http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/02/19/acid.attack.victim/index.html

YES. I hope she wins.

2/19/2009 2:23:27 PM

you and she are just as much a savage as he is then.

not doing this is what makes us a civilized nation.

2/19/2009 2:28:10 PM

Good for her.

2/19/2009 2:34:10 PM

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"not doing this tolerating the freelance use of acid as a weapon is what makes us a civilized nation."

2/19/2009 2:36:07 PM

i don't blame her for wanting to do this. but no legal system worth a damn should allow punishment of this nature.

i also don't think this sort of attack should be tolerated. but you don't do that by sinking to their disgusting levels.

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""I don't want to blind him for revenge," Bahrami said in her parents' Tehran apartment. "I'm doing this to prevent it from happening to someone else.""

by imploring the government to do this to someone else?

what happened to forgiving the sinner? what happened to leaving judgment to god.


i mean no doubt, punish this guy within the limits of the law. but this is the very definition of "cruel and unusual punishment" and i'd be ashamed if i lived in a country that allowed this.

2/19/2009 2:44:28 PM

actually a basic burn is much more damaging to the cornea than an acidic one.

I would imagine if we did this kind of punishment, people would actually think twice about crimes.

2/19/2009 2:46:14 PM

Well, to be clear, I think the important thing to me is that he is blinded. If they can do that with painless means, all the better.

2/19/2009 2:46:16 PM

why is it important to you that he is blinded?

2/19/2009 2:48:18 PM

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"what happened to leaving judgment to god. i mean no doubt, punish this guy within the limits of the law. "

That country's legal system is underpinned by the Sharia, so "eye for an eye" is kinda how the law is written.

2/19/2009 2:54:10 PM

that's great. and i'm saying that i don't support that and those that do are doing their country a disservice. handicapping one of your citizens isn't going to do anyone any good.

2/19/2009 3:18:47 PM

an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind

2/19/2009 3:19:05 PM

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"i don't blame her for wanting to do this. but no legal system worth a damn should allow punishment of this nature."

This is a nation where they still stone people to death, so yeah, i think she is going to get her wish on this one

2/19/2009 3:20:36 PM

and that somehow makes it right?

just because it's easy to ignore human rights in some cases doesn't mean that we should.

2/19/2009 3:21:35 PM

oh well I think when you're a piece of shit like this and take away somebody else's human right, you deserve the same exact thing

2/19/2009 3:23:38 PM

she was hot:

2/19/2009 3:24:47 PM

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"when you're a piece of shit like this and take away somebody else's human right, you deserve the same exact thing"

2/19/2009 3:28:57 PM

there's a difference between deserving something and the government handing down that sentence.

2/19/2009 3:36:46 PM

^

2/19/2009 4:34:12 PM

she is better off then the lady that got mauled by the chimp...no eyes, no nose and half of her jaw gone. Sometimes you got to wonder if it is really doing the person good by saving them with such catastrophic injuries (where in the past they would of died).

That 19 year old model that got that infection, where they removed her stomach, amputated her hands and feet, I think they removed or partially removed other organs. She ended up dying, but what sort of quality of life would she of had had she lived?





[Edited on February 19, 2009 at 4:47 PM. Reason : w]

2/19/2009 4:44:57 PM

"He did it because he loved her."

Woo, crazy person.

2/19/2009 4:52:31 PM

If al-qaeda ever achieved their goal of defeating the US, then we'd have this kind of punishment for sick bastards who throw acid on people.

[Edited on February 19, 2009 at 4:54 PM. Reason : ]

2/19/2009 4:53:55 PM

I'm torn on this one, but the guy had days if not weeks to plan this out, with multiple chances to change his mind so he's earned whatever happens to him imo.

2/19/2009 4:59:28 PM

i just can't believe that a forum of americans who presumably believe in the tenants of the constitution can have a second thought as to whether this is an appropriate punishment for a government to hand down.

isn't this the sort of thing that we're trying to keep the taliban from implementing in afghanistan?

part of a civilized government is not acting on revenge (especially towards one of their own). it's part of being an adult too.

[Edited on February 19, 2009 at 5:02 PM. Reason : .]

2/19/2009 5:02:14 PM

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"part of a civilized government is not acting on revenge (especially towards one of their own)."

Your definition, sure.

2/19/2009 5:20:26 PM

i hate to admit it, but theres something viscerally appealing about this form of justice.

2/19/2009 5:21:29 PM

I bet he won't do it again.

2/19/2009 5:29:37 PM

She says that she wants this punishment because it will prevent him from doing it again, not out of revenge, which is bullshit. If you don't want him to do it again, you either lock him up for life or put a bullet in his brain. This is simply revenge. Executing him humanely would be better than pouring acid on his face.

2/19/2009 5:35:57 PM

^^^You shouldn't hate to admit it.

