I am currently in the process of quitting, but i work in a smoking environment and most of my friends and family smoke. So far, I have made it since Jan. 15, 2009 and want to get ideas from people living in a similar situation.

I thought I would gain a lot of weight or at least a little, but that doesn't seem to change much at 170lbs. Is that because of the length of time I smoked , approximately 2 years, or rather not related whatsoever to my being 190lbs at one time.

I also think it is criminal to allow smoking indoors while I can't smoke because of health purposes and trying to make money to feed my daughter. Isn't there some right to work act without cutting 10 years off my life by furthering my body's decay?

At the same time, I was raised in Winston-Salem and like I said a lot of friends and family smoke and worked for R.J.R. Tobacco. So I guess I am trying to say I almost feel like a hypocrite when complaining, as I used to call it, about other people trying to heed my right to smoke. Or as it is now where I am the one trying to be able to breathe and live a normal life.

Please no feedback from smokers. Thank you.

[Edited on February 21, 2009 at 11:16 PM. Reason : .]

2/21/2009 10:51:39 PM

I read that if you put salt on your tongue when you get the craving it will take the craving away....I don't smoke so I don't know if it works but you could try it!!

2/21/2009 10:59:23 PM

It's got to be tough trying to quit if you are in a smoke atmosphere. Luckily smoking indoors is banned up here in IL.

Chew Big Red anytime you get the urge because Big Red is awesome.

2/22/2009 1:26:22 AM

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"I also think it is criminal to allow smoking indoors while I can't smoke because of health purposes and trying to make money to feed my daughter. "

NOW you start to feel compassion for the non-smokers b/c you are one????

2/22/2009 3:20:09 PM

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"Isn't there some right to work act without cutting 10 years off my life by furthering my body's decay?"

Yes. It's called "quit your job and work somewhere else". You don't have a right to enjoy smoke-free air on someone else's private property. If your boss wants to burn hair all day, they are free to do so, just as you are free to quit.

Also, it should be pointed out that recent studies have revealed that only a fraction of people get the "full" negative effects from smoking. I know three people over 80 who have smoked their entire lives, and still live a busy and enjoyable life. It is NOT as simple as "smoke = death"

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"Please no feedback from smokers. Thank you."

lol... This is like "I don't want diet advice from fatties"

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"Luckily smoking indoors is banned up here in IL."

For now. That shit is 100% unconstitutional. Enjoy it while you can.

[Edited on February 22, 2009 at 3:31 PM. Reason : ]

2/22/2009 3:29:50 PM

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"For now. That shit is 100% unconstitutional. Enjoy it while you can."

I'd say NC is less than a year away from passing the same laws.....

2/22/2009 4:10:10 PM

constitution > law

2/22/2009 4:16:47 PM

legislating what people do in private venues is very much unconstitutional

2/22/2009 4:35:57 PM

*EDIT: After re-reading the OP I realize this isn't really what you were asking about but it may help*

I have been an ex-smoker since April 2008. (I either smoked or chewed tobacco for about 6 years)

It helped me to go on the patch first and reduce the craving, and at the same time I used chewing sticks to help with the oral fixation (I still use them actually).
http://www.evitamins.com/product.asp?pid=5311

After the patch I went cold turkey and with the help of the chewing sticks and some of the material on this website: http://whyquit.com/whyquit/A_Symptoms.html
I was able to kick it for good.

Don't know if it'll work for you but it's worth a shot. Just remember to keep trying, I went through many unsuccessful attempts at quitting. You need to find what works for you.

[Edited on February 22, 2009 at 4:41 PM. Reason : edit]

2/22/2009 4:37:40 PM

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"legislating what people do in private venues is very much unconstitutional"

sweet i'm gonna up a business and then when i hire people BAM I"M GONNA SHOOT EM IN THE FACE CUS IT"S MY PROPERTER

2/22/2009 4:48:07 PM

yes, because thats obviously what i meant

2/22/2009 4:49:44 PM

yeah i know. i'd much prefer to subject my employees to the slow, deceivingly pleasurable tobacco induced death anyways

2/22/2009 4:51:42 PM

id much prefer to let them do what they want

2/22/2009 4:52:04 PM

well ok but not gay stuff alright

2/22/2009 4:53:26 PM

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"and trying to make money to feed my daughter"

Is this guy B.I.G.G.I.E ?

