This bitch thought she could smack a peace officer of the law around. She didn't count on the officer's bravery in quickly bringing the threat she posed to his life, and to public order, to a decisive end.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDg_IFHEau0

Let this be a lesson to any of you civilian maggots out there who think you can cop an attitude with an officer of the law.

3/5/2009 3:23:08 PM

i'm surprised you didn't find this ever-so appropriately titled thread
http://thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=559973

3/5/2009 3:30:00 PM

message_topic.aspx?topic=559973

However, yours does include the hilarious youtube comments.

Quote :

"if a white person hit this public housing welfare slut with their shoes they would be charged with a hate crime for hitting an afro -american or else the slut and her gang of criminals would brutally beat whoever threw their shoes at her. how many white kids did? this slut beat up simple because they were white and she was angry that she is mixed and not 100% white? because she is black, female underage she wants to assault people and this cop taught her a lesson in respect."

3/5/2009 3:30:19 PM

wow

3/5/2009 3:47:01 PM

he certainly showed her

3/5/2009 10:13:28 PM

you know, being a cop yourself, I'm not sure I'd want to be sarcastic about an act of brutality like this. Not sure it's helping your cause

3/5/2009 10:23:09 PM

Son, if you think this is brutality, you haven't experienced life.

3/5/2009 11:18:19 PM

When will people learn to NOT fuck with cops?

3/5/2009 11:25:25 PM

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/03/02/2504514.htm

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"A US police deputy has pleaded not guilty to assaulting a 15-year-old girl in a holding cell after the release of surveillance video of the incident. Deputy Paul Schene, 31, is accused of beating the young suspected car thief in a holding cell at Seattle-Tacoma City Hall on November 29 last year. Local TV reports that he has pleaded not guilty to fourth-degree assault and has gone on paid administrative leave. Surveillance video pictures show the girl being led into the cell, before kicking her left shoe out the door in the direction of Schene and another deputy. Two deputies are then seen storming into the cell. The girl ends up facing a wall next to the toilet. Schene is then seen apparently pulling the girl's hair as she falls to the ground, face first. It then appears that Schene hits the girl twice while she is on the ground. The local sheriff's office would not comment on the video, which was released under a court order based on a legal request by the television station. "

3/5/2009 11:34:22 PM

moAr news coverage:

Video:
http://www.king5.com/video/index.html?nvid=337102

Description:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29447833/

Quote :

"TUKWILA, Wash. – Former neighbors of a teenage girl shown in a video of an alleged deputy assault saw the video for the first time today. Prosecutors charged Deputy Paul Schene with fourth-degree assault after he was seen on tape roughing up the 15-year-old suspect. The girl was arrested after police said she stole a car from a woman she lived with.Watch the report."

And in case he edits this:

Quote :

"Republican18 All American 15560 Posts user info edit post he certainly showed her"

3/5/2009 11:37:37 PM

3/5/2009 11:56:46 PM

what the fuck were those pigs thinking.

from a cops perspective what the hell were those guys thinking....

3/6/2009 12:06:02 AM

Congratulations, Megaloman, you've found an example of police brutality.

Please, give me a few months to find an example of private enterprise taking advantage of a person. Or, hell, an example of private businessmen beating the shit out of somebody.

People are shit.

3/6/2009 2:04:44 AM

^ who the fuck was trying to turn this into a privage vs. public, Liberal vs. Libertarian argument?

oh right, you are, and nobody else. What's your damn point?

3/6/2009 8:10:37 AM

^Megaloman84 doesn't post that often, but a lot of what he does post is part of his one massive argument against the police and the government in general...he is probably one of the more extreme libertarians that post here.

He wants people to protect themselves, and if they don't have the stomach for it, he believes they should hire out their own private security.

[Edited on March 6, 2009 at 8:32 AM. Reason : ]

3/6/2009 8:29:30 AM

Quote :

"who the fuck was trying to turn this into a privage vs. public, Liberal vs. Libertarian argument? oh right, you are, and nobody else. What's your damn point?"

I agree. This isn't the first time I've seen GrumpyGOP make someone else's argument for them. He is such a fucking douchebag.

