Hey god, These are the reasons why i don't believe in Christianity (currently). Please improve your logic and get back to me.

1) Why would got make tiny particles to create the fucking universe. Wouldn't it be easier to just make the substances themselves?
2) Wouldn't it be a lot easier to have not created humanity and have a bunch of people praying to you about trivial shit all the time?
3) If you created Lucifer, didn't you know ahead of time (because you are god) that he would get into heaven and then question all of your logic?
4) Why did you create satan?
5) Okay right after jesus died for our sins and humanity was given the ability to repent and confess, what about all the people who weren't in the middle east. Its not like people in asia could check on the internet for cosmic divine updates on your blog.
6) Why did you create a serpent in the garden of eden? Okay you wanted to tempt A&E but, if you made them didn't you know how they would react? i mean you are god...
7) If you made me, then don't you know all the interactions i will have, and wouldn't that mean my ultimate destiny is predetermined by that?
8) Why were adam and eve naked? I really don't get that lol. Just kinda random.
9) Why did you make me in sin, and then expect me to disobey the way you made me?
10) Where did you come from and why bother with all this crap?

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2/13/2009 1:26:12 PM

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"1) Why would got make tiny..."

what if got was one of us...

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2/13/2009 1:28:28 PM

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"If you created Lucifer, didn't you know ahead of time (because you are god) that he would get into heaven and then question all of your logic?"

Free Will

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"Okay right after jesus died for our sins and humanity was given the ability to repent and confess, what about all the people who weren't in the middle east. Its not like people in asia could check on the internet for cosmic divine updates on your blog. "

Saved by grace


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2/13/2009 1:28:29 PM

WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW????

2/13/2009 1:29:16 PM

However, just remember that God only likes unmarried virgins.

2/13/2009 1:30:49 PM

my thoughts...

1) something has to be made up of x particle
2) don't really know a good answer of this.. falls into the "meaning of life" mystery.
3) always gotta have polar opposites. no good without evil to balance it out.
4) see #3
5) perhaps generations before this time, people believed in god, and jesus was sent to remind the world of his existence.
6) to create a balanced form of man, testing them. the act of choice is a very powerful trait that man possesses.
7) perhaps destiny isn't pre-determined, and our purpose in life is to just perform a variety of difference choices that lead us to our unique "end"
8) Why not, every other creature other than man doesn't wear clothes.
9) learn from mistakes maybe? test our iron will.
10) This question is like questioning whats "outside of the infinite universe" i don't think anyone will ever come to a conclusion about how the whole entirety of existence began.

2/13/2009 1:32:58 PM

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"WHERE IS YOUR GOT NOW????"

