I know of 960.gs and Blueprint - do you kids use any other good ones on a regular basis?


I really like 960 because of the little print out sheets. Shit like that is pretty awesome.

4/15/2009 8:13:57 PM

I didn't even know they got frameworks for CSS now

I'm so out of touch

4/15/2009 8:20:43 PM

Yeah, they're pretty baller.


I guess CSS frameworks are more design oriented anyway, but they lay shit out on a grid for you, have resets built in, set the text sizes automagically. It's pretty damn cool.

4/15/2009 8:25:27 PM

960.gs is good. never use frameworks but i've looked into 960.gs

4/15/2009 8:37:26 PM

http://www.blueprintcss.org/

and here are some grid-builders
http://builder.yaml.de/#
http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/grids/builder/

4/15/2009 8:59:32 PM

^^ so why haven't you used it yet? More convienient to use your previous files?

[Edited on April 15, 2009 at 9:04 PM. Reason : Gj]

4/15/2009 9:01:55 PM

960 GS is incredible, Yahoo is a bit complicated, Blueprint I don't know much about.

Somewhat handy comparison:

http://synapse.neural9.com/css-frameworks-comparison-chart/

4/15/2009 9:29:21 PM

I've seen the Yahoo one (YUI) - but I wasn't that impressed with it.

^ Just from a cursory code perspective, it looked like Blueprint would be a bit easier to work with because of how well it's broken up and commented, as compared to 960, which looked like it was all kind of dumped into the file.

But in terms of the small details, like I said earlier, 960 is pretty pimp. It even comes with illustrator, PS, omnigraffle, and visio templates so you can prototype out your sites before you start to build them

4/15/2009 10:30:58 PM

Yeah, it's the templates that really put 960 over the top in my opinion. I've found it pretty easy to work with, though I might give Blueprint another look.

4/15/2009 10:38:10 PM

holy shit

960 GS just made my day.

4/15/2009 11:01:47 PM

i've heard of them, but never got around to using them

4/16/2009 8:50:22 AM

Quote :

"I didn't even know they got frameworks for CSS now I'm so out of touch "

ditto, hah

without looking into it myself (i'll do that later), are these frameworks section 508 and priority 1 ADA compliant? i mean, i realize that it's what you DO with the framework that determines compliance, but i wasn't sure if they were table-based (again, i'll look at it myself later)

[Edited on April 16, 2009 at 8:59 AM. Reason : .]

4/16/2009 8:58:38 AM

I haven't used them, but I would assume that if the point of it is a css framework then being table based negates the purpose.

4/16/2009 9:09:26 AM

Quote :

"i wasn't sure if they were table-based"

Seriously?

4/16/2009 11:55:06 AM

uh, by default any CSS framework should be 508 compliant

4/16/2009 12:37:00 PM

Quote :

"then being table based negates the purpose."

exactly.

that's one of the main selling points of CSS... tables should be banned from the internet.

4/16/2009 12:56:54 PM

compliances are overrated. i make a point to add in noncompliances in all sites i work on

4/16/2009 12:58:14 PM

Nah, tables have plenty of worthy applications, just not in creating layouts.

4/16/2009 12:58:52 PM

do you see that little blind kid living in russia, qntmfred?

DO YOU SEE HIM?!

4/16/2009 12:59:15 PM

Quote :

"compliances are overrated. i make a point to add in noncompliances in all sites i work on"

ahahahahahaha



FUCK YOU, PAGE READER!

4/16/2009 1:19:41 PM

since the topic was kinda-sorta-but-not-really brought up, do page readers work on display:none items?

i'vee seen yes and i've seen no, never been sure

4/16/2009 1:21:11 PM

http://giveupandusetables.com/

4/16/2009 1:24:19 PM

display: none; works sometimes
display: none; visibility: hidden; works every time

4/16/2009 1:25:12 PM

Quote :

"Seriously?"

yes, i was seriously asking if, without any research on my part (because i didn't have time at the moment i posted), a free product might not adhere to all of the compliancy standards that are, at the moment, still largely ignored

shoot, CNN.com fails both section 508 and WAI, though a cursory glance shows it to be mostly (if not all) html conflicts with their declared type

just because the CSS is correct in terms of code doesn't mean that their intended implementation is correct in terms of compliancy

4/16/2009 1:51:21 PM

.fuckYouPageReader {
                                       background-color:#fff;
                                       color:#fff;
                                      }

4/16/2009 2:27:52 PM

I haven't visited 960.gs in a while, so I'm not sure if this is old...

http://www.spry-soft.com/grids/

...but old or new, it's pretty great

4/21/2009 9:16:03 PM

More 960 coolness:

http://gridder.andreehansson.se/

5/18/2009 11:12:08 AM

Now all we need is an HTML framework.

5/19/2009 11:28:58 AM

http://giveupandusetables.com/

GENIUS

5/19/2009 4:36:21 PM

^i like.

5/20/2009 3:21:40 AM

would anyone recommend any of these frameworks at a production level?

got a new project i'm about to start and was wondering if i using the 960.gs framework would be viable or not

6/30/2009 2:34:01 PM

I use 960 all the damn time

The only real issue is that the markup can become a bit bloated. You can trim down the excess CSS, though.

The examples on the 960 site show how flexible it can be better than I could explain. I don't see any problem using it for most projects.

6/30/2009 2:52:43 PM

yeah, I've used 960 for the past two projects. ITSA NAICE


HAI LAIK

6/30/2009 6:46:22 PM

Just an FYI for anyone interested - just completed a project for a client using 960.gs and using Wordpress as the CMS.


960 is great, BUT when used with the default visual editor from Wordpress (the WSYWIG shit), your structures can go from zero to fucked the hell up in mere seconds.


Wordpress's visual editor likes to strip out empty divs - which are a constant part of the 960 framework. You use

<div class="clear"></div>

7/6/2009 4:01:44 PM

or you could stack all your divs inside of class="grid_12" divs

which means you're throwing in a shit ton of divs

and people will be all like man why don't you use a table or something

and you'll be like shut the fuck up

7/6/2009 7:10:29 PM

ahaha true.


I open a container class in the header and close it in the footer. too many grid_12s make me sad.

[Edited on July 6, 2009 at 8:04 PM. Reason : .]

7/6/2009 8:00:13 PM

whatchy'all using these days

12/21/2009 10:16:57 AM

still 960, here



or fluid 960


mainly because of the templates


lol

12/21/2009 10:32:02 AM