...And he's not even correct in his comparison: Someone who's a victim of the police (or other public sector,) has markedly less rights and legal opportunities to seek justice than someone who who is a victim of someone else in the private sector. Apples and fucking oranges. If Megaloman84 was trying to make that point, GrumpyGOP just supported it.

Quote :

"he is probably one of the more extreme libertarians that post here. He wants people to protect themselves, and if they don't have the stomach for it, he believes they should hire out their own private security."

Are you saying that him wanting that is an example of extreme libertarianism, or an example of some opinion that is extreme?

[Edited on March 6, 2009 at 9:06 AM. Reason : ]

3/6/2009 9:04:54 AM

^You gotta understand there are several people on here who are broken records.

I don't know exactly what I was saying. I'm doing some of my first reading about libertarianism--Hospers--for class right now.

I'm really uninterested in arguing or posting about this topic. I was just trying to shed some light to agentlion on GrumpyGOP's response to Megaloman84.

If you'll excuse me...

[Edited on March 6, 2009 at 9:25 AM. Reason : ]

3/6/2009 9:22:19 AM

Quote :

"^Megaloman84 doesn't post that often, but a lot of what he does post is part of his one massive argument against the police and the government in general...he is probably one of the more extreme libertarians that post here."

Just to clarify, the terminology is not "extreme libertarianism", as I understand it he calls himself an anarcho-capitalist. Although I recognize "extreme libertarian" would be descriptive. That is all.

3/6/2009 9:57:40 AM

While I admire Megaloman's cynical eye on the state, I think we part company on the need for gov't.

There is a legitimate need for a limited amount of gov't. Police, Armed forces and a court system. We have given the police the right to use force- deadly force if needed. And because of theatm we must be ever alert to instances of abuse of that power.

The fact that this is an isolated incident doesn't matter. When representatives of the state abuse their power, thay should face swift and appropriate justice from the public they serve.

3/6/2009 10:49:58 AM

Quote :

"who the fuck was trying to turn this into a privage vs. public, Liberal vs. Libertarian argument? "

Occasionally I'm a victim of following trends. For example, when 299 out of Megaloman's last 300 posts have been anarchist ramblings about the need to privatize everything, I tend to expect that 300th to follow in the same vein.

There's already a couple of threads about the police brutality aspect on here. I'm aware it was brutal. Fuck those cops in the ear.

3/6/2009 10:59:03 AM

so many whiny pricks in this country. Prison isn't supposed to be a country club. Nothing wrong with cops dishing out what they so frequently receive.

3/6/2009 11:02:26 AM

Quote :

"when 299 out of Megaloman's last 300 posts have been anarchist ramblings about the need to privatize everything, I tend to expect that 300th to follow in the same vein."

...fair enough

3/6/2009 11:07:57 AM

that wasn't prison.

That was a local lock-up.

3/6/2009 11:08:12 AM

Quote :

"so many whiny pricks in this country. Prison isn't supposed to be a country club. Nothing wrong with cops dishing out what they so frequently receive."

Ok. The cop has permission to kick his left shoe off at the girl.

3/6/2009 11:15:46 AM

^^so?

3/6/2009 1:04:50 PM

^People in prison are theoretically guilty.

This is generally different from jail where people are theoretically not guilty yet.

It is sometimes important that you distinguish between these populations when you consider the way they are treated, especially if you advocate cops "dishing it out" on people.

[Edited on March 6, 2009 at 2:34 PM. Reason : ]

3/6/2009 2:31:46 PM

If you're a respectable human being you will cooperate with the officers that detained you (innocent or not). And you will have your day in court to make your case for innocence. But if you are going to harass, attack, or otherwise be uncooperative to law enforcement officers... well may you rest in peace.

3/6/2009 3:05:38 PM

Quote :

"But if you are going to harass, attack, or otherwise be uncooperative to law enforcement officers... well may you rest in peace."

its your right to be uncooperative to a certain extent....aka, right to remain silent in the face of their questioning after being arrested. But physicality is never a good idea.

3/6/2009 3:14:01 PM

I'm not talking about being silent either.

3/6/2009 3:17:09 PM

The cop clearly over-reacted and will need to be disciplined. Notice how he returned to the scene shortly afterwards? He knew he fucked up.

