Feel free to attempt to read this whole thing and posts your thoughts. I'm curious to know if all of this is 100% true or if its half truth's and/or bullshit.

http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/viewarticle.php?selectedarticle=2008.10.14_George_Robert_Obama%27s%20Abortion%20Extremism_.xml

10/21/2008 10:01:26 AM

Obama hates babies and would kill them with his bare hands, if given the chance

10/21/2008 10:04:50 AM

Obama hates babies and would kill them with his bare hands, if given the chance

10/21/2008 10:10:18 AM

I hate babies and would kill them with my bare hands, if given the chance

[Edited on October 21, 2008 at 10:12 AM. Reason : .]

10/21/2008 10:12:32 AM

It's pretty much bullshit - he opposes late-term abortions unless the mother's health is in danger

Also, he opposed a bill that would make it law for doctors to care for babies who end up living after those rare late-term abortions becacuse that is already law, it's called the hippocratic oath. That same bill had sneak attacks on Roe V Wade in it - it was just some pro-lifers trying to be slick.

Now the pro-lifers are trying to use it against Obama, and it isn't working.

10/21/2008 10:22:26 AM

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"he opposed a bill that would make it law for doctors to care for babies who end up living after those rare late-term abortions becacuse that is already law, it's called the hippocratic oath. "

too funny, yet typical

10/21/2008 10:36:26 AM

of course, we all know McCain's position on abortion, or at least his view of Obama's position on abortion..... it should only be done late term for the health of the mother.

wait - that wasn't sufficiently sarcastic..... try to imagine using huge air-quotes when saying "the 'health' of the 'mother' "

10/21/2008 10:52:36 AM

Obama throws babies into the air and then punches them so hard they fucking EXPLODE.

10/21/2008 10:55:14 AM

I dont see how anyone could support a partial birth abortion, regardless how you feel about the womans right to choose.

10/21/2008 10:56:59 AM

i don't think the IDX procedure (partial birth abortion isn't even a thing) should ever be used unless the mother's life is in danger.. i mean i'm pro-choice but it's pretty fucked up

10/21/2008 11:04:43 AM

It sounds like Obama feels the same way, as does the majority of the country - but it's necessary to keep it viable for extreme circumstances.

10/21/2008 11:11:28 AM

which would be what?

10/21/2008 11:14:20 AM

Not to restrict it 100% to these situations, but

1.) If the mother would die or be seriously injured otherwise
2.) Rape
3.) If the child would be born with a deficiency that would cause it to die painfully and/or slowly soon after birth

[Edited on October 21, 2008 at 11:17 AM. Reason : .]

10/21/2008 11:16:43 AM

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"In 2002, Senator Obama stood on the floor of the Illinois State Senate to oppose the Born Alive Infant Protection Act. By this time, even the abortion rights organizations like Planned Parenthood had dropped their opposition. But Obama continued to oppose the law. He was the only person to speak out against the legislation. In an exchange with Senator O'Malley, the legislation's sponsor, Obama's concern was about second guessing the abortionist. Here is what he said: "As I understand it, this puts the burden on the attending physician who has determined, since they were performing this procedure, that, in fact, this is a nonviable fetus; that if that fetus, or child - however way you want to describe it - is now outside the mother's womb and the doctor continues to think that it's nonviable but there's, let's say, movement or some indication that, in fact, they're not just coming out limp and dead, that, in fact, they would then have to call a second physician to monitor and check off and make sure that this is not a live child that could be saved." SHORTER BARACK OBAMA: Let's trust the guy who just botched the abortion to determine whether or not he actually did botch the abortion. That's it. If a baby comes out and is alive, Barack Obama thought it too damned burdensome to have another doctor, someone used to dealing with live babies, check to see if the baby was viable."

Fetus..child..doesn't seem to matter to Obama. Once it is decided to be an abortion- it's just a lump of tissue.

10/21/2008 11:22:48 AM

It's already law to care for a child if it's born alive!!!

JESUS

10/21/2008 11:25:19 AM

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"Obama throws babies into the air and then punches them so hard they fucking EXPLODE."

i just sprayed coke all over my desk

10/21/2008 11:29:25 AM

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"1.) If the mother would die or be seriously injured otherwise "

And what scenerio would this be with a full term pregnancy?

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"2.) Rape"

Again, would probably be known before 9months if she was raped.

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"3.) If the child would be born with a deficiency that would cause it to die painfully and/or slowly soon after birth"

Now this I can agree with, but cant think of an instance where it would be. However, they could provide care and make sure the infant isnt in pain as opposed to crushing its skull and sucking out its brains. There should be a certain level of humanity at this point.

