far southwestern corner over there near Pittsburgh and the suburbs, that’s coal country, and that’s the kind of people who really do cling to their guns and their faith, and took a lot of — you know that was part of the state where Obama might be expected to do well."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Y5e_GbeAlQ

10/24/2008 10:51:41 AM