Lets not kid ourselves, no one really knows who Obama really is. He ran on very vague feel good notions, "Hope", "Change", "Yes We Can". In doing so everyone projected their own meanings of those platitudes on him. Although few know what hope and change really mean other than anti-Bush. He has been very light on specifics. Also, the cult of personality around him is a bit scary since no one really knows who he is, and expectations of him are so high. Should be an interesting 4 years

1/20/2009 4:21:08 PM

what novel and insightful information.

1/20/2009 4:26:46 PM

just because you didn't bother to look into it doesn't mean that obama didn't lay out many policy specifics that went beyond political speeches. will things change once these ideas are filtered through congress? of course. but to claim that somehow he is an empty vessel is intellectually lazy.

did obama capitalize on people attaching their own beliefs onto things he has never stood for? yes, of course. but that was a political move that any presidential candidate must do to get through our ridiculously stupid electoral and primary/caucus system.

oh yeah and ibtl. there are lots of threads this could go in.

1/20/2009 4:27:34 PM

i looked into him a lot, for the record

1/20/2009 4:35:40 PM

Lets not kid ourselves, had John McCain won the election this thread would have been titled

McCain: A Sinking Ship

1/20/2009 4:36:20 PM

Hey guys, I'm going to complain about people projecting their own views onto Barack Obama and, in doing so, project my own ignorance, insecurities, racism, and insecurity in the exact same way.

1/20/2009 4:36:41 PM

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"Lets not kid ourselves, no one really knows who Obama really is. He ran on very vague feel good notions, "Hope", "Change", "Yes We Can". In doing so everyone projected their own meanings of those platitudes on him"

You're kidding yourself.

You can't project your own interpretation (or lack thereof) on to what Obama said.

Obama portrayed who he was quite clearly, I think, it is your failing that you can't see that.

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"Lets not kid ourselves, had John McCain won the election this thread would have been titled McCain: A Sinking Ship "

The majority of people here liked McCain (a lot). It was his choice of Palin and embracing JtP in order to win over the neocon-right that scared a lot of people off.

[Edited on January 20, 2009 at 4:41 PM. Reason : ]

1/20/2009 4:39:21 PM

sarijoul let me know when the majority of people are attacking Obama so I can come in here and defend his policies...for now I think other people (the majority of people) have that under control

1/20/2009 4:57:01 PM

suprised that you aren't shaming republican18 into supporting our president.

1/20/2009 5:01:21 PM

i learned that that doesnt work

if it did, you and many others would have actually supported president bush

1/20/2009 5:03:41 PM

you've conveniently given up at the exact moment bush left office

damn

1/20/2009 5:34:11 PM

i conveniently gave up about 6 months ago

1/20/2009 5:37:00 PM

[Edited on January 20, 2009 at 5:39 PM. Reason : ]

1/20/2009 5:38:32 PM

yes, folks, our self-appointed defender of all that is righteous and true. champion of the underdog. gallant knight supporting freedom and the American Way.

Sir Twistalot

is just taking a break from his quest to Defend Barack, since all of us lesser mortals have got it covered for the time being

1/20/2009 5:39:01 PM

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"Hey guys, I'm going to complain about people projecting their own views onto Barack Obama and, in doing so, project my own ignorance, insecurities, racism, and insecurity in the exact same way."

/thread (and a shitty one at that)

1/20/2009 5:42:44 PM

I've been thinking about these flags with The Chosen One's face printed on them. Are they a result of disrespect for the flag or ignorance?

1/20/2009 5:57:12 PM

^gtfo, guy




[Edited on January 20, 2009 at 6:10 PM. Reason : .]

1/20/2009 6:08:41 PM

^ It's actually illegal to wear the flag too.

1/20/2009 6:11:21 PM

yeah, i can't recall this guy shitting the bed about that though

1/20/2009 6:14:16 PM

To borrow a term from Rush Limbaugh, it's Obama Hussein Derangement Syndrome

[Edited on January 20, 2009 at 6:15 PM. Reason : ]

1/20/2009 6:15:29 PM

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"Obama Hussein Derangement Syndrome"

1/20/2009 6:18:40 PM

^^^ Who is that anyway?

1/20/2009 6:19:47 PM

I can't figure out if it's liberals or conservatives who are supposed to have Obama Hussein Derangement Syndrome.


Both have been going crazy in very different ways over the last few weeks. One group thinks it's the second coming of jesus christ and the other thinks it's the apocalypse (so these idiots start stupid threads about it).

1/20/2009 6:23:36 PM

I think it's a bipartisan problem. Just like an Obama administration will be a national problem. He is a very poor choice for president, but it won't be the end of the world. If he makes a mess, we'll just have to clean it up and move on.

1/20/2009 6:25:37 PM

^ do you think an Obama administration will be better or worse than the Bush administration?

1/20/2009 6:31:20 PM

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"One group thinks it's the second coming of jesus christ and the other thinks it's the apocalypse"

wouldn't that be one in the same? you know, if you buy into that whole thing

[Edited on January 20, 2009 at 6:33 PM. Reason : .]

1/20/2009 6:31:33 PM

double

[Edited on January 20, 2009 at 6:59 PM. Reason : +]

1/20/2009 6:31:44 PM

according to the "bootstrap theory" it doesn't matter who the president is

1/20/2009 6:32:09 PM

To all the Obamatrons and supporters its different when the shoe is on the other foot.