2/22/2009 7:37:58 PM

I smoke occassionally and its not so bad. I stop and quit all the time. I think its just mental. It's all in your head. but then why commit to not smoking. sometimes I stick to only smoking a cig with a drink in my hand . . . or I get back into exercise and stop cold turkey.

you have to be bigger than nicotine, b.

2/22/2009 7:39:21 PM

I'm not usually one for much regulation about what people can or cannot do on their own property, but indoor smoking causes heavy second hand smoke which is very harmful for employees and customers of the establishment.



Regardless, smoking etiquette is changing anyway. You don't have as many people who smoke inside their homes, cars, or places of work anymore. More and more people choose to smoke outside for whatever reason.

2/22/2009 7:46:27 PM

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"which is very harmful for employees and customers of the establishment"

So what?
It's not their property. If you come onto my property, you have no right to demand that I or anyone else not smoke. Similarly, employees and customers of private businesses have no right to demand that there be no smoking. Period. Period. Customers can choose to spend their money elsewhere. Employees are free to quit whenever they want. The unpopularity of smoking is allowing blatantly unconstitutional laws like the above mentioned indoor smoking bans. Unpopularity doesn't negate the constitution. These laws WILL be overturned. Those that support them are sadly mistaken. Keep in mind, private businesses can have no smoking policies if the wish, and many do. If you don't want to be around smoke, then don't go to or apply for a job at places that allow it. It's that fucking simple.

2/23/2009 8:18:28 AM

No, that's not true. There are completely constitutional laws that require employers to make their establishments clean, sanitary places that people can work in and be safe. If the legislature determines that these laws make smoking in the place illegal, then that's perfectly ok.

Smoking in your home is totally different, do whatever you want there. But it's not as clear cut as you seem to think it is.

[Edited on February 23, 2009 at 11:28 AM. Reason : sanitary]

2/23/2009 11:28:11 AM

i think this is probably the argument the OP was trying to avoid

just sayin

2/23/2009 11:30:23 AM

someone remind me whose alias Willy Nilly is?

dude is a nut or a troll.

2/23/2009 11:37:05 AM

^

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"No, that's not true."

Yes, it is true.

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"There are completely constitutional laws that require employers to make their establishments clean, sanitary places that people can work in and be safe."

No, they are not constitutional.

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"If the legislature determines that these laws make smoking in the place illegal, then that's perfectly ok."

No, it's not ok.

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"Smoking in your home is totally different"

No, it's not. My home is a privately owned building, in which I can do as I please, as long as I don't [without expressed or implied consent] harm anyone's person, property, liberty, or right to the same. Anyone else in my home is obviously welcome to leave whenever they wish. Similarly, people can leave other privately owned buildings whenever they wish. They don't have to buy things there. They don't have to work there. No one has to visit my house. All of this bullshit is 100% unconstitutional. Clearly. It WILL be overturned. I mean, it's fucking crazy -- the government is DICTATING that this privately owned building can legally allow smoking but can't legally sell beer, but this other privately owned building can legally sell beer, but can't legally allow smoking. 100% complete unconstitutional bullshit. Nothing anyone of you can say will change that. Fucking deal with it.

2/23/2009 11:50:39 AM

My vote is for total nut job.

2/23/2009 12:10:01 PM

I would try to go work somewhere else, honestly. It would have been exponentially harder for me to quit smoking if I worked somewhere like that. Start looking now.

I quit smoking two months ago cold turkey. The first month is the worst.

It helps that my friends don't allow smoking in their homes. Then I don't have to watch anyone else have a cigarette, which gives me the worst cravings out of anything.

2/23/2009 12:34:46 PM

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"dude is a nut or a troll."

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"My vote is for total nut job."

It's official. The U.S. Constitution is nuts. It was written by nut jobs.
Revolt and praise our socialist overlords. Smoke 'em if you got 'em.

