http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3683034

so i guess he thinks his only Natl Champ is tainted??

cant believe he didnt mention anywhere in that article how he feels the BCS cheated Auburn out of a chance at a nat'l champ

weird

11/4/2008 8:26:41 PM

he'd win the title every year if there was a playoff.

11/4/2008 8:51:55 PM

He comes from the Phil Hellmuth school of logic


Still, I'd take a shot in the mouth if we could ever get a coach like him

11/4/2008 8:54:15 PM

^^ I disagree with that. USC does always look good at the end of the season, but if they had to play 3 games against very good opponents in a row (assuming an 8 team playoff), they're guaranteed to lay an egg somewhere in that stretch.

USC benefits from playing a couple of really good teams each year and then a bunch of shit teams in the PAC-10/Notre Dame. They cannot consistently beat strong opponents week-in, week-out. USC is lucky they do not play in a league championship game or have any real competition in the PAC-10.

11/5/2008 10:29:55 AM

Well a league championship game wouldn't be a huge problem for USC seeing as how the rest of the league is so weak

Yeah, it would give them another chance to fuck up, but they would be heavy favorites over anyone currently in the PAC 10 or any of the two teams they would add to get the requisite 12

11/5/2008 10:32:05 AM

^ Agreed, but one more game against Oregon or Cal or whoever gives them another chance to be beaten, get injured, get tired, etc. Either way, USC would not make it through an 8 team playoff except for maybe that team with Leinart, Bush, Jarrett, etc that was bad-ass.

11/5/2008 10:48:15 AM

speak for yourselves, i'd put my money on usc in a playoff in a heartbeat.

11/5/2008 10:52:22 AM

^whatever you say is usually wrong....so USC would be a bad team to put money on.

11/5/2008 12:27:15 PM

^ shit. He's right more than 99.5% of the people on here... with that .5% being made up of me and me alone.

11/5/2008 12:32:08 PM

I bet some people are STILL talking about the OHIO state and the Natl championship game

11/5/2008 12:38:34 PM

Quote :

"USC would not make it through an 8 team playoff except for maybe that team with Leinart, Bush, Jarrett, etc that was bad-ass."

They didn't even make it through a one-team playoff

11/5/2008 1:06:59 PM

Quote :

"whatever you say is usually wrong....so USC would be a bad team to put money on."

lolwut??

11/5/2008 1:53:13 PM

^^ Not talking about the team that lost to Texas. I was referring to 2004 when Leinart won the Heisman and USC smoked Oklahoma in the BCS game. That team was bad ass.

The 2003 and 2005-present teams have all been very good, but I do not believe any of those teams would win three straight in a playoff to win the NC.

11/5/2008 2:24:52 PM

usc would probably dominate a playoff many times b/c carroll is so good at getting his teams prepared and ready for big games. best in the business at that hands down. look at his bowl record.

and i wouldn't call it laying an egg if you lose one of three straight really tough games as some of you are saying usc would. hardly any sec team goes undefeated ever because they have to play all these tough games in a row. when an sec team loses it is because of all of these tough games in a row but if usc lost one of three tough games in a row it would be because they would lay an egg???? doesn't make sense.

the only way usc would lose in a playoff very often is if they made it 64 teams like bball and make usc play someone they are supposed to kill in the first round. usc loses more of these games by far than big games against quality competition.

11/5/2008 2:43:23 PM

for you guys saying that USC wouldn't be able to win 3 games in a playoff, who do you think would have a better shot at it?

11/5/2008 3:16:12 PM

It would not be unforeseeable to see USC running through a playoff schedule almost yearly. Every other team in the playoff would be playing just as tough a schedule. I think USC gets up for big games and comes ready to play especially with Pete Carrol.

No way I would doubt them in a college playoff system. Them boys are truly talented year in and year out. It's not even fair.


III

11/5/2008 3:21:28 PM

^^ NC State

[Edited on November 5, 2008 at 4:12 PM. Reason : duuuuuuuhhhhhhhh]

11/5/2008 4:10:55 PM

he is right

11/5/2008 5:21:41 PM

Quote :

"for you guys saying that USC wouldn't be able to win 3 games in a playoff, who do you think would have a better shot at it?"

Id take the best SEC team any year over USC (except 2004) to win 3 games in a row because the SEC teams are battle tested and used to playing big games week in and week out. If we are talking about this year, I'd take either UT, OU, or Florida as a safer bet to win three in a row in playoff than USC.




[Edited on November 5, 2008 at 5:52 PM. Reason : jk]

11/5/2008 5:52:24 PM

I dont care who wins, there needs to be a playoff

11/5/2008 6:10:01 PM

Quote :

"I dont care who wins, there needs to be a playoff"

11/5/2008 6:31:42 PM

Pete Carroll no longer able to go unbeaten in the Pac 10.

