lets start

12/18/2008 1:42:12 PM

an article, an adjective, and 4 nouns?

12/18/2008 1:48:52 PM

Obama smiled. At least for now. But he knows, or should know, that Fitzgerald and his prosecutors won’t be nearly as accommodating as the press.

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"http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YTg2NzI4MWVhY2I1OWQ3NTE5YmNhNGRiM2E3OGQxMTY="

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" Could the Blagojevich case lead to something like that happening to people close to Obama? Even though it might seem hard to find two more dissimilar cases, the answer is yes."

dont kid yourself

12/18/2008 3:28:06 PM

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12/18/2008 3:30:02 PM

dont kid yourself

12/18/2008 3:30:48 PM

and the investigation could lead to nothing. these speculative articles are the antithesis of responsible journalism.

12/18/2008 3:45:34 PM

capone followers said the same

12/18/2008 4:02:30 PM

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"Could the Blagojevich case lead to something like that happening to people close to Obama? Even though it might seem hard to find two more dissimilar cases, the answer is yes."

That article is pretty darned specious.

It argues that because Patrick Fitzgerald also prosecuted the Plame case, and the Plame case ended up putting the Bush administration through the ringer, the Obama administration will also go through the wringer?

The obvious rebuttal to this ridiculous line of thought is that the Bush administration actually was involved in the Plame case. There's not a shred of evidence indicating that this is the case with Obama, therefore there's no reason to believe there will be a Plame-esque affair.

The entire article is filled with the type of speculation that's characteristic GOP attacks on Obama. "Hey, we're not accusing him of anything. We're just asking questions that need to be asked."



[Edited on December 18, 2008 at 4:04 PM. Reason : ]

12/18/2008 4:02:48 PM

you are wrong, and ignorant

and i don't know where to start

12/18/2008 4:04:36 PM

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"and i don't know where to start"

you don't seem to know much. but you do seem to like to repeat byron york's opinions on obama.

12/18/2008 4:06:17 PM

You never start when it comes to actual debate. You just barf up recycled blog posts and then flee.

That's why you're a joke.

12/18/2008 4:06:59 PM

ok next

when you have something substantial to say, ok, until then, stop .. please

12/18/2008 4:07:41 PM

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"when you have something substantial to say, ok, until then, stop .. please"

you've shared NOTHING of your own opinion in your own thread.

let's recap. this is what you've said that isn't a direct quote from somewhere else:

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"lets start"

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"dont kid yourself"

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"capone followers said the same"

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"you are wrong, and ignorant and i don't know where to start"

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"ok next when you have something substantial to say, ok, until then, stop .. please"

your most substantive point (if you can even call it that) was comparing our president-elect to a mob boss. and you're telling US to more substantive?!

12/18/2008 4:10:08 PM

can u refute?


ill wait

12/18/2008 4:11:46 PM

btw, you dont put your face in your tww pictures

quite smart, but quite lame if youre going to call me out

12/18/2008 4:13:33 PM

Could you refute the broader point we've made-- that there's zero evidence to indicate that Obama had anything to do with the Governor's scandal?

12/18/2008 4:14:22 PM

refute what?

speculation that it's possible for obama to have done shady stuff? ok. he could have. but so could anyone. there is no evidence that he has, so we might just as well speculate as to what Jeff Tweedy might have done wrong. He is a Chicago resident after, and he's had much more recent drug problems!

12/18/2008 4:14:44 PM

Nixon was a president. Soon, Barack Obama will be, too.

I'm just asking questions that need to be asked, here.

12/18/2008 4:16:39 PM

i have every user against me, except a few


as long as i got this guy on the rails, its an accomplishment

12/18/2008 4:17:46 PM

i just think it's easy shooting fish in a barrel

12/18/2008 4:19:39 PM

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"The obvious rebuttal to this ridiculous line of thought is that the Bush administration actually was involved in the Plame case. There's not a shred of evidence indicating that this is the case with Obama, therefore there's no reason to believe there will be a Plame-esque affair. "

Wat?

Brush up on your history, the Bush administration had nothing to do with the Plame case, unless you consider some idiot deputy Secretary to be part of the administration. That didn't stop Fitzgerald from going after the administration a full 3 months after he knew the identity of the leaker. If you'll recall, the only charges ever filed were 'Obstruction of Justice', which was basically due to Scooter Libby being an idiot.