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"I am currently in the process of quitting... and want to get ideas from people living in a similar situation.... Please no feedback from smokers."

So, are you a smoker, or not?
I mean, you said you're in "the process of quitting". Does that mean you haven't finished quitting?... as in you still smoke? If so, you say you want to "get ideas from people living in a similar situation". In other words, people that still smoke. Right? Then you say you don't want "feedback from smokers". So wait, which is it?

I smoke around 50 cigarettes a year -- am I a smoker?
I've got great advice for quitting -- do you not want it?
I'm not some tobacco company shill. I hate tobacco companies, because they (all?) support the unconstitutional ban on private citizens growing and selling their own tobacco. Let's all do what we can to destroy "big tobacco" companies, and help addicts whom wish to break their addictions, but leave people alone who wish to smoke, as well as private property owners that wish to allow it.

2/23/2009 12:41:55 PM

^i definitely agree 100% with your standpoint of imposing such legislation on private property, but i'm curious what makes you so sure these laws will be reversed? are there individuals or groups making progress in the legal system?

2/23/2009 12:59:21 PM

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"but i'm curious what makes you so sure these laws will be reversed?"

Well, either they'll be reversed, or the constitution amended. Not to sound to sound like a douchebag or anything, but any true american would want the former.

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"are there individuals or groups making progress in the legal system?"

Sure.
I mean, that depends on what you mean by "progress"...
Libertarians, for instance, are the most successful third party in the history of america. (pretty much any way you measure it.)
They're certainly making progress.

I mean, I don't have a magical crystal ball or anything, so I don't know what the future will hold, but freedom and individual liberty have clearly been the best thing to ever happen to mankind. I just don't see that changing.

2/23/2009 1:11:39 PM

find something else to get addicted to.

i know a bunch of people who used to smoke and quit because they started going to the gym. obviously you can't do a lot of cardio exercises if you're a smoker, so that motivated them to quit. endorphins + a better looking body + better general health = profit.

2/23/2009 5:33:08 PM

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"So far, I have made it since Jan. 15, 2009 "

Is that clear enough?

2/23/2009 6:55:15 PM

I don't think i quite understand what the OP is getting at. Do you want advice on how to quit? or how to deal with your job and family?

2/23/2009 7:23:19 PM

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"constitution > law"

ahaha

you keep on thinking that

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"No, they are not constitutional. "

can you please tell me where in the constitution it prohibits laws against smoking on private property?

2/23/2009 8:08:13 PM

Nicotine is some great stuff. After coming out of the fields at the end of the day, I could fall asleep from the hard work and have full-technicolor hallucinatory dreams. I would wake up in a sweat, run to the bathroom and then throw up all over the fucking place until my stomach was completely empty. Then I could have fun all over again the next day. I also enjoyed having ear infections frequently as a child; frequently enough that I could perform self-diagnosis and choose a picture on a chart of about a dozen images of what the doctor would see. Using Willy Nilly's same logic, battery is legal, and you should exercise that right to your fullest extent. Provided you only cause injuries that given time between being battered, will heal. The problem with smoking is that the health effects of it and second hand smoke are cumulative. I have no problem with places that are open-air allowing smoking (outdoor public areas), but smoking in enclosed spaces has irked me. I view smoking in an enclosed area more of a disrespect than an assault, but can live with it fine since I'm no longer in a smoking home. Personally I wouldn't enact legislation against smoking in public establishments as long as they post that smoking is allowed. I believe that education of smoking and public regard to it will eventually cause it to recede to very low levels. Although nicotine seems to be a great coping tool to a stressful work environment where people are increasingly required to meet ever increasing standards of productivity or regulation. Nicotine is one drug that isn't prohibited in the workplace because of the lack of severe negative effects for the employer. Nicotine is available in forms ranging from smoked to smokeless with man-made delivery systems such as lozenges, gums, patches, and inhalers. However, tobacco is far cheaper of a source of the drug than any other source, which is why its dominance is prevalent. Eventually I can foresee that the cost of smoking will exceed that of chewing gum (through taxation) and will most likely become a secondary means of nicotine fulfillment. The effects on the nervous system are peculiar and vary on a personal basis, but are commonly mellowing and relaxing. For me, nicotine will mellow me out, but inhalation of smoke will quickly cause my sensitivity of nicotine to be shown through nausea and other ill effects (detailed above in opening statements). If you haven't tried nicotine, don't; I know many people that have quickly become addicted to the drug and cannot quit. My mother could never shake smoking until the day she died. My grandfather smoked for thirty years and was able to give up smoking by sucking on candy when he had cravings, but he still died from emphysema. Many co-workers (everyone in the entire electric dept.) from my co-op smoked and the few that have tried to quit like nicotine too much to let it go as it makes the day manageable. My surviving grandfather was a tobacco farmer his whole life, and even though he has had all kinds of nicotine dosing from contact only (non-smoker), he has not contracted any diseases nor ill health effects that persist to this day. Perhaps it still stands though that the fewer compounds that affect the nervous system that one comes into contact with, the better. However, this is some legislation that is very hard to administer to the public because of its regulatory nature and implications towards freedom but please don't smoke in enclosed areas if it can be helped, it's an insult. I tell you what though, nicotine is some great stuff.