3/6/2009 3:23:01 PM

^^^^I disagree.

Whether or not guilty people deserve a "dishing out," for some reason, remains up for debate.

However, there is no debate on whether or not cops can dish it out on people who are not guilty. Everybody agrees cops can't go blowing off steam in that manner.

And the young woman in this video is technically not guilty. Assuming that video proves she did in fact "assault" the officer by kicking her shoe off at him, there are still defenses she could have mounted in court that would have provided for her innocence. Essentially, she's not guilty until the court says otherwise (which you seem to agree with).

There are situations in which a police officer can ethically get physical with a person--self-defense, for example. But the sixteen year-old girl in the video appears to pose no threat to the safety of the officer so it seems that he was in the wrong when he roughed her up. These circumstances were likely part of the basis for the charges brought against the officer, and now he'll have an opportunity to defend himself.

3/6/2009 3:40:51 PM

Was this girl a part of the "Millenials" generation?

3/6/2009 3:56:10 PM

Nothing can erase the fact that she got her ass whooped.

3/6/2009 4:00:45 PM

You can tell that cop was desperately waiting for an excuse to beat the shit out of that girl. I'm sure she was being a whiny cunt the whole time before the shoe incident. Too bad that he couldn't control himself though.

3/6/2009 7:20:49 PM

I fully support being uncooperative with cops. Apart from practical reasons, why they hell should we cooperate?

3/6/2009 8:04:27 PM

they should be criminally prosecuted and then fired.

if they did that with several cameras rolling, imagine what they are capable of when there are no cameras rolling, out on the streets or in the jungle.

and if you did get beaten up or shot by them with no cameras rolling, you know you can't just finger a cop... cuz all cops are angels.

3/6/2009 8:18:49 PM

for the record, i was not sticking up for the dude, i merely made a sarcastic joke....my bad.

3/6/2009 10:47:53 PM

Quote :

"I fully support being uncooperative with cops. Apart from practical reasons, why they hell should we cooperate?"

Easy, so you don't get your ass kicked in a holding cell like the 15 yr girl. Or so you don't get 50 night sticks to your face a la rod king. Cooperate for practical reasons. Its the only reason you need.


[Edited on March 6, 2009 at 11:14 PM. Reason : Just caught the "Apart from practical reasonss" bit.]

3/6/2009 11:10:45 PM

I'm don't know whether to be more angry at that police officer for not being able to control himself or more angry at the fact that that girl was probably being a cunt and deserved a good beat down but will now get a nice settlement instead.

3/7/2009 12:22:57 AM

I'm angry that they didn't beat her a little more. She got a killer deal. I mean, for that kind of money, you should atleast come away with a few broken ribs and some bloody gashes. Folks walk into boxing rings for less money.

[Edited on March 7, 2009 at 12:51 AM. Reason : $$$]

3/7/2009 12:50:46 AM

i cant watch this video because it makes me feel all violent inside

3/7/2009 4:01:00 PM

Quote :

"if they did that with several cameras rolling, imagine what they are capable of when there are no cameras rolling, out on the streets or in the jungle."

probably what bothers me most about the whole thing

i mean the guy is that fucking unstable inside the jail where he knows there are hundreds of cameras how is he gonna act on the street..?

3/8/2009 9:21:00 AM

Oh no, those mean cops! I can't imagine all the mean things that our public police forces do to people when they are in the "jungle" or in the "streets" when cameras are not around watching their every move. Because people on the streets are such angels and can do no wrong. Our policemen and women are sooooo mean. Its like "us" versus "them". Nevermind the other 43578437843873428743 instances where they are disrespected and treated poorly. This one case exemplifies the evilness that entails our police in general.... WAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

/sarcastic rant

Seriously though. Of course this officer should be punished. Stuff like is relatively rare and some of you act like we shouldn't respect police and that there is some villian behind the badge.

Quit being such a pussy and get out more!

3/8/2009 1:27:40 PM

Well, no, if we assume you are right and that this type of behavior is very rare then you should not get out more, as the more you are out the greated the likelihood of running into a rare police officer that will beat your ass for the slightest offence.

