man, i just want to write a function to find the last two posts on each page, but some mean ol' troll in Chit Chat says that my function is broken and won't work:

Quote :

"threads that satisfy the condition (50 % posts) <= 2 && (50 % posts) != 0"

of *course* that will work. LOOK, i proved it right here!

50 % 47        = 3
50 % 48        = 2
50 % 49        = 1
50 % 50        = 0

3/5/2009 3:41:21 AM

50 % 3 == 2
50 % 4 == 2
50 % 6 == 2
50 % 7 == 1
50 % 8 == 2
50 % 12 == 2
50 % 16 == 2
50 % 24 == 2
...
50 % 51 == 50
50 % 52 == 50

and so on with numbers above 50.

[Edited on March 5, 2009 at 4:35 AM. Reason : oh, you're bitching at Tiberius. i see.]

3/5/2009 4:29:24 AM

This has got to be most desperate trolling I have ever seen. Have you had a death in the family or something?

3/5/2009 9:20:03 AM

Quote :

" use [of the modulo operator] is considered unnecessary obfuscation and poor programming practice in most cases, as well. --Tiberius"

damn, dude, are you serious??? you just keep digging deeper and deeper. you really need to learn this shit.

http://legacy.cs.uu.nl/daan/download/papers/divmodnote.pdf



hey, were you the guy he interviewed? \/

http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=119859&cid=10108597





[Edited on March 5, 2009 at 10:54 AM. Reason : ]

3/5/2009 10:29:25 AM

Any reason you're using modulo in a case where it's identical to subtraction except for giving more false positives?

3/5/2009 10:59:31 AM

ask Tiberius to explain it to you. that ought to be good.

3/5/2009 11:08:49 AM

give joe_schmoe a day timeout and delete this crap for him acting like a little baby

what a ridiculous way to go about things

3/5/2009 11:12:04 AM

Quote :

"delete this crap for him acting like a little baby what a ridiculous way to go about things"

^^^ modulus is the correct operator for this particular task, not subtraction.

3/5/2009 11:14:28 AM

Oh, sorry Omar. I didnt realize you had a dog in this fight.

so, it's not an appropriate topic for TT? we have a new expert who has just disposed of the modulo operator.

i think that has far-reaching implications.


but whatever, i probably need a break from all this grabassery, anyhow.



[Edited on March 5, 2009 at 11:17 AM. Reason : ]

3/5/2009 11:15:37 AM

don't worry - there won't ever be any confusion - i never have a dog in a fight on a message board...

3/5/2009 11:18:30 AM

Quote :

"ALL THIS GRABASSERY"

3/5/2009 11:19:02 AM

ibtl/suspend

3/5/2009 11:20:40 AM

This is a really strange trolling effort.

3/5/2009 11:27:09 AM

i know right. at first i was intrigued and maybe a little excited to see a thread about modulus, but then i kept reading the thread and my brow began to furrow and my e-dick got limp. very disappointing indeed

3/5/2009 11:37:29 AM

I'm just all kinds of

modulus is my favorite operator.

Also, joe is right, Tiberius is wrong on every level in this

3/5/2009 12:58:49 PM

agreed

[Edited on March 5, 2009 at 1:11 PM. Reason : ASSERT(joe_schmoe % Tiberius == programming knowledge);]

3/5/2009 1:04:45 PM

so i dont look like a retard to someone wandering in this thread... here's the starting point from the original, epic, 3am, ChitChat, e-peen battle:

message_topic.aspx?topic=560116&page=3#12693473

beware, there's a lot of

3/5/2009 1:20:00 PM

MOV AX, 203   ; AX = 00CBh
MOV BL, 50
DIV BL        ; AL = 4 , AH = 3
RET

3/5/2009 1:25:07 PM

oh, snap

3/5/2009 1:44:27 PM

#define MOD(divis,divid)       divis - divid * floor(divis / divid)

3/5/2009 1:49:13 PM

wouldn't you do the mod in the opposite order that you have:

if(mod(post,50)==49.or.mod(post,50)==48) then blah


so that mod(47,50) = 47
mod(48,50) = 48
mod(49,50) = 49
mod(149,50) = 49
mod(2,50) = 2

etc. . .

3/5/2009 2:15:23 PM

^that's method/language specific. Joe is referring to modulus as an operator.

3/5/2009 3:30:02 PM

Quote :

"This is a really strange trolling effort."

inorite... i didn't understand it at all when i initially replied...

Quote :

"i know right. at first i was intrigued and maybe a little excited to see a thread about modulus, but then i kept reading the thread and my brow began to furrow and my e-dick got limp. very disappointing indeed"

i thought he was being serious in the OP
then i realized it was trolling and i was all

i, for one, love the modulus. one of the first programs i ever made involved a very intricate tree of if/ifelse/else loops to figure out what denomination and quantity of coins would give the fewest total number of coins in change i think i was like 11

3/5/2009 3:45:21 PM

i don't know what sort of tomfoolery is going on here. but was my post wrong? i can accept that order of the arguments can change from language to language. but in any case, isn't the method that i propose different (and more correct) than the OP?

i get the feeling though that i'm missing some awesome joke because i don't care to look back through joe's post history in chit chat while at work.