Most of the people in this thread spent the last 8 years criticizing every little thing Bush did and some of you are still bitter over the 2000 election (Bush won by the way even with liberals doing their unofficial recounts after the fact) So now you get angry when people challenge what Obama wants to do.

Some of the things he wants to do will help but lets be honest a majority of the voters didn't know his stance on issues outside of soundbites and what CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC would tell them. I hope he helps this country but I am leery to get behind him on every thing he does. I am tired of people that say if you criticize him your racist or part of the problem. Were you part of the problem when you were criticizing Bush. Just because he has a darker skin tone does not make him infallible. He is going to make mistakes hes human. The difference being that when he makes mistakes the media won't go and try to make a mountain out of a mole hill.

1/20/2009 7:10:07 PM

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"what novel and insightful information."

1/20/2009 7:14:36 PM

lol

he didn't say "yes we can" at all in the address

and he said "hope" and "change" less than 3 times each during the address (which is impressive considering the very nature of change inherent with an inauguration)

so why don't you take the main point of your thesis and shove it up your ass

ps - how does it feel to be in the "vast minority"

1/20/2009 7:20:03 PM

The thing that gets me the most is just the sheer dis-respect liberals have shown to Bush, even as he is leaving office.....And Im not a Bush fan nor did I ever vote for him....but Im still offended by the disrespect. I will be very critical of Obama because I disagree with his policies, but Im not going to attack him personally. The liberal dis-respect towards Bush was just pretty atrocious in my opinion. Liberals saying "now we finally have a president" or just otherwise showing how classless they can be

1/20/2009 7:23:18 PM

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"Politicians Obama: An Empty Vessel"

fixd it

1/20/2009 7:29:44 PM

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"but Im not going to attack him personally."

Quote :

"Obama: An Empty Vessel "

?

so what you're saying is

you don't understand how people can disrespect a president who has 8 years of fuck-ups, botched shit, and a legacy barely better than Warren G Harding's (if that)

but you don't mind blatantly talking shit about a president who has less than 8 hours of presidency behind him

[Edited on January 20, 2009 at 7:36 PM. Reason : `]

1/20/2009 7:30:17 PM

calling him an empty vessel is not a personal attack, it is an observation of how he ran his campaign

1/20/2009 7:33:12 PM

and calling bush an utter fuck up and a bumbling moron is not a personal attack, just an observation of how he ran his government

1/20/2009 7:34:59 PM

Remember, every fault Bush had (and there were many) is grounds for attack, but St. Barry cannot be questioned. You must bow down to the Dear Leader.

1/20/2009 7:35:15 PM

Quote :

"8 HOUR PRESIDENCY"

1/20/2009 7:36:44 PM

I don't understand, are Republicans FOR taking responsibility for your actions, or against it?

1/20/2009 7:38:41 PM

Conservatives are for it, but the Republicans lately have not held up conservative principles at all.

1/20/2009 7:48:12 PM

all i want to know is, where do i have my health insurance bill forwarded

1/20/2009 7:50:37 PM

you don't need health insurance any more. The anointed one will eliminate sickness.

1/20/2009 7:54:16 PM

like he eliminated the stock market? does that mean i dont need a 401k

[Edited on January 20, 2009 at 7:56 PM. Reason : save me tom cruise, i mean social security]

1/20/2009 7:55:01 PM

you can expect the value of your 401k to triple or maybe even more as soon as he magically fixes the economy by spending even more billions of dollars that we don't have.

1/20/2009 7:57:23 PM

http://www.whitehouse.gov/

The page has been updated. Some of his unclear positions (like gay marriage) have been elaborated on there. Apparently, he's balls-out for gay rights, supporting ending DOMA,supporting federal civil unions, as well as federal protections for sexual orientation.

1/20/2009 8:11:35 PM

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"The liberal dis-respect towards Bush was just pretty atrocious in my opinion. "

I agree. Having a 30ft inflatable Bush doll and then encouraging passerbys to throw shoes at it on the Capitol mall was pretty lame. Booing him and singing "Na Na" was childish.

I didn't want Obama to win. But I salute our country's ability to elect a minority member to the highest gov't position.

He has a tough job. He and his people have ginned up a lot of expectations over the past two years. I hope he's a fast learner. I hope he doesn't pull the country too far into socialism.
And I hope the democrats lose Congress in 2 years.

1/20/2009 8:12:06 PM

lol

earthdogg just used "hope" more times than obama did in the inaugural address

1/20/2009 8:13:30 PM

^ lol

hope is such a horrible thing to have, isn't it?

1/20/2009 8:15:44 PM

the response is that it's empty rhetoric with out cohesive plan

but i'm not worried about it

cause al qaeda is on the run, freedom is on the march and we're turning the corner

1/20/2009 8:19:12 PM

^ Obama's positions were spelled out at least as clearly, if not more-so thanks to the Internet, as past candidates. It's empty rhetoric to continually assert that Obama is nothing but empty rhetoric.

In any case, http://www.whitehouse.gov/ has been updated, with Obama's positions on things.

1/20/2009 8:26:57 PM