it sort of sucks now. i just noticed how terrible music videos look nowadays ... and all the once good rappers are old. and the new rappers just love to dance and clown.

4/8/2009 8:50:54 PM

around '95

4/8/2009 8:51:33 PM

when he sold out to THE MAN

4/8/2009 8:52:11 PM

98

4/8/2009 8:52:29 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nVzSr3yDcA

4/8/2009 8:52:34 PM

yeah ... i was going to say after 1997 Raekwon OB4CL. that was the highest peak for me.

[Edited on April 8, 2009 at 8:53 PM. Reason : ... ]

4/8/2009 8:53:20 PM

i'm watching a biopic about russell simmons on pbs

4/8/2009 8:53:24 PM

4/8/2009 9:01:19 PM

I've always distinguished between rap and hip hop. Hip hop still pumps out good shit, rap hasn't been fun for me since the mid-late 90s.

4/8/2009 9:05:05 PM

yeah ... i understand Rap vs Hiphop, but the genre as a whole has lost it. i mean people through up these good under under ground dirty pack back rappers, but they really aren't that good either. Hiphop was about being good and having a sense of star power too (or swagger is what they call it now).


and most of this new jack sh!t is borderline homo. or like pseudo-homo.

4/8/2009 9:11:27 PM

dec of 05 or so

4/8/2009 9:16:52 PM

Quote :

"yeah ... i was going to say after 1997 Raekwon OB4CL. that was the highest peak for me. "

did you stop listening to Wu-Tang after that or something? Liquid Swordz and all the Ghostface Albums came out after Cuban Links.

4/8/2009 9:19:09 PM

when did it ever go up hill?

4/8/2009 9:19:28 PM

from about 99-dec of 05

4/8/2009 9:19:55 PM

they all got flabbergasted

4/8/2009 9:25:20 PM

Quote :

"yeah ... i understand Rap vs Hiphop, but the genre as a whole has lost it. i mean people through up these good under under ground dirty pack back rappers, but they really aren't that good either. Hiphop was about being good and having a sense of star power too (or swagger is what they call it now)."

You don't understand shit. Tons..and I mean tons of good fucking hip hop has come out this decade and it isn't under under ground dirty pack back rappers you ape.

If you are lumping rap and hip hop under the same "genre" umbrella these days, then you are clueless. Get the hell out of this thread.

4/8/2009 9:30:55 PM

there have been some good albums to come out

people are still making good music








was a good goddamn album. just about every song hit. that was 2007...

4/8/2009 9:34:22 PM

how could rap go downhill?

4/8/2009 9:36:40 PM

Nothing funnier than the rednecks adding their 2 fucking cents.

4/8/2009 9:39:00 PM

its gotten to the point where a producer makes everything about the song down to the point where he even tells the artist what to say and how to say it in some cases. Thus, the "singer" has no connection with the lyrics.

TuPac would frown upon such.

4/8/2009 9:40:54 PM

Ever since everyone forgot about Dre.

4/8/2009 9:42:11 PM

^^^ what makes you think I'm a redneck, pinko?

[Edited on April 8, 2009 at 9:42 PM. Reason : ...]

4/8/2009 9:42:19 PM

you have to dig deep for the good stuff now

4/8/2009 9:44:55 PM

message_topic.aspx?topic=208204

4/8/2009 9:46:31 PM

I wouldn't recommend distinguishing between rap and hip hop.

4/8/2009 9:51:48 PM

that makes no sense

4/8/2009 9:56:13 PM

Quote :

"If you are lumping rap and hip hop under the same "genre" umbrella these days, then you are clueless."

What is the difference then? Don't give me that KRS-One bullshit answer either.

4/8/2009 9:58:49 PM

the Clipse are the most superior rap artists that have came out in a long time.





i listen to this every time I get in the car ...

4/8/2009 10:07:35 PM

Rap is something you do ... Hiphop is what you live.


- KRS-One

4/8/2009 10:08:25 PM

peak of rap = Busta Rhymes - ELE

4/8/2009 10:39:01 PM

Rap has always sucked. Sorry but the truth hurts.

4/8/2009 10:44:02 PM

Rap goes down hill the minute you grow up

4/8/2009 10:53:06 PM

when did Ja Rule come on the scene?

4/8/2009 10:58:55 PM

hip hop is a culture that encompasses rap. as well as other things. like graffiti, breakdancing and DJ'ing. its a part of a larger genre of things. so you shouldn't really say as much "rap bad, hip hop good..." but "good rap, bad rap"

[Edited on April 8, 2009 at 11:26 PM. Reason : thats all i'm sayin... ]

4/8/2009 11:24:01 PM

I know its kind of cheesy, but the Fresh Prince and Jazzy Jeff are great. haha

4/9/2009 12:26:20 AM

It was about the time Rap went from "thug life" to "club life". It used to be all about social injustice and life on the street. But now it's about, "The girl got low, got low, got, low."

In truth, once you start getting sponsored by Sony, you can't go around talking about killing cops. So you turn to hittin' it in the club - i.e. substituting sexual prowess to show your manlyness.

4/9/2009 12:32:43 AM

GOO PUNCH

4/9/2009 12:44:48 AM

thats deep BoBo ...

4/9/2009 11:35:30 AM

mid 90's

occasional gems surface still

but like ludacris's character said in the movie Crash it's just a bunch of mumbling idiot puppets controlled by white executives

the basis of rap/hiphop has been lost since the mid-early 80's now it's mostly just the same rehashed junk...

[Edited on April 9, 2009 at 12:58 PM. Reason : s]

4/9/2009 12:56:35 PM

Brother Ali.

4/9/2009 1:03:50 PM

you just haven't found the good stuff...and by good stuff i mean old stuff....and you said the new stuff sucks....which is true.....wat

[Edited on April 9, 2009 at 1:09 PM. Reason : lol]

4/9/2009 1:08:56 PM

YEAH

4/9/2009 1:09:55 PM

when biggie/pac died, the whole scene died with them.

4/9/2009 4:00:28 PM

1988

4/9/2009 4:03:45 PM

shortly after Liquid Swords dropped

4/9/2009 4:07:39 PM

Quote :

"when biggie/pac died, the whole scene died with them."

no it didnt

4/9/2009 4:08:08 PM

^that's correct, they were also garbage

the correct answer to this thread is, rap was never good. Both it and hip hop are meant for functional retards and people who can literally have any cultural phenomenon shoved down their throats.

4/9/2009 4:10:24 PM

When Tupac moved to cuba.


Actually, I think it started to suck after Eminem became the best lyrical rapper, and all the black guys just started dancing around with big booty hoes and not even trying to compete lyrically.

4/9/2009 4:16:19 PM

Mulva must like shitty music

4/9/2009 4:19:16 PM

^^ maybe. i stopped following Tupac after the Me Against The World album ... and I never bought or listened to an Eminem album ... i did like the song Lose Yourself though ...

4/9/2009 4:24:54 PM