This is seriously un-Fucking-believable.

supposedly this all started b.c some guys cunt of a daughter went unconscious while drinking sparks b.c she couldn't handle her alcohol.

PLEASE GOV'T PLEASE SAVE ME FROM MYSELF SO THAT I DON:T GET SUPER DRUNK BY MIXING MY CAFFEINE AND ALCOHOL.








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12/18/2008 6:25:34 PM

http://www.cspiscam.com/

12/18/2008 6:30:00 PM

a) I can understand banning a substance designed to allow you to become more intoxicated before passing out. It has an inherently dangerous purpose.

b) Dude. Sparks is an abomination. Were to sad to hear that they discontinued Zima, too?

12/18/2008 6:52:03 PM

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"a) I can understand banning a substance designed to allow you to become more intoxicated before passing out. It has an inherently dangerous purpose."

how about people showing some personnel responsibility and stop crying to the gov't when they do something that hurts themselves.

12/18/2008 7:07:17 PM

Its only purpose is to create dangerous decisions. There's literally no other reason to have caffeinated beer than to push binging beyond typical limits.


Plus-- IT'S SPARKS. ADDRESS ARGUMENT B, PLZ.

12/18/2008 7:11:39 PM

^ So is there some compelling force that is preventing people from exercising their ability to judge that requires the government to step in and ban it?

Further, can we also assume that Irish Coffee, Rum and Coke and other stimulant + alcoholic drink combinations have no other purpose other than to push binging beyond its typical limits?

[Edited on December 18, 2008 at 7:25 PM. Reason : asdf]

12/18/2008 7:24:47 PM

wow, the red bull and vodka lobbyists must be pretty powerful

12/18/2008 7:59:24 PM

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"Sprinkle said that on the night of July 20, his 23-year-old daughter, Amanda, drank half a can of orange-flavored Sparks, an alcoholic energy drink made by MillerCoors, at their Wiggins Mill Road home then suddenly collapsed at her computer desk. "

Riiiiiight. I'm sure that was all that happened.

12/18/2008 8:17:51 PM

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"Its only purpose is to create dangerous decisions. There's literally no other reason to have caffeinated beer than to push binging beyond typical limits."

maybe i want a little caffeine after a hard days work and wanting to go out and drink that night. Instead of getting a red bull/coffee/caffeine pill w/ my 6-pack of beer i could just get sparks

12/18/2008 8:51:14 PM

you got stock in Coors Brewing Co. dont you?

because i damn sure cant think of any other reason why you're crying like a little girl about sparks.

12/18/2008 9:54:59 PM

he might be crying b/c the government is sticking its nose where it doesn't need to be.

who needs personal responsibility anyway?

12/18/2008 9:58:45 PM

I've never had it, but before the state takes away Sparks, I'd like a little more information about Amanda Sprinkle.

Has she passed out before while drinking alcohol? Is she especially affected by either caffeine or alcohol? Was she taking any other medication at the time? How much sleep had she been getting lately?

I'm sure the fine folks at Sparks have their lawyers preparing.

12/18/2008 10:11:40 PM

^^ oh, please. go cry about it on your Ayn Rand discussion board with the rest of your unwashed social misfit friends.

it aint the fucking 18th century any longer. we've got a highly urbanized nation of 300 Million, and the FDA's mission is to protect us by shutting down all purveyors of toxic products and other assorted snakeoil medicine hacks. Now i admit, they dont do a consistent job of it, but hell they're trying.

and next they should go after that Peanut Butter and Jelly mixture that squeezes out of a bottle. that shit's an abomination.




[Edited on December 18, 2008 at 10:14 PM. Reason : ^]

12/18/2008 10:12:32 PM

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"he might be crying b/c the government is sticking its nose where it doesn't need to be. who needs personal responsibility anyway?"

damn right



^ you got to be fucking kidding me

12/18/2008 10:15:11 PM

no im dead serious.

that premixed PBJ junk is straight up nasty

12/18/2008 10:17:29 PM

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"^^ oh, please. go cry about it on your Ayn Rand discussion board with the rest of your unwashed social misfit friends."

I don't even know what this means. But I love that I'm under your skin b/c you go nuts every time I post.