3/8/2009 1:41:43 PM

Quote :

"Well, no, if we assume you are right and that this type of behavior is very rare then you should not get out more, as the more you are out the greated the likelihood of running into a rare police officer that will beat your ass for the slightest offence."

No, you are misconstruing logic. I have lived in Miami, FL for the last five years. A city where police are probably more aggressive than most places. Likely because they encounter more assholes in a city like this. But in reality, police brutality is not commonplace and police officers do not wake up in the morning planning to beat up 15 year old girls. For every 100 police officers, there is 1 that probably does not belong to have a badge. Unfortunately, there is less acceptable room for error in this profession. Rather than having a bunch of internet jockeys spew anti-police garbage, they should get out more and realize that police officers are not always going to be perfect people but they are usually quite professional.

I've been pulled over and I have dealt with police here- in fact quite recently when I needed them. I do not like dealing with them, but I am going to let them do their job and show them some respect. Even though I may/not be older or more educated or a different race than the officer who I am dealing with, I'm going to show him/her respect and give them 100% cooperation so that he/she can do their job and move along. If the officer is out of line, confronting them and giving them lip service is not going to help the situation. That is potentially going to bring out the worst 1% and make things difficult for all parties. Its common sense!

3/8/2009 2:51:53 PM

yeah don't piss off that 1% that are psychopaths and are trusted with weapons and public security. you don't want that! just pay them your tax dollars and move along, just like you would a Don.



even 1% is too much of a risk.

3/8/2009 3:02:42 PM

and the story gets richer...

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/402005_schene03.html

Quote :

"Teen talks about jail-cell beating Auto-theft charge awaits The 15-year-old girl might have been sassing the officer, and the sneaker she kicked off could have hit his shin. She might have, as accused, even stolen a car. Yet, scores of people around the world who have watched on the Internet and television a veteran King County Sheriff's deputy beating the girl last fall say they don't care. The outrage has become as viral as the holding-cell video clearly displaying the act. As interest in the case builds, the girl and her father appeared Monday on a CBS morning news show. Malika Calhoun said during the interview on "The Early Show" that she screamed as the deputy kicked her, shoved her against a wall and tossed her to the floor. "It was horrible, like my head hit the wall when he first came in and kicked me," she said, appearing with her father, Curtiss Calhoun of Covington. "And then he ... threw me to the ground, was pulling my hair constantly." Malika Calhoun and another 15-year-old girl were arrested after they were caught Nov. 29 driving without headlights in a Dodge Stratus that belonged to Alissa Stewart, the mother of another friend. Calhoun had been living with the Stewarts. The Stewart daughter was not in the car when Calhoun took it without permission, court documents say. It had been reported stolen. Calhoun faces an auto-theft charge in King County Juvenile Court, where a hearing is set for Wednesday. Lawyers proposed that she receive a deferred disposition, which would allow charges to be dismissed if she obeys court orders, Prosecutor's Office spokesman Dan Donohoe said Monday. "I think that's pretty standard in juvenile court," he said. The Seattle P-I typically doesn't name juvenile defendants, but Calhoun identified herself on television Monday. After requests from the P-I and other media, the Sheriff's Office disclosed a video last week showing Deputy Paul Schene pummeling Calhoun inside a holding cell at SeaTac City Hall. Another deputy is shown as he enters the cell and helps restrain Calhoun after she is already facedown on the floor. Schene, 31, pleaded not guilty last week to misdemeanor assault and remains on paid administrative leave. In her interview, Calhoun said Schene asked her to remove her shoe, and when she kicked it at him, he told her she had assaulted him. "And that's when he charged in and started beating me. And I was yelling. I was like, 'This isn't -- I'm not resisting, I'm not resisting.' And he said, whether you're resisting or not, that was assault," she said. She said they'd exchanged words all night. The deputy recommended charges of third-degree assault and auto theft against Calhoun. A detective assigned to follow up saw the video and immediately flagged it for supervisors. The Sheriff's Office is reviewing Schene's report and the report of the second deputy, Travis Brunner, as part of the internal investigation that could result in discipline, a spokesman said Monday. Brunner and Schene's reports both said the shoe struck Schene in the right shin, causing "bruising, bleeding and pain." Schene is a field-training officer, which means he was paid extra while a trainee was under his supervision. Brunner, a rookie then with less than a year on the job, told investigators that Calhoun became "real lippy" when told she was under arrest, and called the officers "fat pigs." The Sheriff's Office also will examine whether what Brunner wrote in his report complied with department policies. "Everything is being investigated, including his involvement in reporting or not reporting it. That's going to be looked at," Sheriff's Sgt. Jim Laing said. The internal investigation, which might determine whether Schene keeps his job, is on hold until the criminal case is finished. Schene faces up to a year in jail if convicted. Brunner does not face criminal charges. The P-I initially reported the car belonged to Calhoun's mother, because Schene's report said the owner referred to Calhoun as her daughter. Court documents say Calhoun moved in with the Stewart family because she was having difficulty at home. Stewart's daughter, 16, received a text message at 3 a.m. from Calhoun, telling her that the two girls had been arrested, court documents say. Curtiss Calhoun called the video "disturbing," saying he didn't see it until he came home from work Friday. "As far as what happens to him, I wouldn't like to see him work as a police officer anymore. I don' think that's the job for him, based on the way he reacted," Calhoun told CBS. This is not the first time the deputy's actions on duty have been questioned. Schene fatally shot a mentally ill man in 2006 after a traffic stop struggle on Interstate 5. It was the second shooting of his career, although both were ruled as justified. While on paid leave after the 2006 shooting, Schene was stopped for drunken driving. He registered a .04 percent blood alcohol level during a test, but had been drinking and taking prescription medications. He was suspended for two days and a received a deferred sentence, public records say."

