skokiaan All American 26447 Posts user info edit post |
Secretary of Defense - civilian, not powell Secretary of State - Hillary Secretary of Environment - Gore Warren buffet will only be an informal advisor Breast inspector - Bill Clinton 11/5/2008 12:47:48 AM |
ewstephe All American 1382 Posts user info edit post |
jackson jackson jr farrakhan ayers bill clinton 11/5/2008 12:50:19 AM |
joe_schmoe All American 18758 Posts user info edit post |
come on, man.
hillary is NOT going to secretary of ANYTHING. she's going to be Senator-for-Life until she sees an opening to make another bid for the white house 11/5/2008 12:51:06 AM |
beergolftile All American 9030 Posts user info edit post |
ug
i hope he reaches across the aisle
otherwise, it could get ugly
what about a really centrist/experienced/even conservative secretary of defense?
it would offset obama's extreme lack of experience 11/5/2008 12:53:18 AM |
skokiaan All American 26447 Posts user info edit post |
Hillary's generation has come and gone. There will be no presidency for her in 8 years or ever. 11/5/2008 12:53:33 AM |
NCBRETTSU Veteran 245 Posts user info edit post |
Secretary of the Environment?
Is this a new created position you propose? 11/5/2008 12:54:06 AM |
skokiaan All American 26447 Posts user info edit post |
whatever the equivalent is now or a new one. Dude wants to do a manhattan project for alternative energy. Connect the dots.
[Edited on November 5, 2008 at 12:56 AM. Reason : .] 11/5/2008 12:54:29 AM |
ewstephe All American 1382 Posts user info edit post |
yeah, the clintons are a warm memory now. 11/5/2008 12:54:39 AM |
NCBRETTSU Veteran 245 Posts user info edit post |
Hmm well there's the Sec. of Energy and the Administrator of the EPA, so I guess Al Gore would have to pick? 11/5/2008 1:00:44 AM |
joe_schmoe All American 18758 Posts user info edit post |
how about Secretary of the Interior?
[Edited on November 5, 2008 at 1:23 AM. Reason : ] 11/5/2008 1:23:09 AM |
ssjamind All American 30102 Posts user info edit post |
Lugar Richardson Summers Bob Gates 11/5/2008 1:29:48 AM |
roddy All American 25834 Posts user info edit post |
Homeland Security-Ayers 11/5/2008 1:34:45 AM |
joe_schmoe All American 18758 Posts user info edit post |
you angry little moonbats are going to have to let go of your love affair with Ayers.
anyhow... I predict Obama will put together a top-notch team and we'll have one of the most competent and smooth transitions to the new Administration ever seen.
not saying it will be perfect, or that there will be no glitches ... but I'll bet he's going to have damn near everything in place and ready to hit the ground running.
[Edited on November 5, 2008 at 1:37 AM. Reason : ] 11/5/2008 1:36:24 AM |
kdawg(c) Suspended 10008 Posts user info edit post |
I know he said he said he would reach across the aisle to pick a "post-partisan" cabinet, but he doesn't need to, and mostly likely won't:
He won a clear majority of the popular vote (and electoral college). His party gained seats in both houses of Congress.
He could tell Republicans to shove it, and then do what he wants. 11/5/2008 6:33:50 AM |
Ytsejam All American 2588 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "He could tell Republicans to shove it, and then do what he wants." |
Like Bush did in '04? Cause, that worked real well for him. 11/5/2008 6:54:08 AM |
HockeyRoman All American 11811 Posts user info edit post |
Brain(s) Trust v2.0
Let's just hope it isn't another Kitchen Cabinet.
[Edited on November 5, 2008 at 6:58 AM. Reason : ---] 11/5/2008 6:57:49 AM |
Mr E Nigma All American 5450 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Breast inspector - Bill Clinton" |
I lol'd11/5/2008 1:24:04 PM |
nacstate All American 3785 Posts user info edit post |
wonder if Rahm Emanuel accept the chief of staff position?
