Fucked up but at least they are not sitting back expecting the United States to save the world.

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"Report: Israel assassinating Iranian nuclear scientists February 18, 2009 LONDON (JTA) -- Israel is assassinating Iranian nuclear scientists as part of a covert war against the Islamic Republic's weapons program, according to a British newspaper. The Daily Telegraph cited U.S. intelligence claims that Israel is using hit men, sabotage, front companies and double agents to disrupt the regime's illicit weapons project. “The aim is to slow down or interrupt Iran's research program without the gamble of a direct confrontation that could lead to a wider war,” an intelligence analyst told the the newspaper. The newspaper quoted a former CIA officer on Iran who said, "Disruption is designed to slow progress on the program, done in such a way that they don't realize what's happening. You are never going to stop it." "The goal is delay, delay, delay until you can come up with some other solution or approach. We certainly don't want the current Iranian government to have those weapons. It's a good policy, short of taking them out militarily, which probably carries unacceptable risks." The Telegraph also quotes Reva Bhalla, a senior analyst with Stratfor, the private U.S. intelligence company with strong government security connections, who claims that the strategy was to take out key people. “With cooperation from the United States, Israeli covert operations have focused both on eliminating key human assets involved in the nuclear program and in sabotaging the Iranian nuclear supply chain," she said. Bhalla added, however, that "As U.S.-Israeli relations are bound to come under strain over the Obama administration's outreach to Iran, and as the political atmosphere grows in complexity, an intensification of Israeli covert activity against Iran is likely to result." Israel has been rumored to be involved in the mysterious death of key Iranian nuclear scientists, including Ardeshire Hassanpour, who died in 2007 of “gas poisoning.” The Telegraph also quoted another European intelligence official who said that "Israel has shown no hesitation in assassinating weapons scientists for hostile regimes in the past." "

2/18/2009 4:10:05 PM

fuck i'm switching to textile engineering

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2/18/2009 4:10:59 PM

The 80s called, they want their scandal back.

2/18/2009 4:15:14 PM

seems pretty dumb to be releasing this information.

really fucking dumb, actually.

2/18/2009 4:16:19 PM

^almost like its not real

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2/18/2009 4:17:52 PM

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"The newspaper quoted a former CIA officer on Iran who said, "Disruption is designed to slow progress on the program, done in such a way that they don't realize what's happening. You are never going to stop it."

Robert Baer?

^^ Pretty dumb for whom? This isn't the Israelis running their mouths about their operations nor is it anyone confirmed (or even suspected really) to be directly involved. If that were the case then yeah, it would be dumb. I don't know this reporter's stance on assassinations or Israel in general but if they are against either, then this isnt looking so dumb.

[Edited on February 18, 2009 at 4:22 PM. Reason : 0]

2/18/2009 4:18:56 PM

It's dumb for "former CIA officials" to be talking about it. Fuckers should know to keep their mouths shut.

As the article states, it could strain relations between the US and Iran just at the time when Obama is trying to turn a new page on foreign relations.

[Edited on February 18, 2009 at 4:28 PM. Reason : 2]

2/18/2009 4:27:06 PM

you crackers just had to go crusading around

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[Edited on February 18, 2009 at 4:30 PM. Reason : you guys don't even believe in jesus anymore. ]

2/18/2009 4:30:19 PM

^ i suspect that the 'former cia official' mentioned in the article is Robert Baer. He's written a few books, one specifically about Iran, and really knows his stuff. Anything he says or publishes is subject to cia scrutiny and confined by his security clearances so it likely won't be anymore compromising than any other iran 'expert'

2/18/2009 4:32:36 PM

Good thing all outside media is banned in Iran or Israel could be in real trouble!

2/18/2009 4:37:23 PM

ah Israel

forever running train on the Arabian countries

they got a lot of hostility built up i guess

2/18/2009 4:39:20 PM

More like a lot of paranoia.

You know, from that time when the Nazis tried to exterminate them. Or when 5 different countries invaded them at the same time, a day after they declared their independence. Or the fact that Ahmadinejad has called for Israel to be wiped off the map.

2/18/2009 4:52:48 PM

^ wasn't the wiped-off-the-map thing a mistranslation?

And even if that's true, I don't think it justifies assassinating scientists, who are likely innocent pawns in this game.

2/18/2009 4:55:05 PM

"Wiped off the map", "erased from the page of time", whatever. Ahmadinejad has been anti-israel since he gained power, and he is portrayed as another Hitler by Benjamin Netanyahu. Is it rational or right to assassinate scientists? Well, no, not really. But when you back a group of people into a corner and repeatedly threaten them, they are bound to lash out. And strategically, it makes more sense to do this than to try to bomb Iran, risking full-on war.

