Seems like a way to charge hippies extra for stuff. Anyone on here do a raw diet?

3/19/2009 5:38:30 AM

I DO EVERYTHING RAW AS FUCK

3/19/2009 5:47:28 AM

I'm taking nutrition, and this was discussed.
It's pointless and not healthy. The reason people do this is because they think all the enzymes you need are in the food and these are destroyed by the cooking process. Cooking food may destroy the enzymes, but your body makes enough of these already. Raw veggies and fruits are good to eat, but should not be one's only source of food.

3/19/2009 8:58:41 AM

paging simonn



the only merit i would be able to find in raw diets would be avoiding overly processed foods, but i´m sure, like any other trend, there is a good assortment of products that fits/is made for the requirements but is processed all to hell

3/19/2009 9:02:23 AM

^^
Most nutrition classes are just fronts for industry. Generally everything you learn in some of these classes is complete bullshit or at least has a lot of "spin" put on it. I've seen nutrition class “curriculums” that basically boiled down to crap like: “GMOs are perfectly awesome in every way, but organic food can kill you.” “Vegetarianism will kill you.” “High-fructose corn syrup is the future!!” "Large agriculture and meat farming is better for our health than organic farming in every way." The nutrition book was probably written by DuPont and Monsanto...

Raw food is healthier than cooked food in most cases for most things (sure, there's some exceptions) But of course, like you said, it generally shouldn't be one's only source of food -- although if done properly, it could be.

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"Cooking food may destroy the enzymes, but your body makes enough of these already"

100% false. -- oh and before you think to find some study that supports your claim, there are plenty that refute it, also. I'm not playing that game.

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" there is a good assortment of products that fits/is made for the requirements but is processed all to hell"

For example processed tomato paste has more lycopene than a whole basket of raw tomatoes. Does that mean you should always eat more tomato paste than fresh tomatoes? No.

[Edited on March 19, 2009 at 9:25 AM. Reason : ]

3/19/2009 9:23:14 AM

thank you for all of your well documented conspiracy theories. I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

3/19/2009 9:26:40 AM

Man, i wish i could find joe_schmoe's post about his general description of batshit libertarian/hippy hybrid nutjobs.

3/19/2009 9:28:32 AM

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"Raw veggies and fruits are good to eat"

in some cases, cooking the vegetables (i don't know about fruit) actually releases nutrients that your body would otherwise not have efficient access to due to the cell wall...depends on the veggie, though, and how it's cooked...boiling usually leaches vitamins and nutrients into the water that you then dump down the sink...steaming will break down the cell walls without significant nutrient loss

related to that, the membrane that surrounds animal cells (meat) becomes thicker and tougher when cooked quickly and at high heat...these membranes are usually pretty easy to destroy with our natural digestive juices, so cooking meat CAN inhibit nutrient uptake

3/19/2009 9:33:56 AM

^^^^ uh yeah...

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"organic food can kill you."

Nope. Organic is not going to kill you, but it is not necessarily better.

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"High-fructose corn syrup is the future!!"

Ew, no.

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"Large agriculture and meat farming is better for our health than organic farming in every way."

I wasn't told that either. It's not better for our health, but its not worse either. We were told that nutritionally, they are the same, its how it is made that is different.

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"Vegetarianism will kill you."

I have yet to hear anything negative about vegetarianism yet.


[Edited on March 19, 2009 at 9:42 AM. Reason : I don't know what class you are talking about. ]

3/19/2009 9:36:00 AM

^
If you've got more to say than "uh yeah... ", say it. (thanks)

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"I don't know what class you are talking about."

Perhaps yours is a bit better, but I'd take EVERY DAMN THING they tell you with a huge grain of salt.



[Edited on March 19, 2009 at 9:48 AM. Reason : ]

3/19/2009 9:42:26 AM

^ I was saying it, but calling me names isn't going to help your point.

3/19/2009 9:43:17 AM

http://www.watershed.net/GFX/rawfoodpyramid.jpg


[Edited on March 19, 2009 at 9:58 AM. Reason : too big]

3/19/2009 9:45:51 AM

^ that's actually pretty cool.

So I guess you are finished with being a jerk to me.

3/19/2009 9:47:34 AM

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"Raw veggies and fruits are good to eat, but should not be one's only source of food."