3/5/2009 4:04:02 PM

^ no, you're absolutely right. and which i merely pointed that out to Tiberius when this whole thing started

who rather than look at it and say "oh, yeah, you're right" instead went into a tizzy fit insisting that modulus operators do indeed work in this backasswards manner he dreamed up.

when he finally ran out of chestbeating, he claimed that it's just silly "pseudocode" that, in some desperate bid for attention, I subjected to "exhaustive verification"

particularly funny, since he actually wrote a script to "verify" his function and posted the results. divisors up to 50. That was his "proof". LOL when the rest of the world can just see it is broken by inspection.

of course, then there's his assertion that the modulus is "unnecessary obfuscation" and that real programmers decline to use it as it is "poor programming practice."

well, i don't know what the hell to make out of THAT




[Edited on March 5, 2009 at 4:12 PM. Reason : ]

3/5/2009 4:11:44 PM

ok. i figured i was missing something.

3/5/2009 4:12:51 PM

Don't forget that he thinks because he can compile C with a C++ compiler means he knows C++ too.

3/5/2009 4:15:18 PM

Oh God,

joe_schmoe is pissed!

3/5/2009 4:15:28 PM

Quote :

"joe_schmoe: if youre going to have those conditionals, you need to write it as if ( 50 - posts % 50 <= 2 && 50 - post % 50 > 0 ) but that's kind of dumb, it would be more sensible to write it as if ( posts % 50 >= 48 )"

Quote :

"Tiberius: ^^^uh, my logic is correct now, but please keep trying: (root@I023)-(/) $ for ((x=47;x<=50;x++)); do echo 50 % $x = $((50 % $x)); done 50 % 47 = 3 50 % 48 = 2 50 % 49 = 1 50 % 50 = 0 I do admin and code professionally. I don't perform modulo calculations professionally. When I need a modulo calculator I will be sure to ring up joe_schmoe. [Edited on March 5, 2009 at 3:04 AM. Reason : *snicker*] "

Quote :

"Tiberius: Modulo is not a mathematical operator "

Quote :

"Tiberius: here's a cookie for being the pedantic ass"

joe_schmoe:

3/5/2009 4:19:26 PM

hey.

we all see your point, and it's completely valid. you are correct.

however, when you keep reiterating the same things over and over again in an attempt to make Tiberius look even worse, you lose credibility.

just sayin'.

3/5/2009 4:25:13 PM

sorry. I come from TSB. us people are dicks over there.

It'd be one thing if he just argued the technical merits. but i get a little uppity when someone essentially calls me a stupid cocksucker, when that person doesnt know wtf they're talking about.

i mean if it were me, i'd be like O RLY? and re-look at my code rather than get personally offended and jump down someones throat ready to fight because the technical accuracy of some code snipped was questioned.

its this "tribal knowledge" mentality, rather than problem solving, that i find to be common with technicians and others lacking a formal engineering training.








[Edited on March 5, 2009 at 4:34 PM. Reason : ]

3/5/2009 4:26:01 PM

damn i thought this was a thread about modulus

[Edited on March 5, 2009 at 5:02 PM. Reason : s]

3/5/2009 4:57:54 PM

doesn't the compiler convert mod statements to signed addition and shifts anyway?

3/5/2009 7:13:28 PM

who cares what the compiler does? Its self-documenting to use modulo

3/5/2009 7:15:56 PM

holy fuck, is joe_schmoe still beating off about this? For everyone's reference, the post this is about:

"

Quote :

"BECAUSE NOBODY READS THE 48TH POST"

ATTN: threads that satisfy the condition (50 % posts) <= 2 && (50 % posts) != 0"

This post was made at 3AM, in Chit Chat, on a week (mid-terms here) where I've had approximately 12 hours of sleep. Yes, I was completely wrong in the implementation, I had a brain fart and have no problem admitting that. It's obviously not the first time I've encountered modulo, however, nor does it insinuate I provide Windows desktop support.

Joe proceded to derail the thread the post was made in for 2 pages discussing this lapse of logic, how I must obviously work as a Windows tech, and he's now made a seperate TT thread about it. This after Joe was attempting to troll d7freestyler regarding a randomly generated image in the same thread. Someone please give this man some attention before he hurts himself.

Quote :

"It'd be one thing if he just argued the technical merits. but i get a little uppity when someone essentially calls me a stupid cocksucker"

HOW IRONIC, my first response to you:

Quote :

"not quite threads that are on post 49 or 48"

Your immediate response:

Quote :

""not quite" my ass go back to CSC 114 OMG FUCKING HELL NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"

I didn't insult you or direct any vulgarity at you until you became a huge flaming douche, and you continued to be a huge flaming douche throughout the discussion, up to the point of pointlessly reposting the thread in TT:

Quote :

"you dont write code professionally, i take it? that's okay. at least you're trying.... stick with it, you'll get better. if you want me to recommend some tutorials for you i know some free ones you can do on teh internets."