2/18/2009 5:02:05 PM

this thread brought the LOL... especially the last couple of posts.

2/18/2009 5:03:55 PM

Thanks, I try

2/18/2009 5:05:04 PM

Iranians aren't arabs dumbass, they hate each other

2/18/2009 5:21:57 PM

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"part of a covert war against the Islamic Republic's weapons program"

Covert, eh?

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"^ wasn't the wiped-off-the-map thing a mistranslation?"

He's done whatever he can to ruin Israel and the Jewish people. He had Iran host a world-wide Holocaust deniers conference, that's some sick shit.

2/18/2009 5:53:00 PM

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"fuck i'm switching to textile engineering"

2/18/2009 5:57:43 PM

1. go to the motherfucking soapbox with this shit

2. damn jews

2/18/2009 6:00:01 PM

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"Covert, eh?"

yeah, they probably meant 'clandestine'

2/18/2009 6:27:21 PM

James Bond

2/18/2009 6:33:44 PM

why would this go in the soapbox? lounge maybe. but soapbox?

2/20/2009 8:39:57 AM

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"I don't think it justifies assassinating scientists, who are likely innocent pawns in this game"

have you never played chess?

pawns or not, those fuckers go first

2/20/2009 9:09:57 AM

Assassinating scientists is total bullshit.

Israel should be ashamed but yet again they appear incapable.

2/20/2009 9:23:23 AM

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"Assassinating scientists is total bullshit."

Assassinating scientists like Dr. Light (Dr. Right) is bullshit.

Assassinating scientists like Dr. Wiley is acceptable.

2/20/2009 10:10:24 AM

They should just go ahead and drop the big one on 'em. Assasinate them all. Then say "WHO GOT WIPED OFF THE MAP, BITCH?"

2/20/2009 10:12:59 AM

2/20/2009 10:14:13 AM

I'm a fan.

2/20/2009 10:14:53 AM

I'm a ceiling fan.

2/20/2009 10:28:21 AM

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"More like a lot of paranoia. You know, from that time when the Nazis tried to exterminate them. Or when 5 different countries invaded them at the same time, a day after they declared their independence. Or the fact that Ahmadinejad has called for Israel to be wiped off the map. "

A lot of groups have suffered genocide, so Israel is not alone in this trend. Having suffered genocide does not permit one to have uncontrollable paranoia to the point where your actions have greater social impact and could potentially endanger the whole world. Israel has a history of preemptive strikes

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""Wiped off the map", "erased from the page of time", whatever."

No, not whatever. There is a difference. The point that was being made by his comment was that the political administration within israel should be removed and never reinstated, and he even went as far to compare it as previous Iranian regimes that deserved a similar fate. There is nothing threatening about this.

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"and he is portrayed as another Hitler by Benjamin Netanyahu."

of course he has, because Nethanyahu is a political war hawk and holds ulterior motives. Would you expect Nethanyahu to say something positive about Ahmadinejad? People compared bush to hitler, does someone making a comparison the sole basis for credibility and validity of that statement? of course not.

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"He's done whatever he can to ruin Israel and the Jewish people. He had Iran host a world-wide Holocaust deniers conference, that's some sick shit."

Jews inside Iran actually have more rights and are held in higher esteem than in other muslim countries. The equality they receive is greater than that of the muslims inside Israel. There was not a holocaust denial conference there, it was a holocaust revision conference. There is a difference. Ahmadinejad believes there was a holocaust, but is not certain of the number. Within the group of people he invited were many hasidic jews and rabbis.

2/20/2009 10:34:58 AM

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""WHO GOT WIPED OFF THE MAP, BITCH?""

2/20/2009 1:08:11 PM

Can anyone locate the 'over 200 reasons' why Nevada opposes Yucca Mountain? Inspired by this article.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29368213/

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"Nevada lawmakers question costs to stop nuclear dump at Yucca Mountain CARSON CITY, Nev. (AP) -- The ongoing legal fight against Yucca Mountain has state lawmakers asking how much money may be needed to keep the nuclear dump out of southern Nevada. Nevada Attorney General Catherine Cortez Masto asked the Senate Finance Committee for about $5 million for legal costs to deal with the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, which is considering a licensing application for the dump. Cortez Masto said the state's NRC-related costs may eventually double that amount. The state's petition to the NRC lists more than 200 reasons to stop the dump from opening. Senate Majority Leader Steven Horsford says the state must fight the nuclear dump and asked the attorney general if her office would have enough money in the future to do so. Senate Minority Leader Bill Raggio asked the attorney general where the money would come from if legal costs did indeed double. He also says oversight must be provided over outside counsel hired by the state. The federal Department of Energy applied to the NRC last year for a permit to operate the dump at Yucca Mountain. The commission has four years to act on the proposal."