11/5/2008 6:46:03 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3-eavMSBnk&feature=related

11/5/2008 9:36:29 PM

pete carroll is a douche bag

11/5/2008 10:17:17 PM

why do you say that?

11/6/2008 1:21:35 AM

Holy shit, Obama wants a playoff.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news;_ylt=AsjKDLOgqq.jD4Wf.ttawgUcvrYF?slug=dw-obamabcs110508&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

11/6/2008 2:35:17 AM

People talk about this every year. What has to happen for there to be actual ^change?

11/6/2008 7:44:48 AM

haha

there cant be actual change because if there was, we couldnt bitch

11/6/2008 8:37:19 AM

Oh, I'm sure we'd complain about their selections of top 8 seeds. Especially the last few selections.

11/6/2008 11:01:16 AM

hopefully alabama, texas tech, and penn state will go undefeated. jim delany would be pulled limb from limb by every football fan in america if his policy were to cause joe fucking paterno, who happens to be in his own conference, to retire without another shot at the national championship.

11/6/2008 11:19:04 AM

^^ seriously. people are ALWAYS going to bitch about it. look at basketball, people complain about who gets snubbed from a 65 team bracket.

11/6/2008 11:55:13 AM

I hate that arguement where people go "but that 9th place team will get screwed!"

Looking back, I've never once thought to myself "wow, that team 9th in the BCS deserves a shot."

That is a lame excuse to not have a playoff, teams 5-8 should be happy/lucky they got in, no sympathy for the 9th team that gets screwed. In college basketball it is a bigger deal just because it is usually a small school vs. a big school for those last spots so it generate arguements when it is a 28-5 small school vs. a 17-17 ACC school for the last spot.

Sure people will argue over the 8th, but I don't really care because we'll have 1-5 in and those are always the teams people make arguements for.

6 BCS conference champions get in, 1 wildcard that is the highest ranked bcs conference team not to win the conference championship, and 1 spot for the highest bcs ranked midmajor.

11/6/2008 2:25:23 PM

Quote :

"seriously. people are ALWAYS going to bitch about it. look at basketball, people complain about who gets snubbed from a 65 team bracket."

This is why there needs to be a 129 team bracket.

11/6/2008 4:55:23 PM

haha [no]

11/6/2008 5:09:27 PM

I guess I am one of the few people who still like the bowl system. I think a 4 team playoff would be an improvement, but a 16 or 32 team playoff would take too much away from the regular season.

Another point that most people never mention is that 50% of teams that make it to a bowl, win their last game of the season. Only one team in a tourney finishes the year with a win.

Even with all the parity that we see in college football today, we are watching a season in which one loss during the season could eliminate a team from the NC. So that places the upmost importance on every game.

For instance: If we had a ten team tourney this year, the SEC Championship would lose a lot of its importance, since most likely the winner and loser would still make it into the tourney.

[Edited on November 6, 2008 at 9:05 PM. Reason : 4 game playoff != 4 team playoff]

11/6/2008 9:04:46 PM

Quote :

"I hate that arguement where people go "but that 9th place team will get screwed!" Looking back, I've never once thought to myself "wow, that team 9th in the BCS deserves a shot." That is a lame excuse to not have a playoff, teams 5-8 should be happy/lucky they got in, no sympathy for the 9th team that gets screwed. In college basketball it is a bigger deal just because it is usually a small school vs. a big school for those last spots so it generate arguements when it is a 28-5 small school vs. a 17-17 ACC school for the last spot. Sure people will argue over the 8th, but I don't really care because we'll have 1-5 in and those are always the teams people make arguements for. 6 BCS conference champions get in, 1 wildcard that is the highest ranked bcs conference team not to win the conference championship, and 1 spot for the highest bcs ranked midmajor. "

agree with this completely. this way for the "purists" the regular season still means a ton b/c you have to get into the top 8. and if you don't get into the top 8 then don't complain. this isn't basketball where 20 teams could win the title.

only thing i would change about your idea is the mid-major. if there is a year where none of those guys are all that good then just take the next best non conf. champ bcs major conf. team. there are some years where the mid-majors just can't cut it and in those years it would be silly to save a spot for them and keep out the 2nd best team in the big 12 or sec.

11/6/2008 11:16:39 PM

^^ agree with you for the most part by the way but disagree with one thing which makes me favor a playoff.

why should one loss in a 12 (or 13 if you play in a conf. champ game) season cost you a chance at a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP?????? especially when conferences are so different in competition level. if there are three one loss teams in the SEC, with as tough as that conference is, don't they all really deserve a shot at the championship??

if alabama or texas tech lose now at this point in the year neither one will most likely have a shot at the national championship and that is ridiculous. this season favors teams that lose early and have the rest of the season to climb back up. for example, if texas tech runs the table but then loses in the big XII championship game don't they still really deserve a shot at the national championship? i mean they would lose one game just like a ton of other teams, and to a good opponent in a conf. champ. game, but they would be booted in favor of a team that lost in week four, say florida to ole miss. that makes no sense.