Quote :

"Don't beat yourself up about it though. Really, it's okay. Arithmetic Operators can be confusing for beginning programmers."

Quote :

"but, hey! I'm sure you're really good at stringing and terminating some CAT5. And I'll wager you can batch-install some mean AV software definitions, too. Don't be embarrassed. Most of you front-line IT guys don't really need to write code anyhow, just a few macros and maybe a perl or python script now and then. everyone understands this."

For the record, I've never worked as a network tech or in desktop support

I have, however, worked as a developer at two companies and for countless contracts, a Unix admin, a ClearCase admin, and supported a security and robustness testing initiative. Tell you what, though, PM me your contact details and I'll be sure to include you as a reference in the future, so you can let them know about that time you totally pwned me with regard to modulo in The Wolf Web's general discussion section.

[Edited on March 5, 2009 at 11:56 PM. Reason : not sure why I keep biting at this troll, sympathy attention I suppose ]

3/5/2009 11:52:39 PM

the further this progresses

the more of an ass joe_schmoe makes of himself

the more i start agreeing with Tiberius.

this simple (and admitted) mistake did not warrant such an attempt at trolling.

3/5/2009 11:54:33 PM

This is why no one goes to Soap Box

3/5/2009 11:59:25 PM

if there ever was a thread that legitimately deserved the carlface

3/6/2009 12:06:53 AM

my work is done here.

3/6/2009 10:22:27 AM

Quote :

""

3/6/2009 10:35:53 AM

Quote :

"damn, dude, are you serious??? you just keep digging deeper and deeper. you really need to learn this shit."

I was serious. I obviously know what a modulus is and when to use it. Aside from the proper application of modulo at 3AM, pretty much everything you've said about it has been factually inaccurate. It's not a basic arithmetic operation, not directly related to Euclidean division, and in computer science vaguely implies any of several mathematical operations. The first line of your own source agrees:

There exist many definitions of the div and mod functions in computer science literature and programming languages.

As a consequence it's slower than equivalent operations on many platforms as smoothcrim insinuated, and yields inconsistent in its results for arguments <0, with language- and hardware-dependant variations:



For example, the modulo of powers of 2 can alternatively be expressed as a bitwise AND operation x % 2n == x & (2n - 1).

In some compilers, the modulo operation is implemented as mod(a, n) = a - n * floor(a / n). When performing both modulo and division on the same numbers, one can get the same result somewhat more efficiently by avoiding the actual modulo operator, and using the formula above on the result, avoiding an additional division operation.

Being too lazy to find specific examples of it being good practice vs poor practice, I'll take the statistical approach:

Results 1 - 10 of about 447,000 for modulo good practice. (0.21 seconds)
Results 1 - 10 of about 5,980,000 for modulo bad practice. (0.33 seconds)

Quote :

"my work is done here."

If your "work" was being a huge flaming douche, beating dick while harping on a minor error, and stifling a legitimate technical discussion then yes you were pretty thorough.

[Edited on March 6, 2009 at 12:35 PM. Reason : .]

3/6/2009 12:26:49 PM

NOBODY CARES

STFU EVERYBODY

3/6/2009 12:28:43 PM

Results 1 - 10 of about 27,500 for modulo operator bad practice. (0.32 seconds)
Results 1 - 10 of about 73,600 for modulo operator good practice. (0.14 seconds)

3/6/2009 12:56:39 PM

Quote :

"Being too lazy to find specific examples of it being good practice vs poor practice, I'll take the statistical approach: Results 1 - 10 of about 447,000 for modulo good practice. (0.21 seconds) Results 1 - 10 of about 5,980,000 for modulo bad practice. (0.33 seconds)"

oh em jesus

3/6/2009 1:24:29 PM

Quote :

"NOBODY CARES STFU EVERYBODY"

3/6/2009 1:40:12 PM

Quote :

"I have, however, worked as a developer at two companies and for countless contracts, a Unix admin, a ClearCase admin, and supported a security and robustness testing initiative."

I swear... they should rename this section "Admin Talk" because it seems like there's only one or two of us who aren't network admins.

blech.

[Edited on March 6, 2009 at 1:51 PM. Reason : s]

3/6/2009 1:41:30 PM

TIBERIUS I WANT YOU TO POST YOUR LINKED IN ACCOUNT IMMEDIATELY


































because i want to join your professional network.

let's be friends again.

i miss the days we used to hang out and shit.








[Edited on March 6, 2009 at 1:59 PM. Reason : ]

3/6/2009 1:57:43 PM

Quote :

" I swear... they should rename this section "Admin Talk" because it seems like there's only one or two of us who aren't network admins. "

which is ever so hilarious because Tiberius fits the stereotype of "self-important overcompensating sysadmin" so perfectly. How does it feel to be competing with Wake Tech grads on a day to day basis ?

3/6/2009 2:02:15 PM

Quote :

"Tiberius fits the stereotype of "self-important overcompensating sysadmin" so perfectly."

Yea I actually just said basically that same thing to joe_schmoe in a PM

3/6/2009 2:05:48 PM

nobody reads the 49th post

3/6/2009 2:32:38 PM