2/25/2009 8:08:21 AM

While in engineering geology, one of the geotechnical engineers consulted on the yucca mountain project came to speak with us about the project. He showed us some pictures and plans of the containment units, shielding, and other protective or safety factors that they have in place. It's quite amazing.

The place is a desert anyways so it's not like tons of tourists or adventurers are going to travel there just to climb the mountains. However, they probably could climb the mountain because there is no way they would actually get bombarded with any kind of radiation.

The lawmakers are just dumb.

2/25/2009 9:41:55 AM

Yeah I did a project one summer with TPA 5.1. The design is really well thought out.

2/25/2009 9:44:06 AM

And Israel is the peaceful and democratic country in the region!

They have an advanced 'illegal' nuclear weapons program, but that's OK, because the US will always save their ass, while at the same time condemning Iran for trying to acquire the same thing that Isarel has had for decades.

Fuck Israel. Fuck Netanyahu

(oh so, Ahmedinejad is 'anti-Israel', but what about Netanyahu, or any other Israeli leader? Are they pro-Iran, or pro-Arab, or pro-Muslim? Netanyahu is worse than Hitler, if you ask me.)

And Holocaust denial/revision, do you believe in free speech or not? You live in the US. So it is OK to make cartoons that mock the Muslim Prophet, but it is not OK to deny the Holocaust or to revise the numbers?

And Ahmedinejad never said to wipe Israel off the map. It doesn't matter what he said? WTF? I can't believe this is happening in the US, the land of the free and the land of the truth.

The hypocrisy and lies in this thread are sickening.



[Edited on February 25, 2009 at 2:17 PM. Reason : ]

2/25/2009 2:04:33 PM

gah ^ you would think you were a survivor from the nazi german administration with all your antisemitism you spew on this board

2/25/2009 2:10:52 PM

Anti-semitism?

Do you even FUCKING KNOW THE MEANING?

Criticizing Israel is NOT anti-semitism, you sheep. NO country is beyond reproach or condemnation or criticism.



[Edited on February 25, 2009 at 2:19 PM. Reason : ^ fuck your hypocrisy and two-facedness]

2/25/2009 2:14:25 PM

Quote :

"So it is OK to make cartoons that mock the Muslim Prophet, but it is not OK to deny the Holocaust or to revise the numbers?"

you can also mock, among other things, God, Jesus, Moses, the US President etc

why should Muhammad be any different?

Denying the holocaust or 'revising' the numbers is similar to denying slavery in the US or 'revising' the numbers of slaves killed or the number of dead in the Civil War.

there is a very large historical and moral difference between these two.

false equivocation is a major major problem in the middle east as a whole. Israel does it when they use extreme force against a majority of civilians, the Palestinians do it when they bomb a hospital or market. seems to be a part of the general culture there for some reason.

you weren't being anti-semitic. you were just making a very poor argument.

[Edited on February 25, 2009 at 2:23 PM. Reason : grammer ]

2/25/2009 2:22:03 PM

Free speech, bitches.

Whether the equivocation is false or not, denying the Holocaust is protected speech in the USA.

So, take that.

Logically, the equivocation is false, but in another sense (amount of hurt caused to the respective communities), the equivocation is not false.

I am for free speech, are you? All you are saying is that denying the Holocaust or slavery shouldn't be allowed (is that what you are saying?) because it is very painful to the Jews/Blacks. So? Mocking the Prophet is very painful to the Muslims.

Both should be allowed.

Oh, and get this, I hadn't even said anything about the Holocaust until AFTER jnpaul accused me of anti-semitism. See the time stamps.

When he replied to my post, this is all I had:

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"And Israel is the peaceful and democratic country in the region! They have an advanced 'illegal' nuclear weapons program, but that's OK, because the US will always save their ass, while at the same time condemning Iran for trying to acquire the same thing that Isarel has had for decades. Fuck Israel. Fuck Netanyahu (oh so, Ahmedinejad is 'anti-Israel', but what about Netanyahu, or any other Israeli leader? Are they pro-Iran, or pro-Arab, or pro-Muslim? Netanyahu is worse than Hitler, if you ask me.)"

IS THAT ANTI-SEMITIC?

FUCK anybody who thinks it is. Cuz obviously then you are a fucking stupid sheep.