You can't really control the viscera.


My comment on the article is that it's really, really sad how hope for marriage framed the piece. She was permanently disfigured and disabled by a man who wanted to marry her, and what is her hope for the future? To meet a man and be married!

[Edited on February 19, 2009 at 5:43 PM. Reason : So sad.]

2/19/2009 5:42:01 PM

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"Your definition, sure."

would you be willing to give our government the ability to punish people in this way?

2/19/2009 5:50:35 PM

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"i just can't believe that a forum of americans who presumably believe in the tenants of the constitution can have a second thought as to whether this is an appropriate punishment for a government to hand down."

2/19/2009 5:54:02 PM

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"would you be willing to give our government the ability to punish people in this way?"

Again, with regard to end result, yes. Blind this criminal, but not necessarily with acid. He ended her life as it was, which appeared to be (can't fully tell) very successful. Her career is likely over and she had to waste years of her own life to overcome a condition that simply should not be (that is, learn to live blind). I would consider that worse than death, personally. He should have to suffer likewise.

...on second read of your question, I may have answered something else. SHOULD he get what's coming to him? Absolutely - anyone who doesn't think possess an ability to forgive that truly astounds me - I would wonder if that type of person has ever been seriously wronged.

But SHOULD he get what's coming to him because the government says so? Hmmmm...I'm not sure where to draw the line on that...suppose someone is a victim of identity theft, their credit scores is destroyed, and they're forced to put their life on hold (can't buy a house, etc. despite their best financial planning). If they catch the thief, you better goddamn well believe that I would want the government fully cleansing them of their assets before ever releasing them from prison (to which they must surely go) onto the street.

Eye for an eye >>>>> this country's "justice" system

2/19/2009 6:21:14 PM

I am torn over this, but I am more in favour of it than not.

Here is the problem: In Muslim countries, crimes and violence against women are too common. They are also common many non-Muslim countries, such as India, many African and South American countries, and some more.

But, only in Muslim countries is where the reasons given go something like this: "it is for their own protection", "it was to protect the family's honour", "it is because we respect women", etc.

Acid attacks (facial), burnings, gang-rapes, 'honor killings', etc, are too common in many Muslim countries. The reasons are usually having a boyfriend, turning down a marriage proposal, choosing their own husband, or any other 'crime' that tarnishes the honour of the family. And the worst part is that the perpetrators are usually able to get away with slaps on the wrist, such as 6 month or 1 year sentences, because they invoke the honor defense.

That's the reason I am in favour of this, because the government is willing to punish the horrible animal that did this to a woman. It is about time governments of Muslim countries sent a strong message to men who dare kill or injure women just to protect their 'honor'.

The same part of me that sympathizes with victims of crimes, torture, and oppression, feels a bit of sympathy for this man that will undergo the pain, but at the same time, a big part of me loves women and children too much, and anybody that harms women and children, should be punished severely.

2/19/2009 6:57:03 PM

I can understand her fury, but the state cannot be allowed to start handing out such vicious punishments. Blinding him doesn't necessarily prevent him from hurting someone again. He might think twice about doing this again if he has to pay out a huge amount of "blood money" to his victim.

She should take her blood money and move on.

2/19/2009 7:52:42 PM

"Oh what that guy did was horrible! So let's do it right back to him! That will teach him and others!"

By that logic, I'm sure being burnt by acid taught her to shut the hell up. Doesn't make it right.

2/19/2009 8:12:38 PM

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"Eye for an eye >>>>> this country's "justice" system"

you can't be serious.

2/19/2009 8:41:21 PM

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"i hate to admit it, but theres something viscerally appealing about this form of justice."

You know, the main reason I support this is because the laws/culture there seem designed to oppress woman. Any sort of balance in the other direction is preferrable.

the last thing in recent memory:

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"A WOMAN suspected of recruiting more than 80 female suicide bombers has confessed to organising their rapes so she could later convince them that martyrdom was the only way to escape the shame."

2/19/2009 9:35:08 PM

She wasn't just blinded, her whole face was melted off. This is a special case of where the Eye for an Eye works perfectly. I totally agree with the punishment. That dude should have acid poured on to his face and have it melt off so that he looks just like her. That should be his punishment, no prison or anything. Just melt his face off and let him go.

2/19/2009 11:29:25 PM

Make him take a bath in it.

2/20/2009 10:26:30 AM

^^ stop posting in here. seriously. just take your peculiar brand of stupid and go somewhere else.

2/20/2009 12:20:37 PM

I suppose its a question of how the punishments were framed. If there was an option for extended prison stay, then I suppose that would be a much more reasonable punishment. However, it sounds like in the Iranian system, the guy could have walked by simply paying "blood money", essentially a fine for completely destroying a person's life. If the choice was between that and the "eye for an eye", I think I would prefer the latter, especially as 0EPII1 pointed out, this tactic of acid attacks against women is becoming too frequent in the Muslim world. I guess there's just something wrong with allowing people to walk away with what is essentially a fine for physical violence against others.

