At the beginning of the movie we see Doc get shot and Marty gets in the DeLorean and goes back to 1955.

At the end of the movie he comes back to the future early to save Doc from getting shot, but is too late. He also sees himself getting in the DeLorean and going to 1955.

Does that mean that the Marty going back to 1955 has to repeat the whole "save the parents" ordeal all over again?

1/10/2009 1:57:51 PM

k

1/10/2009 1:58:09 PM

yes

1/10/2009 1:58:17 PM

:carlface:

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1/10/2009 1:58:27 PM

its part of history now

its already been done

1/10/2009 1:59:52 PM

So at the beginning of the movie when Doc got shot and Marty went back to the past that there was another Marty who just got back from 1955 watching from afar?

1/10/2009 2:01:41 PM

yes

1/10/2009 2:03:29 PM

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"Does that mean that the Marty going back to 1955 has to repeat the whole "save the parents" ordeal all over again?"

he wouldnt be doing it "again" per say(lol)

[Edited on January 10, 2009 at 2:05 PM. Reason : what dweedle said]

1/10/2009 2:05:05 PM

yes

1/10/2009 2:06:34 PM

In Back to the Future III - Doc in 1885 needs to fix the DeLorean but he doesn't have the needed parts, so he stores it in a cave and writes the letter to Marty.

In 1955 Marty and 1955 Doc get it out of the cave, fix it, and Marty takes it back to 1885. In 1885 the Indian arrow causes the gas leak which creates the whole getting back to the future plot.

But there is still the other DeLorean in 1885 that Doc either is trying to fix or has recently put in the cave - they can just use the gas from that one.

1/10/2009 2:09:58 PM

hmmm never thought of it like that but thats true

1/10/2009 2:12:08 PM

I saw a DeLorean in Winston yesterday, it was pretty beat up

1/10/2009 2:12:29 PM

did it have a mr. fusion

1/10/2009 2:13:59 PM

yes, but did it have a flux capacitor?

1/10/2009 2:14:19 PM

Dude was looking through trashcans for banana peels and beer cans

1/10/2009 2:15:20 PM

my favorite Back to the Future thread is when vinylbandit was complaining about how you shouldn't be able to hear an un-mic'd saxophone over a 1950's guitar. Cause he could buy all that time travel stuff, but wrong acoustics is just plain silly.

1/10/2009 2:15:35 PM

"your daughter marries a BLACK man!"

1/10/2009 2:16:09 PM

^^^hahahahahahha

[Edited on January 10, 2009 at 2:16 PM. Reason : .]

1/10/2009 2:16:23 PM

did you add more ha's in the edit?

1/10/2009 2:16:57 PM

lol yea..."hahah" just wasnt enough

cause thats like "hah"-"ah" or "ha"-"hah"...idk just doesnt sound right

1/10/2009 2:18:05 PM

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"they can just use the gas from that one."

wow

you have just beat hollywood

i'm being totally serious here; normally when people make comments like that, i think there has to be a logical way around it

but no, you're definitely right

man, i always like BTTFIII, but now....

dammit

Quote :

"88 MPH MACGUFFIN"

1/10/2009 2:29:23 PM

im wondering in my head how old that gas has to be

1/10/2009 2:30:39 PM

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"In Back to the Future III - Doc in 1885 needs to fix the DeLorean but he doesn't have the needed parts, so he stores it in a cave and writes the letter to Marty. In 1955 Marty and 1955 Doc get it out of the cave, fix it, and Marty takes it back to 1885. In 1885 the Indian arrow causes the gas leak which creates the whole getting back to the future plot. But there is still the other DeLorean in 1885 that Doc either is trying to fix or has recently put in the cave - they can just use the gas from that one."

Yeah, I have also thought of that before.

not only that, but gasoline existed in 1885. It was sold as a cleaning agent in like every general store in the world.

1/10/2009 2:39:17 PM

a few weeks?

http://www.mjyoung.net/time/back3.html
this is the most amazing look @ BTTF3 i've ever seen

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" In the second major timeline, the only things which are different which matter to us is that there is a tombstone for Doc Brown not far from the cave in which the time machine is hidden, and that Clayton Ravine does not have that name. This is a flaw that the movie overlooks. Marty should not know the name of Clayton Ravine, nor the story which accompanies it, because at the moment that Doc gets hit by lightning, Marty's entire history shifts to this second timeline. "

clara died because doc wasn't in the timeline to pick her up, but clara doesn't die in the timeline that marty doesn't return to because doc does pick her up, and she also doesn't die in the marty affected timeline because marty's cool like that, but the name would have already changed in marty's timeline because that story (which he witnesses) wouldn't have happened, because clearly doc saved her before marty went back in time - she's the one who stayed with him after he was shot and she's the one who put up the tombstone that sent marty back to the past... dammit

shit is making my brain hurt

fuck you, zemeckus

1/10/2009 2:42:42 PM

Dude
Steenbergen looked awesome in StepBros

1/10/2009 2:49:32 PM

=/

1/10/2009 2:51:46 PM

up until the point marty/doc save clara, it should be named after clara...then marty and doc save her, so obviously it wouldnt be named after her...instead they thought marty was awesome, so they named it "eastwood revine" and then when marty goes back to normal times it would have eastwood revine

i dont see the confusion

1/10/2009 2:55:20 PM

"THE DAY IM CORRECTED BY A RETA----" [/tww]

1/10/2009 3:00:15 PM

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"up until the point marty/doc save clara,"

clara needs saving because doc isn't there -> doc is there (and only doc), he picks up clara, they become lovers, doc is shot -> marty comes back, distracts doc, they don't pick up clara, clara needs saving

in the middle timeline, which would be the temporal reality marty grew up with AFTER THE LIGHTNING STRIKE, clara is alive, she is the one who was with doc when he died

marty should not know the name of the ravine, and certainly wouldn't know the story

[Edited on January 10, 2009 at 3:01 PM. Reason : go to that link i posted yo]

1/10/2009 3:00:21 PM

He's a smart kid. He hangs out with a fuckin' scientist!