[Edited on February 25, 2009 at 2:33 PM. Reason : ]

2/25/2009 2:29:42 PM

you hate israel because of your wacko ass islamic views

get a life and quit blogging about your hatred on this forum nobody cares and its annoying

quit being a bitch on the internets just whining about how much you hate israel and actually do something about it you pussy

2/25/2009 2:40:02 PM

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"Antisemitism (also spelled anti-semitism or anti-Semitism; also known as Judeophobia) is a term used to describe prejudice against or hostility towards people of Jewish lineage, which is ultimately rooted in, and based upon, an historical religio-cultural aversion to their core ancestral religious beliefs and way of life. This prejudice or hostility is usually characterized by a combination of religious, racial, cultural and ethnic biases. While the term's etymology might suggest that antisemitism is directed against all Semitic peoples, it has been used exclusively to refer to hostility toward Jews since its initial usage.[1][2] Antisemitism may be manifested in many ways, ranging from individual expressions of hatred and discrimination against individual Jews to organized violent attacks by mobs or even state police or military attacks on entire Jewish communities. Extreme instances of persecution include the First Crusade of 1096, the expulsion from England in 1290, the Spanish Inquisition, the expulsion from Spain in 1492, the expulsion from Portugal in 1497, various pogroms, and the most infamous, the Holocaust under Adolf Hitler's Nazi Germany. "

0EPII1 in a nut shell

2/25/2009 2:44:26 PM

As I expected, you are a hypocrite and have no logic.

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"its annoying"

I am the bitch and the pussy?

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"your wacko ass islamic views"

Haha, what? You don't even fucking know me. I just said mocking the Prophet should be allowed, and I said I am for free speech. Did you even fucking read? Fucking troll

^ Pulled out the dictionary eh, when all other trolling failed?

Just read the fucking definition, and tell me how it fits me. I said nothing negative against Jewish people. I am talking about Israel (i.e., their government). Israel as a country is a secular country, and has nothing to do with Judaism or Moses. Modern Israel is a human invention.

Another round of failed trolling. Enroll in ENG 101 and LOG 101.

I am done with your bitch ass trolling.


[Edited on February 25, 2009 at 2:49 PM. Reason : ]

2/25/2009 2:44:35 PM

i have read atleast 10 threads where you have written huge ass posts with ridiculous bs hatred towards israel...you are an idiot and i can't believe retards like you are part of this country to be honest..you probably hate the U.S. too don't you?

2/25/2009 2:51:37 PM

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"Whether the equivocation is false or not, denying the Holocaust is protected speech in the USA."

this is true. but there is a fundamental difference between denying a historical fact (makes you look like a simpleton) and a satirical portrayal of any number of significant historical figures.

Ataturk, Muhammad, Jesus, Mary, God, Obama, Ahmedinejad, etc, all are people, they may have other significant characteristics that makes them unique but none of them are 'above' being ridiculed or made fun of.

if someone made a cartoon of Moses being porked anally by porky the pig on top of buddah their would be less "outcry" than the one made of Muhammad.

in sheer black and white terms both are protected under free speech. however there is a very large historical and moral difference between those two items. (holocaust and muhammad)

assuming you are a morally upstanding individual you can see how making fun of one's religious or national figures can be insulting, but denial of pivotal world events such as the holocaust will cause people to simply write you off as a nutjob.


he's not being anti-semitic folks

[Edited on February 25, 2009 at 2:55 PM. Reason : durr]

2/25/2009 2:54:38 PM

It makes perfect sense to me. Hell, it's what I'd be doing in Israel's shoes.

Let's cut the shit here. It doesn't matter what kinds of governments or leaders are involved here. The fact is, Israel and Iran do not like each other. At all. Right now Israel has the nuclear advantage, and it is in their best interest to keep it that way.

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"I don't think it justifies assassinating scientists, who are likely innocent pawns in this game"

They're absolutely essential pawns. You could kill everyone in the Iranian government and the nuclear program could keep running just fine. Kill the key players in the nuclear program, though, and it's going to take whoever is left a while to catch up.

2/25/2009 3:05:43 PM

0EPII1is all for free speech...
until it hits him

you can question the holocaust, but how dare you call him Anti-Semitic

His response

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"IS THAT ANTI-SEMITIC? FUCK anybody who thinks it is"

[Edited on February 25, 2009 at 3:07 PM. Reason : .]

2/25/2009 3:06:50 PM

OEP is the ultimate troll.

"I have a math degree or whatever, here are my political views" *puts on turban*

2/25/2009 3:10:09 PM

hahahaha

http://thewolfweb.com/message_search.aspx?type=posts§ion=1§ion=9§ion=15§ion=2§ion=8§ion=3§ion=13§ion=4§ion=5§ion=7§ion=10&searchstring=israel&username=0EPII1&usertype=match&sortby=date&sortorder=descending&page=

2/25/2009 4:27:50 PM

set em up

3/25/2009 9:10:01 AM