http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2009/bills/SB126_.htm

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"Report Title: Dangerous Weapons; Pocket Knives; Sale Description: Prohibits sale of pocket knives. Defines pocket knife. THE SENATE TWENTY-FIFTH LEGISLATURE, 2009 STATE OF HAWAII S.B. NO. 126 A BILL FOR AN ACT RELATING TO DANGEROUS WEAPONS. BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF HAWAII: SECTION 1. Chapter 134, Hawaii Revised Statutes, is amended by adding a new section to part III to be appropriately designated and to read as follows: "§134- Pocket knives; sale prohibited; penalty. Any person who knowingly manufactures, sells, transfers, possesses, or transports a pocket knife in the State shall be guilty of a misdemeanor. As used in this section: "Pocket knife" means a knife with a blade that folds into the handle and which is suitable for carrying in the pocket." SECTION 2. Upon the effective date of this Act, no person shall import or manufacture pocket knives into the State for the purpose of selling or distributing pocket knives. SECTION 3. New statutory material is underscored. SECTION 4. This Act shall take effect on January 1, 2010. INTRODUCED BY: _____________________________"

2/7/2009 11:33:40 PM

Well yeah. You can't have those concealed assault knives just available for anyone to purchase. Especially not without a background check. Besides, what do you need a knife for anyway? If we got rid of all the knives, there would be less killing and stabbing and we would all live peacefully. Studies show that if you have a knife in the home, it's more likely to hurt you or a family member rather than solve a problem. Boy Scouts are just a front for the Knife Lobby anyway. Only police and the military should have knives.

[Edited on February 7, 2009 at 11:45 PM. Reason : afg]

2/7/2009 11:43:49 PM

ridiculous

Obama's home state too

2/7/2009 11:46:03 PM

Pocket Knives? Honestly?



THIS IS DANGEROUS AND PROMOTES CRIMINAL ACTIVITY!
IT WILL KILL YOU.

FEAR IT.

2/8/2009 12:12:54 AM

Thank God!
Now they need to look into those damn kitchen knives!

And I've heard those cracks in the sidewalks are not good for your mother's back.

2/8/2009 12:23:48 AM

How stupid can an elected body be, and how stupid can the voters be that put them there? This is almost as dumb as the so-called "stimulus" package that the idiots in Congress are working on. It's time to start voting some of these assholes out, but the voters are too hooked on the pork.

2/8/2009 12:26:21 AM

Also, how does this not violate the 2nd amendment?

If they can by an idiotic stretch be considered to be "dangerous weapons", how is it that they could also not be considered arms that one might bear as per one's rights to bear arms?

2/8/2009 12:32:16 AM

STAB HOWLIE!

2/8/2009 1:08:00 AM

i role out with a three inch folding blade in case i have to defend myself when i go downtown wilmignton. This is absurd. All this will do is guarantee the law abiding people don't have pocket knives while the criminals do. If i get jacked by a knife wielding thug in HI; i should be like here's my wallet man but pocket knives are against the law I'M TELLIGN!!

2/8/2009 2:38:54 AM

I love liberals, they are so delightfully retarded

2/8/2009 4:58:27 AM

Im waiting now for some poor woman to get raped cuz she cant have a simple weapon to defend herself.

2/8/2009 9:17:26 AM

I love Hawaii and would move back there in a heartbeat.

...but their politics are like the crazy family down the street that you can always point to and say 'At least we're not those guys'.

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"STAB HOWLIEHAOLE!"

[Edited on February 8, 2009 at 10:02 AM. Reason : ]

2/8/2009 10:02:21 AM

oh damnit

and, for your hard-line e-repubs who STILL think a person's political stance can ONLY be white or black, here's this gem.

I am VERY against this. I am also FOR concealed carrying with a permit.

I am also VERY liberal.

OH NO I BROKE THE FUCKING MATRIX BECAUSE I CONSIDER THINGS ISSUE BY ISSUE

ALERT WRAL

2/8/2009 10:29:07 AM

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"Im waiting now for some poor woman to get raped cuz she cant have a simple weapon to defend herself."

why? so you can dance the "i was right" dance?

and yeah, outlawing pocket knives is stupid. i have to hope this is one lone loony who proposed a bill that will go nowhere. plenty of these sorts of things happen in the house all the time.

2/8/2009 10:53:37 AM

I can kind of see why this would happen. If you grew up wealthy enough to become a politician, there's a pretty good chance you never had to do manual labor that would require such a thing.

This is pretty funny, actually.