OH NOES BLACKS AND JEWS RUNNING SHIT! 11/5/2008 1:34:20 PM |
Socks`` All American 11792 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Secretary of Environment - Gore" |
Informed voter.11/5/2008 1:48:59 PM |
TKE-Teg All American 43410 Posts user info edit post |
if Gore has any position in the new government we're fucked. to be honest the fear that he would, if Obama was elected, was a significant factor in why I didn't consider voting for him.
[Edited on November 5, 2008 at 2:10 PM. Reason : tr00, this a little better?] 11/5/2008 2:04:25 PM |
jchill2 All American 2683 Posts user info edit post |
^ grammar head hurt 11/5/2008 2:09:11 PM |
SkankinMonky All American 3344 Posts user info edit post |
UPDATE 2:40: Rahm Emanuel has accepted the post of Obama's Chief of Staff. 11/5/2008 2:57:26 PM |
nacstate All American 3785 Posts user info edit post |
good pick.
he would have been dumb not to accept it. 11/5/2008 3:04:49 PM |
Shrike All American 9594 Posts user info edit post |
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/8091986/the_enforcer/
Quote : | "Friends and enemies agree that the key to Emanuel's success is his legendary intensity. There's the story about the time he sent a rotting fish to a pollster who had angered him. There's the story about how his right middle finger was blown off by a Syrian tank when he was in the Israeli army. And there's the story of how, the night after Clinton was elected, Emanuel was so angry at the president's enemies that he stood up at a celebratory dinner with colleagues from the campaign, grabbed a steak knife and began rattling off a list of betrayers, shouting "Dead! . . . Dead! . . . Dead!" and plunging the knife into the table after every name. "When he was done, the table looked like a lunar landscape," one campaign veteran recalls. "It was like something out of The Godfather. But that's Rahm for you."
Of the three stories, only the second is a myth -- Emanuel lost the finger to a meat slicer as a teenager and never served in the Israeli army. But it's a measure of his considerable reputation as the enforcer in Clinton's White House that so many people believe it to be true. You don't earn the nickname "Rahmbo" being timid." |
11/5/2008 3:14:20 PM |
wilso All American 14657 Posts user info edit post |
not sure how i feel about rahm. seems like the guy's personality is completely opposite of obama's, but his strong-arm tactics could get things done. 11/5/2008 9:33:24 PM |
HockeyRoman All American 11811 Posts user info edit post |
Obama would do well to avoid Chicago cronies and Clinton hold overs. 11/5/2008 9:36:55 PM |
agentlion All American 13936 Posts user info edit post |
Robert Gibbs named Press Secretary. Not a cabinet position, but I mention it b/c he's a NCSU grad http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/06/robert-gibbs-obamas-press_n_141752.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Gibbs 11/6/2008 1:30:02 PM |
RedGuard All American 5596 Posts user info edit post |
The question should be whether or not Obama can control Emanuel. An enforcer like Emanuel can be a powerful tool for a strong president particularly in shepherding policies and proposals, but if Obama can't control him, then you'll have the same sort of craziness you got in Dubya's administration (perfect example of a staff that was out of control). 11/6/2008 2:42:53 PM |
kbncsufan All American 1504 Posts user info edit post |
the appointment of emanuel proves where obama's true intentions lie and all that centerist crap was just that; crap
emanuel is about as hard-core liberal as it comes and obama is as well. he did a good job of hiding it in the election but he voted liberal 98% of the time while in senate. most liberal senator other than kennedy i believe.
not trying to take all these jabs at obama but this appointment does show clearly what his intentions are now that he is officially in the white house. 11/6/2008 2:43:14 PM |
ParksNrec All American 8742 Posts user info edit post |
Good lord, at least wait until he picks his entire cabinet before you start looking for ways to complain.