1/10/2009 3:01:20 PM

so thats why my spell checker wouldnt fix ravine

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"clara needs saving because doc isn't there -> doc is there (and only doc), he picks up clara, they become lovers, doc is shot -> marty comes back, distracts doc, they don't pick up clara, clara needs saving "

makes no sense to me at all...i dont even get what you are saying with this

[Edited on January 10, 2009 at 3:04 PM. Reason : i'll post in parenthesis my thinking... one sec]

clara needs saving because doc isn't there(agreed...why its called clayton ravine) -> doc is there (and only doc), he picks up clara(so its not going to be named clayton ravine anymore, they become lovers, doc is shot(yeah they become lovers but when is doc shot?) -> marty comes back(came back before doc saved clara right?), distracts doc(obviously), they don't pick up clara(but they do save clara), clara needs saving(why it shouldnt have the clayton ravine name anyway)

[Edited on January 10, 2009 at 3:08 PM. Reason : .]

1/10/2009 3:03:48 PM

UNALTERED TIMELINE: clara has nobody to pick her up
tries to drive a carriage
fuckin' dies in the ravine

TIMELINE 1 - THE TIMELINE THAT BECOMES REALITY THE MOMENT DOC IS STRUCK BY LIGHTNING IN BTTF2:
clara has doc to pick her up
clara doesn't die
clara becomes doc's lover
clara erects the tombstone for Doc that marty finds
clara is therefore a primary reason marty comes back in time, i.e., IN NO WAY COULD CLARA HAVE DIED IN THE STORY MARTY TOLD

TIMELINE 3 - THE TIMELINE THAT BECOMES REALITY THE MOMENT MARTY RETURNS TO THE PAST
clara has nobody to pick her up because marty is distracting doc
tries to drive a carriage
fuckin' dies in the ravine doc and marty save her because they are investigating ways to get marty home
marty remembers a story about how she was supposed to die - WHICH HE COULD NOT HAVE KNOWN IN THE SAME REALITY HE FINDS OUT DOC IS SHOT DEAD

i can't make it any less confusing for you, i'm sorry

1/10/2009 3:10:24 PM

Maybe Doc forgets about it anyway

[Edited on January 10, 2009 at 3:12 PM. Reason : And someone else erects the tombstone]

1/10/2009 3:11:50 PM

this shit is getting borderline soap box material

1/10/2009 3:12:48 PM

nah, he doesn't forget

clara is with him while he's dying

in Timeline 2, clara is not killed falling into a ravine

[Edited on January 10, 2009 at 3:14 PM. Reason : lol soap box]

1/10/2009 3:13:36 PM

does it state that clara erected the tombstones?

1/10/2009 3:17:12 PM

perhaps she drives a carriage into the ravine on purpose as the result of doc's death?

1/10/2009 3:18:20 PM

clara erected doc brown's tombstone

1/10/2009 3:18:29 PM

and? That's meaningless. She makes his tombstone, lasts a couple day in depression, and says fuck it and goes down the ravine.

1/10/2009 3:20:05 PM

but what if he learned about the story before he found out it had changed?...u cant just erase knowledge

1/10/2009 3:20:48 PM

i dont think you catch my drift

1/10/2009 3:20:55 PM

I catch your drift dweedle

I like where your head's at

1/10/2009 3:22:55 PM

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"but what if he learned about the story before he found out it had changed?...u cant just erase knowledge"

THE TIMELINE IS SHIFTED THE MOMENT DOC BEGINS EXISTING IN 1855

THERE IS NO WAY MARTY CAN HAVE MEMORIES BEFORE 1855

IF THIS MOVIE SERIES WANTS TO BE TRUE TO TIME TRAVEL, THERE IS NO WAY MARTY CAN KNOW IT AS "CLAYTON RAVINE" LET ALONE TELL THE STORY HE TELLS ABOUT CLAYTON RAVINE

GOOD GRIEF ITS NOT THAT HARD OK

1/10/2009 3:25:56 PM

because marty has taken himself out of the timeline, he is aware of both of them. when he gets back in part 1 and everything is changed, he's still aware of the previous timeline, but he is also aware of the new one.

this explains why he remembers clayton ravine (which still exists in both of the timelines, before bttf3)

1/10/2009 3:32:14 PM

they should make another one thats more like turtles in time

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1/10/2009 3:33:27 PM

i saw the Michelangelo suit at the american history museum yesterday

[sorry tww, he isn't real]

1/10/2009 3:34:40 PM

1/10/2009 3:34:45 PM

sometimes i wonder how the world would be if i could take like laptops and shit back to george washingtons times with like an ak 47 with unlimited bullets

1/10/2009 3:34:57 PM

your laptop would last about 3 hrs

and your bullets would run out soon

oh you said unlimited bullets...nevermind

[Edited on January 10, 2009 at 3:36 PM. Reason : ]

1/10/2009 3:36:03 PM

People wouldn't fade out of photographs slowly as the prospects of their existing faded either, obviously this takes place in a world where changing the past works differently than it might in our world if time travel was possible in reality, which it isn't.

[Edited on January 10, 2009 at 3:36 PM. Reason : -]

1/10/2009 3:36:14 PM