2/8/2009 11:16:39 AM

Looks like this is the guy that sponsored it.
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/site1/senate/Members/sen9.asp

2/8/2009 12:30:50 PM

^It appears he is on the "JLCAIP - Joint Legislative Committee on Aging in Place"

What does that even mean? And in what alternate world should it deserve its own committee?

2/8/2009 1:19:58 PM

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"Im waiting now for some poor woman to get raped cuz she cant have a simple weapon to defend herself."

1) this is a retarded ban
however,
2) i'd be very curious to see how many rapes are prevented because of a woman carrying a pocket knife. I would venture that the vast majority of pocket knives are carried by men and for practical, not defensive, purposes.

2/8/2009 1:25:28 PM

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"I am VERY against this. I am also FOR concealed carrying with a permit. I am also VERY liberal. OH NO I BROKE THE FUCKING MATRIX BECAUSE I CONSIDER THINGS ISSUE BY ISSUE"

This is important.
We can all take issue with this bill without diluting the issue with partisan generalizations.

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"You can't have those concealed assault knives just available for anyone to purchase. Especially not without a background check. Besides, what do you need a knife for anyway? If we got rid of all the knives, there would be less killing and stabbing and we would all live peacefully. Studies show that if you have a knife in the home, it's more likely to hurt you or a family member rather than solve a problem. Boy Scouts are just a front for the Knife Lobby anyway. Only police and the military should have knives."

LOL.... A+

2/8/2009 1:55:32 PM

I'm trying to find it, but there is a minimum length of blade that is required to kill someone in most situations. Clearly, if you cut them in 1000 places they will bleed to death, but I'm talking about in one or two short motions.

Also, there is a book called "On Killing" which states that the physically closer you are to someone when you kill them, the mentally (and at times physically) harder it is to kill someone. In short, it hypothesizes that it takes a dysfunctional, fucked up motherfucker to kill someone with a knife. It is a bloody, messy situation. Most people will not do it.
This knife ban is a stupid gesture.

2/8/2009 2:34:32 PM

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"Only police and the military should have knives."

I can't tell if this person is serious or not.

2/8/2009 2:42:18 PM

It's pretty obviously a tongue-in-cheek post.

2/8/2009 2:48:22 PM

How do you even effectively kill or maim someone with a pocket knife? Without even a locking or fixed blade, you're more likely to accidentally close the blade on your own fingers or hurt yourself in some other similar manner than to severely injure the other individual. You're more likely to kill someone with a metal chopstick or a corkscrew.

2/8/2009 4:56:37 PM

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"a metal chopstick"

they make those?

2/8/2009 4:58:30 PM

Oh yeah. My parents use them instead of wood because they're easier to clean. They do feel a little different from their wooden and plastic counterparts though.

2/8/2009 5:01:19 PM

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"I am VERY against this. I am also FOR concealed carrying with a permit. I am also VERY liberal. OH NO I BROKE THE FUCKING MATRIX BECAUSE I CONSIDER THINGS ISSUE BY ISSUE ALERT WRAL"

maybe you are just one of the few libs left with some common sense.

2/8/2009 5:03:22 PM

^ get off it. you know that the vast majority of liberals and democrats would disagree with this ridiculousness. The ones who agree with it are probably comparable to the amount of Conservatives who think citizens should be allowed to own missile launchers or fully equipped Abrams tanks.

btw, i noticed in Chit Chat you may lose your government job. I guess your only hope is that some big-government "tax and spend" liberal saves your ass.

2/8/2009 6:29:14 PM

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"The ones who agree with it are probably comparable to the amount of Conservatives who think citizens should be allowed to own missile launchers or fully equipped Abrams tanks. "

LOL

At least our tax-in-spend republican is gone.

2/8/2009 6:43:14 PM

can i own a slightly less than fully operational abrams tank?

2/9/2009 1:31:49 AM

Hawaii hasn't moved to do anything. One idiot wants the State of Hawaii to move to ban pocket knives. This is a bill that won't even get a committee hearing.

2/9/2009 1:34:30 AM

I officially declare shenanigans on the State of Hawaii

2/9/2009 1:53:14 AM

I'D RATHER LIVE IN HAWAII WITHOUT MY KNIFE
THAN LIVE IN LOUISIANA WITHOUT MY BALLS

2/9/2009 2:20:24 AM

I looked at his profile and there was only one thing I looked for. I found it...

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"Member of the Democratic party."

2/9/2009 9:10:46 AM

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"Hawaii hasn't moved to do anything. One idiot wants the State of Hawaii to move to ban pocket knives. This is a bill that won't even get a committee hearing."

yes, the proposed bill is retarded.

no, it's not going anywhere

but that doesn't matter because, of course, it drives all the folks without critical thinking skills out of the woodwork to howl about it. because whats most important about this bill it that it serves their need to paint entire groups of hundreds of thousands of people with a broad brush based on the actions of one dumbass.