He'll put some republicans in his cabinet, probably at Secretary of State and maybe one or two others. 11/6/2008 3:23:50 PM |
kbncsufan All American 1504 Posts user info edit post |
^not necessarily complaining, just pointing out that his first appointment in a major position goes with his history as an extreme leftist and not the centerist approach that he ran with during the election.
i do believe that he will put a couple of people that are more conservative in positions as well but i think this first appointment sets the trend for how he wants to run the white house, esp. if it is his chief of staff 11/6/2008 3:37:01 PM |
moron All American 34142 Posts user info edit post |
Calling ANY American politician an "extreme leftist" is pretty idiotic. 11/6/2008 3:40:48 PM |
kbncsufan All American 1504 Posts user info edit post |
not when comparing them to other american politicians
no one is comparing his appointments to people in france. they are comparing them to other people in this country; and when doing that calling obama and emanuel extreme leftists based on their voting records and ideologies is not moronic
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[Edited on November 6, 2008 at 3:44 PM. Reason : .] 11/6/2008 3:41:31 PM |
MikeHancho All American 603 Posts user info edit post |
drudge http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/elections/national/Bamalot_Obama_Drafts_Star-Studded_Short_List.html
* Items to note- Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger was named as a potential candidate for Secretary of Energy in Oct and is still front runner... lol wut? 11/6/2008 3:48:46 PM |
Boone All American 5237 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "goes with his history as an extreme leftist" |
Quote : | "about as hard-core liberal as it comes and obama is as well. he did a good job of hiding it in the election but he voted liberal 98% of the time while in senate. most liberal senator other than kennedy i believe." |
Turn off Hannity for a while, please.11/6/2008 3:54:40 PM |
joe_schmoe All American 18758 Posts user info edit post |
why in the fuck would an actor-turned-governor be named Secretary of Energy?
what possible qualifications can Arnold Goddamn Schwarzenegger have to be Secretary of Energy? 11/6/2008 3:55:02 PM |
Prawn Star All American 7643 Posts user info edit post |
A solid bipartisan track record as Governor of CA, enacting laws to curb emissions and promote renewable energy, including the Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative and the Million Solar Roofs law? 11/6/2008 4:06:07 PM |
JCASHFAN All American 13916 Posts user info edit post |
^^ paper qualifications haven't appeared to be important this year. 11/6/2008 4:06:57 PM |
joe_schmoe All American 18758 Posts user info edit post |
obama is qualified on paper to be president. besides the constitutional requirements, he's demonstrated leadership, and more importantly got the vote.
but i would hope his cabinet positions have education, training, and demonstrated industry experience specific to the field they are supposed to manage 11/6/2008 4:16:33 PM |
moron All American 34142 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "no one is comparing his appointments to people in france. they are comparing them to other people in this country; and when doing that calling obama and emanuel extreme leftists based on their voting records and ideologies is not moronic" |
When you say "extreme" leftist, that has a very negative connotation. If your goal is to try and confuse or enrage a crowd of people, you may be able to get away with this technicality. But in reality, it just makes you look like a partisan hack. You'd call Chavez an extreme leftist, not Emanuel.11/6/2008 4:19:37 PM |
mls09 All American 1515 Posts user info edit post |
^^^^^i dunno, unless arnold is getting complete credit for clearing up the california energy crisis? doesn't really make sense to me either, although i kinda stopped paying too much attention to california politics after i left and gray davis got played like a chump.
Quote : | "He could tell Republicans to shove it, and then do what he wants." |
i don't think republicans really have to fear this. i'm sure he would like to run again in 2012, so a track record of not reaching across the aisle may hurt him four years from now. however, i'm sure he'll be timid to be bipartisan until republicans can re-invent themselves after the disaster of this election's lack of a true conservative identity.
[Edited on November 6, 2008 at 4:29 PM. Reason : ]11/6/2008 4:19:58 PM |
Prawn Star All American 7643 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | " i would hope his cabinet positions have education, training, and demonstrated industry experience specific to the field they are supposed to manage" |
LOL you get an energy industry guy running the Dept of Energy and Dems will scream bloody murder.