2/23/2009 8:53:02 PM

start running. that's the only way I decide to totally stop smoking. once I start jogging I realize how much my lungs suffer ... it totally makes me quit. granted when I start running I do it 2-3 times a day until i get all my wind back.

i'm a fanactic like that. when i abuse my body i do it to the max (smoking, drinking, etc). when it's time to get it back to shape I get all Nazi about my food, water and exercise habits.

2/23/2009 8:53:36 PM

^
That's good advice. For me, it was biking though.

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"Nicotine is some great stuff."

Yes. Yes it is. It is a useful medicament, but is also addictive and somewhat harmful if consumed in the form of using tobacco.

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"After coming out of the fields at the end of the day, I could fall asleep from the hard work and have full-technicolor hallucinatory dreams."

I would say that's a plus. I'll often take melatonin to get a similar effect.

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"I would wake up in a sweat, run to the bathroom and then throw up all over the fucking place until my stomach was completely empty. Then I could have fun all over again the next day."

Wow, that's sounds like you were abusing the drug, there. You should be more responsible.

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"I also enjoyed having ear infections frequently as a child; frequently enough that I could perform self-diagnosis and choose a picture on a chart of about a dozen images of what the doctor would see."

Perhaps you're referring to tobacco smoke. Smoking around children is a crime. What's your point? Neither tobacco nor nicotine is to blame for your ear infections, but rather whatever irresponsible adults were exposing you to smoke.

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"Using Willy Nilly's same logic, battery is legal, and you should exercise that right to your fullest extent."

Wrong. In no way has my logic implied that battery is legal.

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"Provided you only cause injuries that given time between being battered, will heal."

Are you forgetting about consent? I guess the injuries BigHitSunday endures when sport fighting are crimes, huh?

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"The problem with smoking is that the health effects of it and second hand smoke are cumulative."

Sure. What's your point? I've never claimed that smoking wasn't unhealthy.

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"I have no problem with places that are open-air allowing smoking (outdoor public areas),"

Although, smokers should be adequately far from doorways, etc. where non-smokers may wish to go.

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"but smoking in enclosed spaces has irked me."

Avoid privately owned "enclosed spaces" where there is smoking. It is the right of people (in privately owned "enclosed spaces" that allow smoking) to smoke if they wish. You, however, don't have to be there. Of course, if you're a minor, and at home, that's certainly different. You aren't old enough to consent.

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"I view smoking in an enclosed area more of a disrespect than an assault,"

How is it disrespectful? Assuming you are in a privately owned building, and the owner allows it, smoking is just fine.

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"but can live with it fine since I'm no longer in a smoking home."

Are you just butthurt? That was a different scenario entirely.

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"Personally I wouldn't enact legislation against smoking in public establishments as long as they post that smoking is allowed."