In this case, 2 guys with close ties to Obama, Jesse Jackson Jr and Rahm Emmanuel, were in regular contact with Blagojevich during the Senate selection process.

12/18/2008 4:39:43 PM

Worst thread ever.

12/18/2008 4:41:30 PM

It is possible that TKEshultz has put a guinea-saurus-rex up his ass. Until you can prove to me that he did not, I find it to be a completely legitimate argument

12/18/2008 4:44:50 PM

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"On July 11, 2006, Robert Novak confirmed that Rove was his second source for his article that revealed the identity of Valerie Plame as a CIA agent, the source who confirmed what Armitage had told him."

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"Eventually, Libby was found guilty by a jury. One juror announced that she felt that Libby was being used as a scapegoat and wondered why Rove himself wasn't charged."

[Edited on December 18, 2008 at 4:51 PM. Reason : .]

12/18/2008 4:46:14 PM

oh

well, then, ...ok.

12/18/2008 4:50:46 PM

Dropping that knowledge, with no edits.

Holler back now.

12/18/2008 4:52:17 PM

If this case reaches up to Rahm Emmanuel (Chief of Staff), then technically it will have reached closer to the President than the Plame case (Karl Rove as Deputy Chief of Staff). I don't know if it'll go that far up however, and while pay to play would be an embarrassment to the new administration assuming that a direct link can even be established, it's no where near as damning as the Plame case where national security itself was treated haphazardly at best or set aside at worst to strike back at a critic of the President.

12/18/2008 6:40:54 PM

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"Worst thread ever"

dude.

TKEshultz + politics.

clown shoes.

12/18/2008 9:33:11 PM

lol

12/18/2008 9:35:38 PM

oh, that one's fucking priceless

12/18/2008 9:47:05 PM

should we use this thread? or start a new one?

anyway - it's been a busy first day

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090121/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama_executive_pay

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"The pay freeze, first reported by The Associated Press, would hold salaries at their current levels for the roughly 100 White House employees who make over $100,000 a year. "Families are tightening their belts, and so should Washington," said the new president, taking office amid startlingly bad economic times that many fear will grow worse."

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"Obama's new lobbying rules will not only ban aides from trying to influence the administration when they leave his staff. Those already hired will be banned from working on matters they have previously lobbied on, or to approach agencies that they once targeted. ... The new rules also require that anyone who leaves his administration is not allowed to try to influence former friends and colleagues for at least two years. Obama is requiring all staff to attend to an ethics briefing like one he said he attended last week."

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"In an attempt to deliver on pledges of a transparent government, Obama said he would change the way the federal government interprets the Freedom of Information Act. He said he was directing agencies that vet requests for information to err on the side of making information public — not to look for reasons to legally withhold it — an alteration to the traditional standard of evaluation. Just because a government agency has the legal power to keep information private does not mean that it should, Obama said. Reporters and public-interest groups often make use of the law to explore how and why government decisions were made; they are often stymied as agencies claim legal exemptions to the law."

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=azQJo_wu7f64

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"As part of the transition, Obama last night ordered federal agencies to hold off on pending regulations made in the last days of the Bush administration. The order blocks proposals including those to ease emission requirements for factories and require some foods to be labeled by country of origin. The administration also sought a 120-day pause in military war-crimes tribunals of suspected terrorists detained at Guantanamo Bay Naval Base, Cuba. Obama has vowed to close the facility and revamp the system for holding and trying enemy combatants. "

Can keep up with Executive Orders here
http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing_room/executive_orders/

and hopefully this will start beign updated with daily news
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/

I assume this will be a record of the press briefings
http://www.whitehouse.gov/pool/

1/21/2009 4:32:20 PM

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"as long as i got this guy on the rails, its an accomplishment"

true story, obama has this thread in his

1/22/2009 3:07:47 AM

I just learned about Larry Summers. His speech suggesting women are underrepresented in science mainly because of differences in innate ability, his dubious record on economic issues. Wow. Obama sure knows how to pick 'em, huh?

1/26/2009 6:26:57 PM