12/18/2008 10:55:27 PM

hooksaw has, apparently, left me

so you're my new beau. i hope you like bottom

12/18/2008 10:58:54 PM

I do! Less physical exertion.

12/18/2008 11:01:35 PM

^^ Don't lie to that boy. You know you were always catching.

12/19/2008 1:31:12 AM

this is modern day fascism

12/19/2008 1:34:08 AM

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"the FDA's mission is to protect us by shutting down all purveyors of toxic products and other assorted snakeoil medicine hacks."

Alcohol is, without doubt, a toxic, addictive substance that will fucking kill you. Under the right circumstances, at least. Ditto caffeine.

There is no viable reason for this substance to be made illegal. It can be approximately replicated with any other combination of alcohol and caffeine.

Of course, I don't know. At this point it's hard to tell whether or not you're being serious anymore.

Still and all, I'm a man with some scientific background. And I believe that any human being who cannot handle half a can of orange Sparks without dying is someone that has been naturally selected to die, thereby sparing the human gene pool of her pathetically weak toleration for two chemicals that are not only common in human society, but also in nature.

12/19/2008 4:33:44 AM

Next thing you know they are going to ban bars from mixing red bull and vodka.....

12/19/2008 5:36:15 AM

^which still hasn't been addressed by these proponents of banning sparks.

12/19/2008 10:38:49 AM

Probably b/c Red Bull has really good lobbiests. That company is crazy rich with billions in profits every year.

12/19/2008 10:41:25 AM

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"Drinkers of caffeinated alcoholic drinks are more likely to binge drink, ride with an intoxicated driver, become injured, or be taken advantage of sexually than drinkers of non-caffeinated alcoholic drinks, according to a 2007 study conducted at Wake Forest University. ..."

Correlation MUST equal causation here.

It's caffeine. Big whoop. These are probably the same people that were drinking rum & coke a their holiday party; not even realizing that a few rum & cokes has the same amount of caffeine and more alcohol than a can of Sparks.

I've only had it once. Didn't care for it and didn't plan to ever buy it again. Still, I think taking something off the market because it has caffeine is pretty lame. Most Americans probably have daily exposure to caffeine through coffee, soft drinks, chocolate, etc. It's pretty far fetched to make it out to be such a dangerous thing when we sell it to kids via vending machines in their schools.

12/19/2008 10:52:30 AM

I didn't realy see where it said Sparks was/will be banned...from what i gathered it just says the guy is trying to get it banned:

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"Sprinkle has been unsuccessfully trying to organize a class action lawsuit against MillerCoors for producing Sparks"

it'll never happen.

12/19/2008 10:53:33 AM

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""Drinkers of caffeinated alcoholic drinks are more likely to binge drink, ride with an intoxicated driver, become injured, or be taken advantage of sexually than drinkers of non-caffeinated alcoholic drinks, according to a 2007 study conducted at Wake Forest University. ...""

mostly likely because people who drink heavily caffeinated alcoholic beverages are also heavier drinkers with riskier personalities, which could lead to those more dangerous actions above. your casual drinker isn't really downing two or three grey goose and vodkas.

12/19/2008 10:57:53 AM

^^ They are removing it from teh shelves end of year. Due to a court settlement with the DAs of 13 states.

12/19/2008 11:29:59 AM

Given that she only drank half a can (supposedly), either the girl has got some sort of extreme medical problem, or they're lying about how much she had to drink...

Either way, it's not the fault of MillerCoors, unless there was something unusual in that can that should not have made it through quality control. In any case, there is no need at all to ban the drink.

12/19/2008 11:32:14 AM

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"[MillerCoors and Anheuser-Busch] are removing [Sparks and Tilt] from the shelves end of year...Due to a court settlement with the DAs of 13 states"

...nice to see the free market in action


There are some good points in chitchat (and plenty of bad, of course)
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[Edited on December 19, 2008 at 12:16 PM. Reason : ]

12/19/2008 12:14:11 PM

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"Next thing you know they are going to ban bars from mixing red bull and vodka..... ^which still hasn't been addressed by these proponents of banning sparks."

because the first instance is two separate, legal beverages. the individual companies are not mixing them. you have to go out of your way to mix them yourself.

the second instance is a pre-mixed singly-packaged beverage advertised as safe, when in fact it isn't.