Privately owned establishments that are "open to the public". Saying "public establishments" implies that they are government entities.

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"I believe that education of smoking and public regard to it will eventually cause it to recede to very low levels."

I could see that.

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"Although nicotine seems to be a great coping tool to a stressful work environment where people are increasingly required to meet ever increasing standards of productivity or regulation."

Indeed. It is a useful medicament. It isn't without it's danger, though.

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"Nicotine is one drug that isn't prohibited in the workplace because of the lack of severe negative effects for the employer."

No. Actually, it is rightfully banned in public [government] workplaces, however it is unconstitutionally banned in privately owned workplaces -- simply because it is unpopular.

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"Nicotine is available in forms ranging from smoked to smokeless with man-made delivery systems such as lozenges, gums, patches, and inhalers. However, tobacco is far cheaper of a source of the drug than any other source, which is why its dominance is prevalent."

Plus, it's "open source", as in, no one owns it. You should be able to grow it yourself.

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"Eventually I can foresee that the cost of smoking will exceed that of chewing gum (through taxation) and will most likely become a secondary means of nicotine fulfillment."

That would be bullshit. Taxes should NOT be used in that way.

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"The effects on the nervous system are peculiar and vary on a personal basis, but are commonly mellowing and relaxing."

True. Not everyone has the same experience.

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"For me, nicotine will mellow me out, but inhalation of smoke will quickly cause my sensitivity of nicotine to be shown through nausea and other ill effects (detailed above in opening statements)."

Well unless you decide that the ill effects are worth getting the nicotine, maybe you might want to quit.

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"If you haven't tried nicotine, don't;"

That's your opinion. Which is welcome. However I'd say, "you shouldn't" instead of "don't". It sounds less bossy.

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"I know many people that have quickly become addicted to the drug and cannot quit."

Exactly. Everyone knows about the addiction potential -- so they know what they might be getting into. Addiction is their fault, not the nicotine's.

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"My mother could never shake smoking until the day she died."

I'm sorry for your loss.

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"My grandfather smoked for thirty years and was able to give up smoking by sucking on candy when he had cravings, but he still died from emphysema."

I'm sorry for your loss.

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"Many co-workers (everyone in the entire electric dept.) from my co-op smoked and the few that have tried to quit like nicotine too much to let it go as it makes the day manageable."

That's their choice.

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"My surviving grandfather was a tobacco farmer his whole life, and even though he has had all kinds of nicotine dosing from contact only (non-smoker), he has not contracted any diseases nor ill health effects that persist to this day. Perhaps it still stands though that the fewer compounds that affect the nervous system that one comes into contact with, the better."

Well, is it the nicotine or the tar that's responsible for most of the ill health effects?

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"However, this is some legislation that is very hard to administer to the public because of its regulatory nature and implications towards freedom"

Exactly. It is 100% wrong to ban smoking in private owned buildings. (Unless a child lives there, duh.)

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"but please don't smoke in enclosed areas if it can be helped, it's an insult."

You really shouldn't ask peopled to not exercise their civil liberties if they so choose. You're the one that is free to leave the privately owned enclosed area that allows smoking. I mean, you can ask if you want, but no one is wrong or disrespectful for not abiding.

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"I tell you what though, nicotine is some great stuff."

Yup. (Oh wait, were you being sarcastic? )

[Edited on February 24, 2009 at 8:23 AM. Reason : ]

2/24/2009 8:18:12 AM

^That is why legislation is being enacted to stop smokers from smoking indoors. It's because people like Willy Nilly over here don't care about being respectful. They think, "Fuck you, I want nicotine, deal with it." Then they hide behind their "logic" like they have some constitutional right to slowly contribute to the deaths of thousands of non smokers worldwide every year and try to play their heavy consciences against your patriotism like you won't see through their bullshit.

I think they all should be locked up for manslaughter.

How many deaths have you contributed to?

2/24/2009 11:40:52 AM

^
Way to miss the point. And nice straw-men. You lose.

