when did the two parties flip flop


if you didnt know the republican party was founded as an ultra liberal abolitionist party in 1858

democrats were always conservative anti-tariff slave owners ala andrew jackson


does anyone know at what point they switched to where democrats were liberal and republicans were conservative?

ive been googling for awhile and have found nothing

11/5/2008 1:44:43 AM

fuck this thread I just live

11/5/2008 1:46:07 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

11/5/2008 1:46:41 AM

I may be wrong but I think it was FDR.

11/5/2008 1:47:17 AM

chit chat != soapbox#2

11/5/2008 1:47:48 AM

The definitions of liberal and conservative have flip-flopped too, so it's a little hard to say exactly, depending on what definition you're using.

They're both pretty much very pro-government now, though.

11/5/2008 1:48:01 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Party_System

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Party_System

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Party_System

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Party_System

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_Party_System

11/5/2008 1:48:58 AM

I want to say it was later than FDR, more around Kennedy's time, though I think the flip was a gradual process.

11/5/2008 1:50:07 AM

Quote :

"The definitions of liberal and conservative have flip-flopped too"

I dunno if flip-flop is the right word. Progressives/socialist kinda took over the term liberal in the '60's in the USA. Outside of the US, liberal means more of the "classical liberal".

There are still plenty of "liberal" Republicans, they just aren't progressive.

The Republican party didn't change much until the late 70's, early 80's when the so called "religous right" started to become a major player in the party, eventually becoming the voice of the party with Bush.

The Democratic party changed in the 60's.

The parties didn't switch places or anything. NE Republicans are very similar to Republicans of 100 years ago. You can't say that as much about southern Democrats, though you still have a few like Byrd.

11/5/2008 1:58:55 AM

ya i knew it was a gradual process, but thank you for the links that have helped

i dont know as much about 20th century american politics as i do about 19th century

but nastoutes post is agood read

11/5/2008 2:00:49 AM

our system is for saps.

i'm a whig.

I'm walls1441 and i approved this message.

11/5/2008 2:08:13 AM

Quote :

"In American politics, the Southern strategy refers to a Republican method of carrying Southern states in the latter decades of the 20th century and first decade of the 21st century by exploiting racism among white voters"

hahahah oh god that's rich

thxu wiki

11/5/2008 2:13:53 AM

whig=democrats

for the most part

unless you really want me to break down early 19th century politics

which i will if threatened!!!!!

11/5/2008 2:14:01 AM

oh they said it on tv. but i forgot.

11/5/2008 2:14:28 AM

i threaten you, hereby, saps!

11/5/2008 2:19:11 AM

well i do.. i said i do declare a duel mr. fermat

you have offended my integrity as a southern gentleman

11/5/2008 2:25:40 AM

when Lyndon Johnson helped move Civil Rights legislation through the congress, and then signed the Act in 1964, he reportedly remarked that the Democratic Party had just lost the South for a generation.

he would be wrong of course, they lost it for longer than that.

but i think that's pretty much the point of no return for the Republican / Democrat shift

11/5/2008 2:41:30 AM

Theodore Roosevelt would be decried as a socialist today by modern day Republicans.

11/5/2008 2:59:38 AM

no he wouldn't....

11/5/2008 3:00:23 AM

actually, yea he would

11/5/2008 6:55:20 AM

thank you very much

awesome links and awesome thread

11/5/2008 12:55:19 PM

Civil Rights Act in the 1960s,

liberals started voting democrat when LBJ ran.

11/5/2008 1:35:56 PM

Quote :

"Theodore Roosevelt would be decried as a socialist today by modern day Republicans."

That's ok, most people think modern-day Republicans are communists. Which is true.

11/5/2008 1:36:55 PM

Do some research into the Wilmington Race Riots of 1896, heck just wikipedia it and you will learn a lot about republicans and democrats and the history of why we are where we are today regarding that time in NC history.

11/5/2008 9:47:44 PM