2/13/2009 1:33:21 PM

obligatory for religion thread

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"Hi. You're probably new to the Wolf Web. In fact, I'm willing to bet you're new to college in general. It's an exciting time, isn't it? I'm sure that you have been exposed to many ideas and perspectives you'd never realized existed, and you're just bursting with enthusiasm at the thought of sharing a few ideas of your own with your peers now that you find yourself in an academic environment that seems perfectly suited to such an exchange. Why don't we go a little further? Odds are you consider yourself very intelligent. In fact, you're probably so intelligent that you've figured out all the quirks and kinks of organized religion--or at least Christianity. Yeah, that's it, isn't it? You were probably raised in a Christian household and resent that upbringing for limiting your personal freedoms, so it's only natural that you'd seek to undermine Christ's teachings and save others from having such a faulty belief system for their own good. Pretty cool of you, isn't it? You've really got it together. FUCK YOU YOU STUPID FUCKING FAGGOT COLLEGE KID LET ME TELL YOU A SECRET NONE OF YOUR THOUGHTS ON RELIGION ARE RADICAL OR EVEN THOUGHT-PROVOKING IT'S NO SECRET YOU GOT THEM OFF A FUCKING WEBSITE WE'VE ALL READ THE PROSELYTIZER QUESTIONNAIRE TOO NOTHING YOU CAN SAY IS GOING TO LEND A FRESH OUTLOOK DO YOU EVEN UNDERSTAND THAT FOR SEVERAL FUCKING CENTURIES NOW SOME OF THE MOST EDUCATED PEOPLE IN THE ANNALS OF HUMAN HISTORY HAVE DEVOTED THEIR LIVES TO ANSWERING DEEPER THEOLOGICAL CONCERNS THAN YOUR PETTY BULLSHIT ABOUT THE DISCREPANCIES IN THE GENEALOGIES OF CHRIST IN THE GOSPELS? I MEAN HOLY FUCK DO YOU THINK YOU'RE THE ONLY COCKSUCKER WHO EVER NOTICED THAT OR SOMETHING?! WAKE THE FUCK UP YOU'RE STILL JUST A STUPID KID AND WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO IS SHAMEFUL INCONSIDERATE AND DISRESPECTFUL BECAUSE MAYBE YOU'RE TOO MUCH OF A PUSSY TO LIVE ACCORDING TO A STRICT MORAL CODE AND MAYBE YOU'RE TOO MUCH OF A PUSSY TO ACTUALLY TRY AND DEVELOP A STRONG, HONORABLE CHARACTER BUT THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT RIGHT FOR YOU TO ATTACK MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS OF PEOPLE NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU TRY TO PLAY THE VICTIM TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY "FORCE THEIR BELIEFS" ON YOU BY HANDING OUT A FUCKING PAMPHLET I MEAN HOLY FUCKING CHRIST WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO IS TEN TIMES WORSE GET OVER YOURSELF ALREADY THIS REBELLION AGAINST MOMMY AND DADDY ISN'T IMPRESSING ANYONE WE'VE SEEN IT BEFORE YOU ARE NOT THE FIRST YOU ARE NOT EVEN REMARKABLE STOP ARGUING WITH GARY HE IS MAKING A FOOL OF YOU I SWEAR UPON THE BODY AND BLOOD OF THE PIERCED FUCKING JEW KING THAT IF YOU PULL THIS SALISBURYBOY, SYLVERSHADOW KIND OF SHIT ON ME YOU WORTHLESS WICCAN PANTYSTAIN I WILL SPLIT THE TENDER TISSUES OF YOUR WEEPING ASSHOLE WITH A HARDCOVER EDITION OF THE NEW INTERNATIONAL VERSION OF THE HOLY FUCKING BIBLE YOU THINK YOU'RE SO FUCKING SMART I'D LIKE TO SEE YOU DO THE SAME SHIT WITH ANY RELIGION BESIDES CHRISTIANITY OR JUDAISM WITH SOME BOOK BESIDES THE BIBLE OR THE TORAH YOU AIDS-FELCHING CUM FLAKE SO PUT THAT IN YOUR FUCKING PIPE YOU JUST BOUGHT FROM BUDDHA'S BELLY THE FIRST WEEKEND YOU WERE UP HERE AND SMOKE IT YOU FUCKING FAGGOT COLLEGE KID and that's my word."

2/13/2009 1:35:58 PM

oh well i don't believe in free will so there you go

If god is so great, why does he need a polar opposition other than to give people a scary alternative? i'm pretty sure necessary opposition is a human convention.


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2/13/2009 1:36:34 PM

I was waitin for that grimx....thnx

2/13/2009 1:38:00 PM

So if you don't believe in Free Will and you don't believe in God, what do you believe in?

Cause if you think we're predestined to do something then you must believe that someone set out a path for us.

2/13/2009 1:39:06 PM

i guess what i believe in is technically called behaviorism, but i don't like that term.

I believe all physical things can be explained by newtonian or post newtonian physics whenever we figure it out.
I believe all human actions can be explained by biology or a combination of psychology & sociology. Sure we don't know these things now, but keep in mind, it was a crime against god for Copernicus to say that the sun and not the earth wasn't the center of the universe.
If we figure out a logical reason for the creation of this universe that can be proven scientifically, what else will we change about christianity?

I would be happy if christians just said "phenomenon that can be observed can be explained, phenomenon that can't be observed can't be explained and in those cases god comes in"

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2/13/2009 1:43:27 PM

fuck this thread I just lih

2/13/2009 1:45:02 PM

god sometimes you just don't come through
god sometimes you just don't come through
do you need a woman to look after you
god sometimes you just don't come through


you make pretty daisies pretty daisies love
i gotta find what you're doing about things here
a few witches burning gets a little toasty here
i gotta find why you always go when the wind blows


tell me you're crazy maybe then i'll understand
you got your 9 iron in the back seat just in case
heard you've gone south well babe you love your new 4 wheel
i gotta find why you always go when the wind blows

2/13/2009 1:46:09 PM

i guess there are reasons to doubt god as well as reasons to doubt scientific explanation.