2/10/2009 4:56:12 PM

No, what matters is that there is an elected official out there, that truly and honestly believes that pocket knives, the same thing they issue to cub scouts around the word, represent a danger to society and need to be regulated and banned. It matters that our elected officials are getting so out of touch with the people that they seriously consider this a worthwhile effort on their part. And yes, this is one crazy state official, but its representative of a trend. You may think it's far fetched that something like this would ever be taken seriously, but just remember that less than 100 years ago, our representatives enacted a tax on fully automatic weapons because they didn't think they could legally outlaw a particular type of weapon. These days representatives don't even blink an eye before making something illegal. 50 years ago, they would have told you you were crazy to suggest that governments would ban smoking in bars, not so today.

2/10/2009 5:31:00 PM

^
exactly

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"because whats most important about this bill it that it serves their need to paint entire groups of hundreds of thousands of people with a broad brush based on the actions of one dumbass."

Wrong. What's most important is the fact that the dumbass got elected in the first place.

[Edited on February 10, 2009 at 5:35 PM. Reason : ]

2/10/2009 5:34:39 PM

^ apparently it was introduced by Les Ihara: http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/site1/senate/Members/sen9.asp

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"Education University of Hawaii, BA Liberal Studies"

...figures he'd have a worthless Liberal Studies degree.

[Edited on February 10, 2009 at 5:45 PM. Reason : ]

2/10/2009 5:45:04 PM

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"How do you even effectively kill or maim someone with a pocket knife? Without even a locking or fixed blade, you're more likely to accidentally close the blade on your own fingers or hurt yourself in some other similar manner than to severely injure the other individual. You're more likely to kill someone with a metal chopstick or a corkscrew."

I typically make such arguments, but a dude who has experienced far more violence than I recently called me out. I said it was silly for the security guards at federal court to temporarily seize my pocket can opener (P-38 design). He insisted he could hurt me with it. I believed him, though I claimed pencils were at least as dangerous. This didn't convince him. In my defense, I easily googled an example of murder via ballpoint pen. I haven't even been able to find any assaults with P-38s.

So, don't completely discount the humble Swiss Army knife. A bit of craft can overcome the blade's instability. They're a snap to hide because of the small size. Even an inch can kill if employed accurately. It takes considerably less force to penetrate the skin with a sharp blade than with a blunt instrument such as a pen.

That debate aside, the category of pocket knife includes far more dangerous items than pictured in this thread. My three-inch Buck could ruin anyone's day.

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"No, what matters is that there is an elected official out there, that truly and honestly believes that pocket knives, the same thing they issue to cub scouts around the word, represent a danger to society and need to be regulated and banned."

Eh, California's had dumber weapon laws for years now. The fucking ornamental metal stars they confiscated from my dad make Swiss Army knives look like BFGs. And they threatened to charge him with a felony. People go to jail for decades when throwing star possession happens to be their third strike. All this despite the fact that I've never read a report of anyone dying from a true throwing star, much less the decorative stars for sale in any Chinatown.

2/10/2009 10:11:41 PM

^ To be fair, I've pretty much written california off as a lost cause, but yes, that law is equally retarded.

2/11/2009 12:52:18 AM

I've pretty much written california off as a lost cause

2/11/2009 7:09:06 AM

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"I've pretty much written california off as a lost cause"

+1

I watched a hearing from Orange County CA yesterday about a new sheriff who, for no apparent reason, revoked something like 1,400 concealed carry permits. Citizens were pretty pissed...

2/11/2009 9:33:49 AM

At least pocket knives, as defined by the Hawaiian bill, actually kill people. The only reasons I can see for the throwing star ban are racism and basing reality on ninja movies. And Ihara wants to make pocket knife possession a misdemeanor, not a fucking felony.

[Edited on February 11, 2009 at 9:55 AM. Reason : California wins the crazy contest]

2/11/2009 9:54:59 AM

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"I've pretty much written california off as a lost cause"

Me too.


If you think about it, hawaii is just vulnerable to california's bullshit on account of it's location....

2/11/2009 9:58:09 AM

Any weapon control law is retarded. Except in this case, if pocket knifes are banned and I'm stealing/buy illegally my lethal weapon, I'll probably just skip the pocket knife and go to something more dangerous.

If you outlaw pocket knifes, only the outlaws will have guns.

2/11/2009 10:06:53 AM

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"pocket knifes"

2/11/2009 10:34:17 AM

Grammar Nazi is not impressed.

2/11/2009 10:45:46 AM

f- that

2/14/2009 6:18:26 PM