12/19/2008 12:49:56 PM

If they ban fruit loops, the bloodiest civil war shall begin.

[Edited on December 19, 2008 at 12:51 PM. Reason : -]

12/19/2008 12:51:20 PM

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"Due to a court settlement with the DAs of 13 states"

Don't the DAs have something better to do?

Also, I'd like to see a list of which DAs are included in this decision. Let me know if any of ya'll find one.

12/19/2008 1:44:52 PM

So they're taking it off the shelf in those states, or all together?

a hate the stuff, but this is alarming.

12/19/2008 2:34:43 PM

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"because the first instance is two separate, legal beverages. the individual companies are not mixing them. you have to go out of your way to mix them yourself. the second instance is a pre-mixed singly-packaged beverage advertised as safe, when in fact it isn't"

1. yes, one has to go out of their way to mix those things themselves, but does that really provide enough distinction where one should be legal and the other not? If you think so, then why? If your concern is the safety of what is being served then bars should not be allowed to pre-mix those two items and serve it as a whole if they're that unsafe as a cocktail. i may get kicks from drinking champagne and cyanide but that doesn't mean i can order it at the bar.


2. no alcoholic beverage is ever advertised as safe. this is why they have so many warnings on it. cigarettes are not advertised as safe and are proven to kill, should we ban those? we have less actual proof that sparks alone can kill someone, yet you promote its being removed from the shelves. Rat did a more convincing job at trolling.

12/19/2008 2:43:55 PM

it's not advertised as safe, at least certainly not as any more or less safe than non-caffeinated alcohol products. i haven't read studies that establish any causal relationships, but I can't imagine there being a severe enough synergy between caffeine and alcohol that would make Sparks any more dangerous by volume than other, *exceedingly common*, mixed drinks which contain both. It's not like we're selling a drink that mixes alcohol and painkillers.

And just for the record, there have been caffeinated and alcoholic energy drinks for years. Red Square was a drink introduced back around 2002 that was designed to taste and act just like a prepackaged Red Bull and vodka; I remember drinking them back when I lived in England, but I'm pretty sure they were also sold in the states at some point? So I don't see any reason to target this particular Sparks brand of product.

[Edited on December 19, 2008 at 4:05 PM. Reason : ]

12/19/2008 4:05:31 PM

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"cigarettes are not advertised as safe and are proven to kill, should we ban those?"

of course.

but we wont, because of all the tax revenue it brings the states.

i'm not trolling. mixing stimulants with a central nervous system depressant? hell yeah, the stuff is unsafe. the FDA's mission is to regulate food and drugs, to put the lockdown on whatever products are dangerous or adulterated.

the problem is that the FDA operates in the fashion of a shotgun. and you can further avoid the FDA by having high-caliber lobbyists and lawyers.

I'm not saying its necessarily right, just explaining how it is.

12/19/2008 6:48:54 PM

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"i'm not trolling. mixing stimulants with a central nervous system depressant? hell yeah, the stuff is unsafe. the FDA's mission is to regulate food and drugs, to put the lockdown on whatever products are dangerous or adulterated."

So is mixing bleach with kitchen and bathroom cleaners. Yet we don't need a law to protect us from this, amazingly enough.

12/19/2008 7:10:18 PM

^^

We should ban cigarettes? Seriously?

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"Dude. Sparks is an abomination. Were to sad to hear that they discontinued Zima, too?"

Yes but p.i.n.k (caffeine and guarana vodka) is good; I'm sure it'll be next on the hit list.

Man, nanny state indeed -- more like the nun state. Geez. Maybe Serious Liberal Barack Obama will start a U.S. Fun Bureau to determine which forms of fun, exactly, are acceptable for society. Then we can answer the question once and for all.

12/19/2008 7:52:08 PM

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"i'm not trolling. mixing stimulants with a central nervous system depressant? hell yeah, the stuff is unsafe. the FDA's mission is to regulate food and drugs, to put the lockdown on whatever products are dangerous or adulterated."

So when does the FDA step in a stop all the bars from selling rum and cokes? Or any of the drinks listed here http://www.idrink.com/viewingrecipe.html?ingid=35 and here http://www.idrink.com/viewingrecipe.html?ingid=30 or here http://www.idrink.com/viewingrecipe.html?ingid=171

Are all of these drinks dangerous and unsafe (above and beyond consuming alcohol in the first place) and requiring government regulation?