[Edited on March 19, 2009 at 9:51 AM. Reason : hey]

3/19/2009 9:50:15 AM

^^I was only a jerk to you, because before you edited, it appeared that you simply dismissed my whole post with a rolly eyes...



[Edited on March 19, 2009 at 10:00 AM. Reason : ]

3/19/2009 9:53:05 AM

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"^ that's actually pretty cool."

No it's not.

3/19/2009 9:56:36 AM

Yes it is.

3/19/2009 9:58:22 AM

I'm a supporter of every food on that pyramid aside from the idea that water needs to be ionized, however I see it as an incomplete structure. Heck, I've already eaten foods from every category minus the sprouts today and it's only 10:00 a.m. It is obviously aimed at trying to substitute plants for animals and I just don't see the point. I could eat quinoa till I shit the bed, but I'd rather just eat a chicken breast or a couple of eggs.

If it didn't have an obvious vegetarian/vegan agenda it would be pretty good. The agenda behind it is what makes it so lame.

3/19/2009 10:12:18 AM

^^ it's actually not. It's sad really, unless of course it was made with a rabbit in mind.

3/19/2009 10:14:02 AM

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"Large agriculture and meat farming is better for our health than organic farming in every way"

it's definitely better for your mental sanity. Nothing makes me want to smash things more than a scrawny organic chicken wing or an organic chicken breast that's closer in size to a chicken nugget.

3/19/2009 10:17:18 AM

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"paging simonn"

3/19/2009 10:20:42 AM

what? i don't do this.

3/19/2009 10:27:38 AM

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"It's pointless and not healthy. The reason people do this is because they think all the enzymes you need are in the food and these are destroyed by the cooking process. Cooking food may destroy the enzymes, but your body makes enough of these already."

I challenge that.


You don't absorb enzymes anyway. You absorb nutrients like vitamins, minerals, fatty acids, amino acids, etc that your body doesn't make. The enzymes are digested into single amino acids and di-tri peptides anyway so they can be absorbed.

Its proven that boiling vegetables in water will suck out the water soluble vitamins, and likewise oil will do the same to the fat soluble vitamins. Now, thats not to say cooking them is bad. If you're using the fluid then clearly the nutrients stay in the water or oil but mostly you just throw it down the drain. Thats why the recommend steaming veggies if you are going to cook them alone.

Plus, the thing about eating raw is that its more difficult to digest, therefore using more energy for fat fucks, and making you want to eat less because it sits in your stomach longer. You still get the nutrients out of raw veggies and stuff, but they stay in your stomach longer and help you move things through your guts so you stay regular.

[Edited on March 19, 2009 at 10:35 AM. Reason : ]

3/19/2009 10:33:51 AM

The raw diet works. Raw veggies are full of fiber, low in calories, high in nutrients, and are generally better for you than 90% of what you normally eat everyday. If you substitute meals by eating carrots, broccoli, celery, and fresh fruits instead of the normal starches most americans eat, you will lose weight. If you also exercise on top of this diet, you will burn fat even faster too. Basically, you consume less calories, satisfy your appetite, and clean out your digestive system all at the same time. Don't overthink it.

3/19/2009 10:38:42 AM

willy nilly's posts are hilarious, but they're just too damn long

please make them shorter and increase the density of funny

3/19/2009 10:40:04 AM

fuck you PETA, that is all.

3/19/2009 10:42:41 AM

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"The raw diet works. Raw veggies are full of fiber, low in calories, high in nutrients, and are generally better for you than 90% of what you normally eat everyday. If you substitute meals by eating carrots, broccoli, celery, and fresh fruits instead of the normal starches most americans eat, you will lose weight. If you also exercise on top of this diet, you will burn fat even faster too. Basically, you consume less calories, satisfy your appetite, and clean out your digestive system all at the same time. Don't overthink it."

You assume everyone needs to lose weight. And what happens when said person doesn't need to lose any more weight?

This is what happens:
http://current.com/items/76338282/life_in_the_raw.htm

WILLY
NILLY
EXPOSED?

It's weird for me I guess. I basically eat everything they eat + other foods which I consider to be good. I can't imagine going on a raw foods only diet though. It just doesn't seem complete and I say that as a person who eats a ton of raw foods.