Apparently our heroic police officer -protector of the peace- not only did our society a great favor by quelling the rampage of a dangerous teen girl, but did so at GREAT physical risk to himself, involving bruising, bleeding and pain. And this 'seasoned' cop, of course, knew better than to listen to her screams of surrendering and non-resistance.

And oh heavens, the terribly disproportionate punishment! This hero is now faced with a year in jail and being fired. Can you imagine being fired for that? And think if the roles were reversed - what kind of felony slap on the wrist would that girl have gotten? He should be let off and given a medal. Why not let them all go back to normal, get a round of beer, drive around drunk, and kill some more disabled citizens?

I mean, you can review for yourself the bloody shoe throw in the original video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDg_IFHEau0

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Shoot, it's difficult just to remain sarcastic about this junk. Our society has far too many people trying to rationalize egregious mishaps and abuses of power. My advice to this dumb cop is to use that right to remain silent, which he obviously isn't doing right now. This is fuel to the fire, and he needs to get burned at the stake.

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I have to rant more. The pro-cop people don't get what the problem is here. Note that his 'trainee' also argued in his report that the shoe throw was very harmful to the aggressor cop. Why? And why is the aggressor cop still defending himself to the media? Remember the other thread about how cops "don't rat out other cops"? Well, this seems to be reinforcing that. No matter what happens, stick to the story that nobody in the force did anything wrong - that's the impression that we get.

When this kind of thing happens, the district needs to cut out the bad cop. Don't defend him, and don't make excuses. If you'll allow me to get figurative, if this arm of the law has started abusing power, then sever it. Our municipal leadership needs to value the trust the public has in them. This 'problem' of people being so anti-cop is because they've failed to do that.

[Edited on March 8, 2009 at 3:59 PM. Reason : ]

3/8/2009 3:48:25 PM

Quote :

"Brunner and Schene's reports both said the shoe struck Schene in the right shin, causing "bruising, bleeding and pain."

ha, right. i'd love to see pictures of that.

What, did she have knives embedded in her soles?

3/8/2009 3:53:32 PM

.04 is drunk driving?

3/8/2009 7:37:44 PM

^He was also under the influence of prescription medication.

Depending on the chemsitry involved with the substances he took that can technically be a DUI.

The point is that he was stopped for drunken driving, which supposedly means his driving was affected enough to get pulled over. Also, the fact that he was actually punished for it means it was likely pretty serious. Cops drive drunk as much as anybody else, but they tend to be more lenient with one another about it unless it's serious.

It's a very stressful job, and from the sound of it, Schene was under a particularly large amount of stress when he was pulled for suspicion of drunk driving.

3/8/2009 7:51:10 PM