2/13/2009 1:46:20 PM

silly me

i thought he was talking to gronke

2/13/2009 1:46:50 PM

well science functions on doubting what we already know. otherwise we'd still think the earth is flat. thats the fundamental difference...

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2/13/2009 1:47:35 PM

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"i guess what i believe in is technically called behaviorism, but i don't like that term. I believe all physical things can be explained by newtonian or post newtonian physics whenever we figure it out. I believe all human actions can be explained by biology or a combination of psychology & sociology. Sure we don't know these things now, but keep in mind, it was a crime against god for Copernicus to say that the sun and not the earth wasn't the center of the universe. If we figure out a logical reason for the creation of this universe that can be proven scientifically, what else will we change about christianity? I would be happy if christians just said "phenomenon that can be observed can be explained, phenomenon that can't be observed can't be explained and in those cases god comes in""

I agree with you

2/13/2009 1:51:17 PM

for example, i'm about to go get some hardee's. thats not free will- i'm hungry.

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2/13/2009 1:55:03 PM

whatever, christianity is the fucking flavor of the week (well, this millennium or 2)




the thought that there's nothing there when the lights go out is terrifying, but what if that's all there is?

2/13/2009 1:55:26 PM

Well it's free will what you pick to eat. You are making the choice to get something from fast food, which may not be the best choice, but God isn't going to stop you from doing that and force you to eat an apple.

2/13/2009 1:56:18 PM

its free will because you can choose where you want to eat.

you can choose not to eat, but you'll die.

2/13/2009 1:56:43 PM

no way, i'm choosing hardees because its close, and they have the item that my body desires.
i would make it myself, but my biological make up makes me lazy.


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2/13/2009 1:58:23 PM

Well for instance. My church sent me a care package full of candy and cookies for Valentines day. I have the choice to make, do I want to sit here and eat all of it, or do I want to give it away. It's my free choice to make, so in that case

Who wants it?

2/13/2009 2:01:12 PM

western bum

2/13/2009 2:03:39 PM

Well, i believe humans evolved (or god gave us) to believe that they have free will because we can do much more complicated things. But while we're on that topic it doesn't make sense that free will could be a product of evolution. In this case religion makes a lot more sense.

I don't believe animals have free will, i believe i'm a very complicated animal.

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2/13/2009 2:04:29 PM

if god gives you lemons
FIND A NEW GOD

2/13/2009 2:05:06 PM

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"5) Okay right after jesus died for our sins and humanity was given the ability to repent and confess, what about all the people who weren't in the middle east. Its not like people in asia could check on the internet for cosmic divine updates on your blog. "

fuckign laughed my ass off

2/13/2009 2:05:58 PM

seriously though i'm hungry as shit.
Hopefully before i get there my biology will tell me whether to get 2 jumbo dogs or a thickburger. I don't want to hold up the line.

^somehow i think thats the FIRST thing that made me question christianity when i was younger. Someone told me everyone else had a generational curse that went back to the old testament days lol. Later i realized there were much bigger mysteries. lol

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2/13/2009 2:06:10 PM

you could order delivery if you were lazy. but obviously it costs more.

hey every thing has a price, basic cause and effect.

2/13/2009 2:07:21 PM

yeah i believe i'm subconsciously weighing all of those things.

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2/13/2009 2:08:12 PM

2/13/2009 2:11:47 PM

I believe that God is not all-powerful...He cannot create a rock which He cannot lift, or if He can, then he can't lift the rock. And among other things, maybe God cannot create a universe in which there exists happiness, but no sorrow. Perhaps He is subject to certain universal laws, just like everyone else. That's my take, anyway.

2/13/2009 2:15:35 PM

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"I believe all physical things can be explained by newtonian or post newtonian physics whenever we figure it out."

Post Newtonian physics happened nearly 100 years ago.

2/13/2009 2:21:47 PM

ok I agree with most of what you say BB.

Here's my rational.

We are programed through evolution to believe in a higher power. Without that belief our brains do not function properly. (take that as what you want it to mean)

I believe in karma or in scientific words matter is not created nor destroyed. So when you do something it comes back to you. (again take it as you will)

2/13/2009 2:34:35 PM

^^ oh so we figured out everything about space time?
^ eh, social interactions do not follow the same rules as matter. there are concrete scientific reasons why matter can't be created or destroyed. Our society is constructed through history not through hard sciences.

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2/13/2009 2:42:47 PM