11/6/2008 11:24:17 PM

Quote :

"if alabama or texas tech lose now at this point in the year neither one will most likely have a shot at the national championship and that is ridiculous."

No, you don't deserve to be in a NC game if you can't win your own conference. You can think of the conference championship games as first round of playoffs. I think all major conferences should be forced to have a championship game.

11/7/2008 12:18:09 AM

^ How would you reconcile that with the rule that you have to have 12 teams to have a conference championship?

11/7/2008 12:48:10 AM

^ just get rid of it. it's a dumb rule to begin with.

11/7/2008 7:39:34 AM

^^^alright, but i guess you are just saying that is how it should be for football, b/c often times in basketball the national champion did not win their own conference.

also, if bama or texas tech lost at this point in the year they still might could win their conf. title and not make the title game. if penn state goes undefeated there is one spot. both of them could lose, still win their conf. title along with penn st. winning the big 10, and only one of them gets in. that is retarded.

or what if three or four teams with zero or one loss win their conf. title. what do you do then?

the bowls are cool and a cool way to end a season, but not a good way to determine the national champion. too many scenarios can play out where it doesn't work at all.

11/7/2008 8:55:37 AM

Stop comparing football and basketball when it comes to this argument. The sports aren't the same, specifically because of the number of games. If the college football season was 34 games then sure, but it isn't.

Also, upsets happen in college basketball much more frequently, the game has more of a hot/cold aspect to it. Every year we see small schools knock off big schools, it happens in that sport. It doesn't happen hardly at all in football. Because of that you get a lot more leeway in basketball for losses then you do in football.

Don't make or break someone else's point based on college basketball.

11/7/2008 10:15:57 AM

^ have you been watching college football these past two years?

11/7/2008 10:25:23 AM

Are you serious? We have 1-2 games a YEAR in college football that are of the magnitude of upset you can get in college basketball all the time. I'm not talking Oregon St. beating USC..

You can't tell me that it is even close the number of upsets/opportunities to lose in college football compare to college basketball. It is much easier for a talented team to have a bad shooting day and the opponent having a hot shooting day, then it is in college football for a big school to lose(we are talking Akron beating OSU). Even if you QB is having a bad day they just run them over.

11/7/2008 10:31:24 AM

i wasn't comparing football and basketball. i just wanted to make sure that he wasn't talking about all college sports and just football with the comment about the national champ. should have to win their conference

and i then made my point about what if there are 3 conf. champs with one loss? what do you do then? requiring the national champ. to win their conference does nothing if there are more than two teams with the same # of losses (whatever it is 0,1,2,etc.) that win their conferences

11/7/2008 5:30:33 PM

^

I mentioned earlier that I was in favor of a plus one system or a 4 team playoff. That would take care of a lot of the ugly permutations that the current system would break down under. Unfortunately though, I think this has potential to become very slippery slope that could morph into a larger tourney.

The main purpose of the BCS is to pit the two best teams in the country against each other at the end of the year. A tourney favors the team that is playing the best at the end of the season, not necessarily the best teams.

Pete Carroll is a whinny tool. I remember watching Oregon St. dominate USC's offensive and defensive line for most of the game. What was so amazing is that Oregan St. ran all over USC (186yd) with a 5'6" 180lb Freshman. People forget the facts too quick. All they will remember is USC lost by a touch down to a conference opponent.

11/7/2008 10:02:53 PM

^Did you even watch that game?

If Oregon State hadn't jumped out to a huge lead when USC was asleep they would have lost by 20. But that's how it goes. They hardly dominated.

11/8/2008 12:44:34 AM

^

Yes, I did watch that game. USC won the 3rd quarter with a couple quick drives down the field. The rest of the game was all Oregon St.

Oregon St scored off an an Int to go up by 2 TD in the 4th Qtr. USC trailed and finally got a TD with 1min left in the game to make the game look closer than it actually was. USC trailed by 2 TD almost the entire game. Anyhow, that's the way I remember it.

Sorry but Oregon St dominated the line of scrimmage. How else does a 5'6" 180lb freshman back run for almost 200yrds??????

USC rushed for 86 yards with a stable of 5 * backs. I don't remember what the sack count was but I know Sanchez was rushed and hurried most of the night.

11/9/2008 9:56:21 AM

I think you are kidding yourself if you don't think that USC would have a great shot of running through an 8 team playoff. They still have talent all over the field on both sides of the ball.

But it doesn't matter because the Big 10 isn't going to be involved in it this year, and that alone makes every possible title game scenario 10 times more exciting then the thought of having to watch a big 10 team play in it.

Florida/Bama vs. Tech/Ok/USC/Texas any of those combinations would do it for me.

11/9/2008 10:30:54 AM

set em up

11/9/2008 12:32:26 PM