[Edited on March 19, 2009 at 10:50 AM. Reason : l]

3/19/2009 10:45:23 AM

Most Americans do need to lose "weight" in the sense of reducing their body fat percentage to an acceptable level. I could wield some statistics, but what's the point, it's common knowledge that Americans are fatter on average than the rest of the world.

[Edited on March 19, 2009 at 10:52 AM. Reason : -]

3/19/2009 10:48:49 AM

Yeah, but you're still speaking as if your body will naturally reach some happy medium. My point is that, in an overly basic sense, you either have a calorie deficiency or a surplus. If raw foods leads to a natural deficiency it is only going to be "healthy" for a certain period of time before it becomes detrimental.

3/19/2009 10:53:50 AM

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"it's definitely better for your mental sanity. Nothing makes me want to smash things more than a scrawny organic chicken wing or an organic chicken breast that's closer in size to a chicken nugget."

The idea that all organic meat is inferior in this way is a myth. Organic meats can be big, juicy, and delicious. Sure, there might be some "small fish" that the big meat farmers would've "thrown back", but people who choose organic are usually types of people that realize that food isn't just some tasty substance that we eat, that it isn't just a product, but that it was alive and a part of nature. If an organically raised chicken is very small, it is still an organically raised chicken. The big meat farmer types wouldn't sell that chicken, because it doesn't represent their image of homogeneous big cuts of meat. However, companies that raise their chickens organically realize that the small chicken is still good food, and shouldn't be wasted, ignored, or culled. Having some, even many, "scrawny" organic chicken wings doesn't mean that all organic chicken wings are that way, but rather, that sometimes when you raise things organically, some strains are just smaller than others -- you know?.. biodiversity? -- and supporters of the organic movement celebrate biodiversity rather than farm homogeneity.

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"This is what happens: http://current.com/items/76338282/life_in_the_raw.htm"

Good video. What was you point?
(Please don't tell me that you were suggesting that a raw food diet would magically turn you into a hippie douche.)

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"If it didn't have an obvious vegetarian/vegan agenda it would be pretty good. The agenda behind it is what makes it so lame."

Why the fuck do people think like this? Ok. So. Some non-vegetarians start praising raw food. You say, "The raw food diet is neat." Then a bunch of vegan douches start praising raw food. Then you change your story to, "The raw food diet is lame." WTF? Ad hominem much?

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"fuck you PETA, that is all."

You see? What the fuck does PETA have to do with the raw food diet? They are two different things and no one is talking about "don't kill animals" or "everyone should be vegan", but still, you felt it necessary to bring up PETA? Yes... PETA sucks... they are nuts -- but what the fuck do they have to do with this thread? Some of you complain that PETA types are the only problem with things like the raw food diet, so then why bring them up? By even mentioning them, you are giving them the very thing that you oppose, namely their association with certain food choices. If you hate PETA, don't give them power by basically throwing your hands in the air and saying that they "rule" certain issues like mere types of diets. Just ignore them. Assert that a discussion about the raw food diet can occur with no PETA references. You're just giving up to the point that you have made the first PETA reference. It's almost like you're actually a member of PETA, and wanted to shift the conversation that way. Please... No more PETA in this thread.

[Edited on March 19, 2009 at 11:10 AM. Reason : ]

3/19/2009 10:55:00 AM

Let me just get this one point straight...I think raw foods are a great addition to a person's diet. The food pyramid is supposed to be a complete diet though. Had the guy said "these foods are great and you should eat them often" I would agree with him. When he says "these foods are all you need" and implies that anything not in the pyramid is damaging to your body I have to disagree. That's why I said that chart was lame. That's why I think subsisting solely on raw foods is lame as well.

I have been dating a vegetarian for 4 years, so it's not like I'm the vegetarian hater you make me out to be. I openly take exception with her diet from time-to-time just like I'm doing with this stuff today though.

3/19/2009 11:12:00 AM

1.) in terms of nutrient and vitamin uptake, raw food is not necessarily "better" than cooked foods
2.) in terms of flavor, quality, and nutrients/vitamins, organic food is not necessarily "better" or "worse" than non-organic food
3.) human beings are not cavemen anymore...we have different nutritional requirements than did our ancestors
4.) eat fresh, eat balanced, avoid over-processed foods, and get off your lazy asses once in a while
5.) ...
6.) profit?

where the hell was i going with this?