Do you actually think that respect has anything to do with it? If anything, people like you are the disrespectful ones.
Namely, you're not respecting the FACT that private property owners can decide if smoking is allowed on their property. Anyone who consents to being around it, isn't being harmed in the legal sense. BigHitSunday presumably gets fairly injured during fights. Are those injuries crimes? Is it disrespectful for consenting fighters to fight? No. You simply don't get the distinction.

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"Fuck you, I want nicotine, deal with it"

LOL. See? You seem to not like smokers. It seems like it's merely their unpopularity on which you're basing your support for these unconstitutional bans.

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"Then they hide behind their "logic" like they have some constitutional right to slowly contribute to the deaths of...."

Why don't you attempt to understand the logic? When BigHitSunday punches a guy repeatedly in the face, he may be slowly contributing to his death. Do you not get the distinction? (It's called consent -- look into it)

Non-smokers that don't want to be around smoke don't have to be. No one is forcing them. As I said earlier, children are a clear exception because they are not old enough to consent. Smoking around them is a crime.

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"try to play their heavy consciences against your patriotism like you won't see through their bullshit."

The only bullshit about it is your position. Why does the government get to DICTATE that this privately owned building can legally allow smoking but can't legally sell beer, but this other privately owned building can legally sell beer, but can't legally allow smoking? Care to explain?

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"I think they all should be locked up for manslaughter."

So if one of BigHitSunday's fighting opponents dies in the ring, and BigHitSunday never broke the agreed upon rules that the fighters consented to in advance, should he be convicted for manslaughter? Do you get it yet?

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"How many deaths have you contributed to?"

Consensually? Many, I suppose. How many deaths has your car exhausts contributed to? (assuming you drive a gasoline-fueled car.)

Non-consensually? None. I don't smoke around children, in non-privately owned enclosed spaces, or in privately owned enclosed spaces that disallow it. I've done nothing wrong.

[Edited on February 24, 2009 at 12:04 PM. Reason : ]

2/24/2009 12:01:46 PM

^Clearly, because that smoke stays on the private property for the rest of its existence.

2/24/2009 12:04:31 PM

^
So I guess we need to ban gasoline-fueled cars. Right?... And wood fires too?
(you lose)

[Edited on February 24, 2009 at 12:06 PM. Reason : ]

2/24/2009 12:05:27 PM

Nope, I said nothing about a ban, did I? I think I'm simply implying a restriction, and yes we should increase restrictions on cars too.

[Edited on February 24, 2009 at 12:09 PM. Reason : Don't get all butt hurt cause I found an argument against your 'private property' bullshit]

2/24/2009 12:07:03 PM

Ok, I'm willing to make a compromise.


Smokers have to walk around and get consent forms signed by everyone they happen to be smoking around every time they start smoking.

That's what BigHitSunday does before he starts hitting people in the face, he gets them to sign consent forms.

Deal?


PLUS, you can't use slippery slope arguments here, it's a bullshit way to be ridiculous and try to make some dumb point.

1) We ARE trying to get rid of gasoline fueled cars, dummy. We can't just ban them all together because our economy would fail, but we're working on it. We don't have the oil to keep it up and it harms to environment and others... We are working on getting rid of gas fueled cars

2) forest fires are illegal, so is burning your trash in a lot of places. We're working on making fires that contribute less to harming others as well.

So if you want to work on technology to make cigarettes have 0 effect on people who aren't smoking them, then you can smoke wherever you want.

[Edited on February 24, 2009 at 12:09 PM. Reason : point two]

2/24/2009 12:07:16 PM

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"Smokers have to walk around and get consent forms signed by everyone they happen to be smoking around every time they start smoking. That's what BigHitSunday does before he starts hitting people in the face, he gets them to sign consent forms"

Walking into a private property that allows smoking IS the consent. Ever been to someone's house, and they light up a smoke? If it bothers you, you can leave. By staying, you're consenting to being around it. If you want to take them to court for exposing you to a few seconds of second hand smoke, go ahead and try.

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"I said nothing about a ban, did I?"

Then why the support for these smoking bans?

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"We can't just ban them all together because our economy would fail, but we're working on it"

So, until then, I presume we're free to sue every driver on public roads for damages to our health from the exhaust....