With regards to the punishment, sometimes I wonder if being blinded may be more merciful than fifteen to twenty in San Quentin.

2/20/2009 12:25:59 PM

^^ Why was my post stupid? Either you agree with "Eye for eye" or you don't. Some people type whole paragraphs about how they are sitting on the fence about the issue. My post was valid, I gave my opinion on the topic. Your post was just an attack against someone who doesn't beleive the same things as you.


[Edited on February 21, 2009 at 11:05 PM. Reason : -]

2/21/2009 11:04:33 PM

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"i just can't believe that a forum of americans who presumably believe in the tenants of the constitution can have a second thought as to whether this is an appropriate punishment for a government to hand down."

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"i just can't believe that a forum of americans who presumably believe in the tenants of the constitution can have a second thought as to whether this is an appropriate punishment for a government to hand down."

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"i just can't believe that a forum of americans who presumably believe in the tenants of the constitution can have a second thought as to whether this is an appropriate punishment for a government to hand down."

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"i just can't believe that a forum of americans who presumably believe in the tenants of the constitution can have a second thought as to whether this is an appropriate punishment for a government to hand down."

so why do YOU PEOPLE hate america?

2/21/2009 11:19:56 PM

Look, there's no denying that true justice is only achieved through eye-for-and-eye. The opposing view seems to take the stance that victims should be inherently capable of forgiveness to some degree or another.

Perhaps there's some value to that in very minor infractions, but it doesn't go far.

When it comes to being fucking BLINDED, there is only one just outcome.

Btw, she's totally lying by saying she simply "doesn't want him to do this to someone else," but frankly that's beside the point. If she wants equality and justice, she is entitled to it, and should not have to explain or justify it to anyone as long as it has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is guilty (which, he is...he confessed).








and fuck UNC

2/22/2009 12:08:18 AM

so you've never directly responded to my questions. should we implement this sort of justice in this country?

would we be a better country if we did?

2/22/2009 1:31:37 AM

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""A WOMAN suspected of recruiting more than 80 female suicide bombers has confessed to organising their rapes so she could later convince them that martyrdom was the only way to escape the shame.""

OMG is that true?

Was this discussed here? Link to thread please, or to the news article.

2/22/2009 8:35:17 AM

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"should we implement this sort of justice in this country?"

No, its a slippery slope, the positives are not worth all the baggage it brings along. I mean if you only apply it to cut and dry cases like this one then it might work. Also, what about the doctor bills and making people disabled (blind), who pays for that (taxpayers).

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"would we be a better country if we did?"

No, for reasons mentioned already. I don't want to have to pay doctor bills and send criminals disability checks.


Now, do I think that the guys should get acid in his Eyes? Yes! I do. But obviously doing this sort of punishment is cost prohibitive. I think it would be a very effective deterant for criminals though.

2/22/2009 9:17:26 AM

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"i just can't believe that a forum of americans who presumably believe in the tenants of the constitution can have a second thought as to whether this is an appropriate punishment for a government to hand down."

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"i just can't believe that a forum of americans who presumably believe in the tenants of the constitution can have a second thought as to whether this is an appropriate punishment for a government to hand down."

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"i just can't believe that a forum of americans who presumably believe in the tenants of the constitution can have a second thought as to whether this is an appropriate punishment for a government to hand down."

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"i just can't believe that a forum of americans who presumably believe in the tenants of the constitution can have a second thought as to whether this is an appropriate punishment for a government to hand down."

Wyloch, you, Hoffmaster, and everyone else in this thread that suggests such punishment is in ANY way acceptable are fucking crazy. STFU and GTFO with this crap.

2/22/2009 9:40:41 AM

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"so you've never directly responded to my questions. should we implement this sort of justice in this country? would we be a better country if we did?"

This exact brand? No, I do not think we should. I think Hoff said it best:

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"No, its a slippery slope, the positives are not worth all the baggage it brings along. I mean if you only apply it to cut and dry cases like this one then it might work."

Our justice system right now sucks so bad because people find loopholes and other ways to game the system. The same thing could would happen if we were to implement this kind of system. I think we'd be the exact same country.

[Edited on February 22, 2009 at 10:55 AM. Reason : ]

2/22/2009 10:54:08 AM

I favor country justice.

2/22/2009 12:03:15 PM

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"BridgetSPK: You can't really control the viscera."

AHA, I just learned where most of the viscera are.

It turns out very few visceral reactions actually have anything to do with the viscera.

But I stand by my point. It's stupid to be ashamed of your instincts.

[Edited on February 22, 2009 at 12:05 PM. Reason : ]

2/22/2009 12:04:40 PM