3/19/2009 11:17:20 AM

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"where the hell was i going with this?"

To the store to get some Ritz Crackers and Easycheese.

3/19/2009 11:20:18 AM

oooh, that sounds good...fuck healthy

3/19/2009 11:20:50 AM

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"That's why I think subsisting solely on raw foods is lame as well."

Yeah, I'm not sure about doing the vegan raw food diet 24-7-365, if that's what you mean.

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"Raw foodism or a raw food diet is usually equated with raw veganism in which only raw plant foods are eaten,[3] but other raw foodists emphasize raw meat and other raw animal products.[4] Depending on the type of lifestyle and results desired, raw food diets may include a selection of raw fruits, vegetables, nuts, seeds (including sprouted whole grains such as gaba rice), eggs, fish (such as sashimi), meat (such as carpaccio), and non-pasteurized/non-homogenized dairy products (such as raw milk, raw cheese and raw yogurt). Raw foodists can be divided between those that advocate raw vegetarianism or raw veganism, those that advocate a raw omnivorous diet, and those that advocate a diet of only raw animal foods (carnivorous)."

Pass the sashimi, please.

[Edited on March 19, 2009 at 11:22 AM. Reason : ]

3/19/2009 11:21:25 AM

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" Quote : "fuck you PETA, that is all." You see? What the fuck does PETA have to do with the raw food diet? They are two different things and no one is talking about "don't kill animals" or "everyone should be vegan", but still, you felt it necessary to bring up PETA? Yes... PETA sucks... they are nuts -- but what the fuck do they have to do with this thread? Some of you complain that PETA types are the only problem with things like the raw food diet, so then why bring them up? By even mentioning them, you are giving them the very thing that you oppose, namely their association with certain food choices. If you hate PETA, don't give them power by basically throwing your hands in the air and saying that they "rule" certain issues like mere types of diets. Just ignore them. Assert that a discussion about the raw food diet can occur with no PETA references. You're just giving up to the point that you have made the first PETA reference. It's almost like you're actually a member of PETA, and wanted to shift the conversation that way. Please... No more PETA in this thread. "

jesus fuckin christ man...dont get your panties all in a wad...they were talkin about organic food up there so i just figured i'd throw that one in. i dont like PETA cause they try to push the organic fad on everybody (obviously only vegetables) but my opinion is its just a reason to jack up prices at places like trader joe's and shit. fuck.

3/19/2009 11:22:01 AM

Did you guys see the folks on Wife Swap that ate raw chicken and beef? At first I was like "URE GONNA DIE!!!" but apparently they have been doing this for years. I guess if Bear Grylls can eat half the crap he finds dead in the middle of the desert our intestinal fortitude might be a little better than we thought.

[Edited on March 19, 2009 at 11:25 AM. Reason : s]

3/19/2009 11:24:59 AM

^^

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"i dont like PETA cause they try to push the organic fad on everybody (obviously only vegetables) but my opinion is its just a reason to jack up prices at places like trader joe's and shit."

So, if the only reason you don't like PETA is because they support the organic movement, which you appear to think is nothing but a fad and a scam to jack up prices, then still... why not just oppose organics? Where did PETA come into this?

Besides, there are many other valid reason to dislike PETA, and organic foods aren't a fad or a scam to jack up prices, but that's aside from the point...

[Edited on March 19, 2009 at 11:26 AM. Reason : ]

3/19/2009 11:25:16 AM

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"Did you guys see the folks on Wife Swap that ate raw chicken and beef? At first I was like "URE GONNA DIE!!!" but apparently they have been doing this for years. I guess if Bear Grylls can eat half the crap he finds dead in the middle of the desert our intestinal fortitude might be a little better than we thought."

i suspect most of it is cultural...humans are perfectly capable of safely eating raw meat (in fact, it's generally easier for us to digest raw than cooked)...it's the issues of salmonella, e.coli, etc. that make cooking necessary from a health standpoint...past that, it's simply an issue of preference

3/19/2009 11:30:15 AM

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"but my opinion is"

and your opinion is

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"organic foods aren't a fad or a scam to jack up prices"

3/19/2009 11:30:39 AM

I definitely don't worry about digesting it, but the concerns of food poisoning are what would keep me from ever doing it outside of a survival situation. Even mild food poisoning is absolutely awful, and I don't even want to know what e. coli or salmonella is like.