Fox guarding the henhouse and whatnot.
[Edited on November 6, 2008 at 4:21 PM. Reason : 2]11/6/2008 4:20:30 PM |
JCASHFAN All American 13916 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "obama is qualified on paper to be president." | He has no executive experience, he is considered something of a lightweight by other senators and . . . well there really isn't anything else job experience-wise. There are plenty of ivy-league graduates running for office who have had local "community organizer" type jobs. He sold America on his qualifications as a transformative leader and a visionary. I'm not saying he can't hack the job, but is paper resume is rather thin. Had he been a white male in the primaries he would have lost to Hillary. Period.
Schwarzenegger is the governor of the most energy progressive state in the nation, has practical experience dealing with the problems of implementing tight energy controls, and has shown the ability to work with a legislative body to pass his agenda. I'm not saying he's the best candidate, but he's certainly as qualified to be Energy Secretary as Obama is to be the president. Besides, Secretaries don't have to be specialists. They need to have a vision close to the president and the ability to work as a bridge between the "experts" and the people who will be affected by these decisions. He has to have the ability and motivation to drive an agenda. I dynamic and charismatic SoE could be just the trick for reinforcing Obama's energy policy. A book smart but wonkish nerd probably wouldn't accomplish that.
Quote : | "He could tell Republicans to shove it, and then do what he wants." | By all accounts Obama is extremely sensitive to polls. He also needs a friendly legislature to back his proposals. If he did that he'd just be a Democratic George Bush.]11/6/2008 4:55:43 PM |
jwb9984 All American 14039 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "By all accounts Obama is extremely sensitive to polls" |
what accounts?11/6/2008 6:04:02 PM |
JCASHFAN All American 13916 Posts user info edit post |
It is something I've picked up reading about him during the campaign. I don't have specific examples right now, so take it or leave it as you will. I'll post more if I stumble on one of them again. 11/6/2008 6:21:15 PM |
roddy All American 25834 Posts user info edit post |
^so, basically, you made it up....nice... 11/6/2008 9:15:48 PM |
JCASHFAN All American 13916 Posts user info edit post |
No. I picked it up in the Economist. I picked it up off NPR's It's All Politics, FORA.tv podcasts, internet articles, I just can't reference which specific ones off the top of my head.
Like I said, take it or leave it, it doesn't change my overall point that, "on paper" Obama was probably the second least qualified of the Democratic candidates and the less qualified of the two presidential candidates. Paper doesn't always matter though. 11/6/2008 9:43:54 PM |
kdawg(c) Suspended 10008 Posts user info edit post |
he may need to be willing to listen an compromise, but if who he picked for his COS is any indication of his desire for aggressive, liberal change, well, his cabinet may look a little more "left" than he initially claimed. 11/6/2008 9:48:19 PM |
EarthDogg All American 3989 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "He has no executive experience, he is considered something of a lightweight by other senators " |
Lincoln had practically no executive experience either when he took the reins of a crumbling country. There is always the potential that Obama would step up to the plate when it's needed. Some democrats can still be pretty effective war leaders.
The appointment of Rahm Emanuel as COS is interesting. Although Emanuel is a rabid democrat, he's also one tough cookie...which is what Obama might need.
Russian President Dmitry Medvedev is already testing the waters by threatening to base warheads along the Polish border if Obama goes forward with Bush's missile shield in Eastern Europe.
I hope Pres. Obama rattles his sabre a little during his inauguration speech- kind of like Kennedy
"Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, to assure the survival and the success of liberty."
With the world knowing so little about Obama's mettle, the risk is there that some might assume he is a paper tiger. It would be good for him to say or do something that shows the world how dangerous it would be to mess with him.11/6/2008 10:25:17 PM |
Fry The Stubby 7784 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "obama is qualified on paper to be president." |
come on...11/6/2008 11:19:56 PM |