10/21/2008 11:30:40 AM

here is a good article on the topic: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24844532/page/2/

and the rape thing is not an excuse.. yes women should be allowed to abort if they got raped, but not in the third trimester.

10/21/2008 11:35:59 AM

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"It's already law to care for a child if it's born alive!!! "

Yes, it is called The Born-Alive Infants Protection Act (BAIPA), which passed in 2002.

However he voted against it in Illinois, but later passed in 2005 after he left office.


I just found your hippocratic oath comment funny terp.

10/21/2008 11:40:37 AM

How the hell is being pro-choice extremism? If you want to characterize anti-abortion as a reform movement or change movement, that is one thing, but characterizing being pro-choice as extremist just makes the antiabortioners look stupid in addition to being extremists who associate with terrorists.

[Edited on October 21, 2008 at 2:37 PM. Reason : ?]

10/21/2008 2:37:01 PM

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"yes women should be allowed to abort if they got raped, but not in the third trimester."

But what about those news stories about teenage girls who don't even realize they're pregnant for months?

10/21/2008 2:56:11 PM

Everyone should be given 4 free abortion coupons at birth, including one late term ticket thrown in the mix.

10/21/2008 2:57:15 PM

Abortion lowers crime rates. Discuss.

10/21/2008 2:58:39 PM

Everyone should be given 4 free manslaughter coupons at birth, including one murder ticket thrown in the mix.

Everyone should be given 4 free thieving coupons at birth, including one violent robbery ticket thrown in the mix.

10/21/2008 3:02:20 PM

hippocratic oath.

10/21/2008 3:04:26 PM

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"How the hell is being pro-choice extremism? If you want to characterize anti-abortion as a reform movement or change movement, that is one thing, but characterizing being pro-choice as extremist just makes the antiabortioners look stupid in addition to being extremists who associate with terrorists. "

The argument they are trying to make isn't that being pro-choice is extremists, but that Obama is extremely pro-choice. Basically, they are arguing if you oppose a plan that even Planned Parenthood doesn't object to, you are pretty extreme in your views, which is logical.

10/21/2008 3:05:03 PM

I don't see the point. How would that change anybodies mind?

10/21/2008 3:36:35 PM

UGH - I can't believe I'm doing this. Why am I doing this?

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"1.) If the mother would die or be seriously injured otherwise "

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"And what scenerio would this be with a full term pregnancy?"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maternal_death
Severe bleeding, infections, cardiac failure, obstructions, etc.

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"2.) Rape"

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"Again, would probably be known before 9months if she was raped."

Yes, probably. However, in situations where a woman (or young girl) was raped, I don't think we should say "well, you have x months." I think if a woman is raped, she has the right to refuse that pregnancy until pretty far along. Now, there maybe should be some sort of limit, but the main problem I have is that everyone, doctors included, can't agree on what that limit should be - so we're going to let some old dudes in government make that decision? Maybe it should be decided by doctors who have to make sure their limits fall within some sort of regulatory guideline - I don't know.

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"3.) If the child would be born with a deficiency that would cause it to die painfully and/or slowly soon after birth"

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"Now this I can agree with, but cant think of an instance where it would be. However, they could provide care and make sure the infant isn't in pain as opposed to crushing its skull and sucking out its brains. There should be a certain level of humanity at this point."

Maybe, maybe not. To imply that the practice is less humane than making a mother birth a live baby which then dies, perhaps painfully, is not something that's debatable to me. I'd say it's up to the doctor and the mother to make that decision.

The point I'm making is that the doctor should be allowed to make that decision. There clearly must be reasons why the medical community, at least some of it, supports this practice. I'd trust the judgement of medical professionals before I'd trust the government to make these decisions, and I doubt there are many doctors out there who are just performing late-term abortions for fun.

Also,

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/3500603.html
Abortions performed by dilation and extraction were estimated to account for 0.17% of all abortions in 2000

10/21/2008 4:08:49 PM

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"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maternal_death Severe bleeding, infections, cardiac failure, obstructions, etc."

I see you left out abortion on there. Yes these all cause deaths from pregnancy, but in no case would they need to do an abortion to save the mother.

I dont think in ANY case there should be a partial birth abortion, and Im prochoice. Im not sure exactly when life begins, but if that baby can survive outside the womb, then its hard to argue that it isnt a life at that point.

My point about the rape is that you should make up your damn mind before 9 months, and if you havent, then abortion is not an option. imo

How many late term or partial birth abortions are performed each year? I highly doubt its the majority, but I oppose this practice far more than early ones.

10/21/2008 4:47:17 PM

I support partial birth only if they kill the baby by hitting it on the head with a billy club while wearing a derby.

10/21/2008 7:00:45 PM