I do eat sushi with raw ingredients, but I feel like I'm paying for proper ingredients and a skilled chef to look out for worms.

3/19/2009 11:34:12 AM

i genuinely enjoy my steaks almost raw...seared just enough to kill anything on the outside while preserving the dark red on the inside

it may be to most people, i find myself in the mood pretty often

3/19/2009 11:37:06 AM

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"and your opinion is"

A fad is something that happens for a while because it is fashionable, but then ends. There is absolutely no way in hell that the organic food movement is going anywhere, ever. This is fact. It can't be proven -- the entire human race could get wiped out tomorrow by some aliens or something, but assuming that human society still exists, there is absolutely no way that organic food will not still be huge. You can say it's my opinion, but if so, it's a correct one. As for the prices being "jacked up": Prices reflect many things, and while it's possible that some get away with overcharging (more power to them,) the higher prices from organic foods are a result of them being more expensive to produce, and in some cases (especially in the past,) a result of their scarcity. Again, this is fact. You can say it's my opinion, but if so, it's a correct one.

3/19/2009 11:45:11 AM

opinions are opinions, thats why they're called opinions.

i was just sayin i think the organic movement is stupid. you're prolly right in some cases about that stuff but theres no point in bein all big and tuff cause other people have opinions too and you're not gonna change everybody's minds. some may change, some may not. again, MY OPINION is i think the organic movement is stupid. it doesnt matter why, i just do.

opinions are opinions, thats why they're called opinions.


insert next blowout here ||
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[Edited on March 19, 2009 at 12:39 PM. Reason : ]

3/19/2009 12:37:24 PM

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"but people who choose organic are usually types of people that realize that food isn't just some tasty substance that we eat, that it isn't just a product, but that it was alive and a part of nature. "

Thank god I'm not a hippie. I hope my kids don't turn out like this.

3/19/2009 12:59:13 PM

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"what? i don't do this."

i guess i misunderstood you then

3/19/2009 1:04:15 PM

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" Quote : "It's pointless and not healthy. The reason people do this is because they think all the enzymes you need are in the food and these are destroyed by the cooking process. Cooking food may destroy the enzymes, but your body makes enough of these already." I challenge that. You don't absorb enzymes anyway. You absorb nutrients like vitamins, minerals, fatty acids, amino acids, etc that your body doesn't make. The enzymes are digested into single amino acids and di-tri peptides anyway so they can be absorbed. Its proven that boiling vegetables in water will suck out the water soluble vitamins, and likewise oil will do the same to the fat soluble vitamins. Now, thats not to say cooking them is bad. If you're using the fluid then clearly the nutrients stay in the water or oil but mostly you just throw it down the drain. Thats why the recommend steaming veggies if you are going to cook them alone. Plus, the thing about eating raw is that its more difficult to digest, therefore using more energy for fat fucks, and making you want to eat less because it sits in your stomach longer. You still get the nutrients out of raw veggies and stuff, but they stay in your stomach longer and help you move things through your guts so you stay regular."

You're right. Which is why its amusing that people say raw diets make digestion more efficient.

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"A fad is something that happens for a while because it is fashionable, but then ends. There is absolutely no way in hell that the organic food movement is going anywhere, ever. This is fact. It can't be proven -- the entire human race could get wiped out tomorrow by some aliens or something, but assuming that human society still exists, there is absolutely no way that organic food will not still be huge. You can say it's my opinion, but if so, it's a correct one. As for the prices being "jacked up": Prices reflect many things, and while it's possible that some get away with overcharging (more power to them,) the higher prices from organic foods are a result of them being more expensive to produce, and in some cases (especially in the past,) a result of their scarcity. Again, this is fact. You can say it's my opinion, but if so, it's a correct one."

Amusing you say this after bashing the nutrition programs at our school. This is exactly what is being told to students taking nutrition.

3/19/2009 1:21:59 PM

raw carrots number one!

3/19/2009 1:27:36 PM

^They are so tasty.

When I get a mystery craving, I start with carrots first because ninety percent of the time, that's what I want.

3/19/2009 1:34:15 PM

set em up

3/19/2009 1:34:27 PM