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"We're working on making fires that contribute less to harming others as well"

So can I burn a wood fire every day in my fireplace? You know that's much much worse than cigarette smoke... right?

LOL, you guys are so wrong about this...
You really need to try to understand the libertarian principle, and stop supporting nanny state bullshit.

[Edited on February 24, 2009 at 12:50 PM. Reason : ]

2/24/2009 12:34:43 PM

Ok, I need everyone's help on this!

If you are ever around Willy Nilly, yell random things (have a conversation if you like) into his right ear. There are surely no rules against yelling in the places where you'll be. Willy Nilly is therefore consenting to having his ears yelled into when he goes to these places. Willy Nilly can leave the area any time he wishes. Until he leaves, yell very loudly right into his right ear for as long as you can, taking breaks as is necessary. Let's see if Willy Nilly begins to think that there should be laws against people yelling close by him as his hearing deteriorates over the next few years.


Surgeon General's Warning: Continuous yelling can cause various throat, lung, and sinus problems.

[Edited on February 24, 2009 at 1:00 PM. Reason : PS - you don't have to quote every line you reply to, Willy... That's annoying as hell]

2/24/2009 1:00:02 PM

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"I need everyone's help"

You need help all-right...

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"yell random things ... into his right ear...., yell very loudly right into his right ear "

LOL, isn't that assault? and maybe disturbing the peace?

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"There are surely no rules against yelling in the places where you'll be."

I would expect rules against yelling to be rather common....

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"Willy Nilly can leave the area any time he wishes"

Well, of course that's true.
However, can you believe some states have a "duty to retreat" law?

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"you don't have to quote every line you reply to, Willy... That's annoying as hell"

OK, I'll skip some. You repeated yourself a bit this time anyway....

[Edited on February 24, 2009 at 1:29 PM. Reason : ]

2/24/2009 1:26:53 PM

If yelling in your ear is assault, I propose that smoking near enough for me to suffer ill affects from it is assault as well.

[Edited on February 24, 2009 at 1:33 PM. Reason : .]

2/24/2009 1:33:17 PM

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"I propose that smoking near enough for me to suffer ill affects from it is assault as well"

Like I said:

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"Ever been to someone's house, and they light up a smoke? If it bothers you, you can leave. By staying, you're consenting to being around it. If you want to take them to court for exposing you to a few seconds of second hand smoke, go ahead and try."

Can I drive my car past you while you're on the sidewalk?
You might suffer "ill affects" (it's effects, not affects.) from my car's exhaust...

[Edited on February 24, 2009 at 1:46 PM. Reason : ]

2/24/2009 1:41:09 PM

hey guise, i think im lost

this thread is in the lounge but it looks like its a quote bomb fest that is common to the soapbox

plz help

2/24/2009 1:48:30 PM

^That's totally Willy's fault

It doesn't just bother me, it hurts me... That makes it battery actually. Battery is illegal everywhere, regardless of whether or not you own the property you do it on.

You can try to sue someone if you want for "harm caused by the exhaust of another's car." It won't pass the first judge who sees it because you "won't be able to prove adequately that your suffering is a direct result of car exhaust caused by people in the area or some other form of pollution." Unless you have a ridiculous lawyer, which is possible.

[Edited on February 24, 2009 at 1:49 PM. Reason : ]

[Edited on February 24, 2009 at 1:52 PM. Reason : ]

2/24/2009 1:49:30 PM

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"It doesn't just bother me, it hurts me... That makes it battery actually"

Quote :

"If you want to take them to court for exposing you to a few seconds of second hand smoke, go ahead and try"

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"Battery is illegal everywhere, regardless of whether or not you own the property you do it on."

So BigHitSunday is a criminal?


[Edited on February 24, 2009 at 1:51 PM. Reason : ]

2/24/2009 1:50:05 PM

No... yet again, BigHitSunday gets EXPRESSED WRITTEN CONSENT from the people who he fights with

2/24/2009 1:52:49 PM

set em up

2/24/2009 1:57:17 PM