12/19/2008 7:55:21 PM

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"So is mixing bleach with kitchen and bathroom cleaners. Yet we don't need a law to protect us from this, amazingly enough."

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"So when does the FDA step in a stop all the bars from selling rum and cokes? Or any of the drinks listed here: <drink mix links>"

i swear to god some of you people have reading comprehension problems

my point -- which you both are attempting to disagree with in a very poor manner -- is that you can mix the shit your damn self all you want, but the government is saying you cant premix it in a single dangerous package and sell it as a beverage.

what's so hard about this, that you cant understand the basic concept?

12/20/2008 12:41:09 AM

^ your point is quite clear, its just weak. When you get a rum and coke at the bar the bartender is mixing it, not you. Banning Sparks and then letting bars sell rum and coke (and other mixed drinks) is almost as stupid as the idea of banning Sparks in the first place.

As far as this crap about Sparks being harmful, I'd like to see some more data on that. One girl drinking half a can of Sparks and nearly killing over isn't sufficient evidence. Hell, if we should ban a substance just because it can harm one person, then we need to go ahead and ban peanuts, shellfish, and anything else someone might be allergic to. Why don't we just ban food all together and everyone get their nutrients through IV solutions.

12/20/2008 2:02:03 AM

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"i swear to god some of you people have reading comprehension problems"

The irony of this statement coming from you of all people is simply appalling. Then again, your incomprehension is simply willful most of the time.

Quote :

"my point -- which you both are attempting to disagree with in a very poor manner -- is that you can mix the shit your damn self all you want, but the government is saying you cant premix it in a single dangerous package and sell it as a beverage. what's so hard about this, that you cant understand the basic concept?"

That it's completely idiotic? That such drinks are a natural evolution of demand that started when people noticed that mixing stimulants with alcohol has a useful effect for their choice of drinking behavior? That people are still going to do this manually?

So, unless we're out to pass a law banning anyone from mixing caffeine with alcohol (in all its insidious forms), the measure is useless, unnecessary, and frankly, stupid.

12/20/2008 2:29:59 AM

diet coke =/= energy drink

12/20/2008 2:38:45 AM

^^couldn't agree more!

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"the second instance is a pre-mixed singly-packaged beverage advertised as safe, when in fact it isn't."

Wow really? I'm pretty sure its safe enough.

12/20/2008 3:03:34 AM

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"Talage: When you get a rum and coke at the bar the bartender is mixing it, not you. "

ignoring the fact that Coke != RedBull-type-energy drinks... as far as the FDA is concerned whether you do it or someone does it for you is the same thing: its not their jurisdiction. The point where the FDA becomes concerned, is when it starts being bottled and labelled and placed for sale on supermarket shelves.

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"SteveChaos: The irony of this statement coming from you of all people is simply appalling. "

appalling? gee, drama queen much? coming from a grad student running around calling himself "Dr. Steve", yet doesn't have the slightest clue as to what the primary mission of the FDA is ... you're not even credible enough to be "appalling"

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"TKE-Teg: I'm pretty sure its safe enough"

yeah ..... im just gonna leave that one lay where it is.





[Edited on December 20, 2008 at 4:13 AM. Reason : ]

12/20/2008 4:09:41 AM

BAN KAHLÚA!!!!!







[Edited on December 20, 2008 at 8:50 AM. Reason : ......]

12/20/2008 8:49:49 AM

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"appalling? gee, drama queen much? coming from a grad student running around calling himself "Dr. Steve", yet doesn't have the slightest clue as to what the primary mission of the FDA is ... you're not even credible enough to be "appalling""

Haha, wow you turn into a catty little priss whenever you get proven wrong a point. Menopause setting in there, old woman?

12/20/2008 9:45:11 AM

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"is that you can mix the shit your damn self all you want, but the government is saying you cant premix it in a single dangerous package and sell it as a beverage."

whose to say this is any more dangerous than half the other shit people consume or ingest....

i like how cool you are to have the gov't hold your hand and nanny you throughout life to ensure u don't ever scratch your knee

12/20/2008 11:50:32 AM

Has anyone found a complete list of those responsible for this?


And how about ^^^?

12/20/2008 12:01:34 PM