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Ahhh!
Troll!!!

Get on topic

[Edited on July 23, 2015 at 8:35 PM. Reason : G]

7/23/2015 8:22:59 PM

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so now that the facts are coming out, has everyone backed away from those anti-choice propaganda videos?

7/23/2015 11:08:50 PM

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I'll play along since not everyone is aware of the "facts" you speak of. What facts have come out should cause people to "back away from those anti-choice propaganda videos?"

7/24/2015 10:49:32 AM

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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/22/opinion/the-campaign-of-deception-against-planned-parenthood.html

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"The Campaign of Deception Against Planned Parenthood

A hidden-camera video released last week purported to show that Planned Parenthood illegally sells tissue from aborted fetuses. It shows nothing of the sort. But it is the latest in a series of unrelenting attacks on Planned Parenthood, which offers health care services to millions of people every year. The politicians howling to defund Planned Parenthood care nothing about the truth here, being perfectly willing to undermine women’s reproductive rights any way they can.

The nine-minute video clip released by the Center for Medical Progress, an outfit apparently created in 2013, invites viewers to “Hold Planned Parenthood accountable for their illegal sale of baby parts.” In it, Dr. Deborah Nucatola, Planned Parenthood’s senior director of medical services, is seen discussing the collection of fetal tissue in a lunch meeting with two people posing as potential tissue buyers. A second video, released on Tuesday, shows another Planned Parenthood staff member discussing fetal tissue.

After the first video’s release, Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky pledged to “introduce an amendment to pending Senate legislation to immediately strip every dollar of Planned Parenthood funding.” Senator Ted Cruz of Texas called for defunding and for “an investigation of Planned Parenthood’s activities regarding the sale and transfer of aborted body parts.” The House Energy and Commerce Committee is undertaking an investigation, and Gov. Greg Abbott of Texas and Gov. Bobby Jindal of Louisiana have ordered investigations in their states.

The full video of the lunch meeting, over two hours long and released by the Center for Medical Progress after complaints by Planned Parenthood, shows something very different from what these critics claim. Clearly, the shorter version was edited to eliminate statements by Dr. Nucatola explaining that Planned Parenthood does not profit from tissue donation, which requires the clear consent of the patient. Planned Parenthood affiliates only accept money — between $30 and $100 per specimen, according to Dr. Nucatola — to cover costs associated with collecting and transporting the tissue. “This is not something with any revenue stream that affiliates are looking at,” she said. Under federal law, facilities may be reimbursed for costs associated with fetal tissue donation, like transportation and storage.

According to a letter sent by Roger Evans, a lawyer for Planned Parenthood, to the House Energy and Commerce Committee, the video is a result of a yearslong campaign of deception. The head of the Center for Medical Progress, David Daleiden, created a fake company called Biomax Procurement Services almost three years ago for the purpose of tricking Planned Parenthood employees, the letter alleges, even setting up exhibits at Planned Parenthood’s national conferences. The letter also says Biomax offered a Planned Parenthood affiliate $1,600 for a fetal liver and thymus, presumably to trap the affiliate in the act of accepting a high payment for fetal tissue. The affiliate declined.

In a statement on its website, the Center for Medical Progress says it “follows all applicable laws in the course of our investigative journalism work.”

Anti-abortion groups have long pushed to defund Planned Parenthood, even though no federal money is used to provide abortions. But that hasn’t stopped their efforts to shut down the clinics, which provide services like contraception, cancer screening and other tests.

The Center for Medical Progress — which managed to get tax-exempt status in 2013 as a biomedicine charity, according to a report by The Huffington Post — appears to have done little beyond producing the undercover video. According to its registration form with the California attorney general, it has three officers: Mr. Daleiden; Albin Rhomberg, who has participated in anti-abortion protests; and Troy Newman, the president of the anti-abortion group Operation Rescue.

In a statement last week, Cecile Richards, the president of the Planned Parenthood Federation of America, said that “our donation programs — like any other high-quality health care providers — follow all laws and ethical guidelines” and that “Planned Parenthood stands behind our work to help women and families donate tissue for medical research when they wish to.”

Researchers use fetal tissue to study and develop treatments for diseases and conditions like H.I.V., hepatitis, congenital heart defects, retinal degeneration and Parkinson’s. Last year, the National Institutes of Health gave $76 million in grants for fetal tissue research. Planned Parenthood is certainly not the only collector of fetal tissue — clinics associated with universities also supply tissue for research.

The Center for Medical Progress video campaign is a dishonest attempt to make legal, voluntary and potentially lifesaving tissue donations appear nefarious and illegal. Lawmakers responding by promoting their own anti-choice agenda are rewarding deception and putting women’s health and their constitutionally protected rights at risk."


[Edited on July 24, 2015 at 12:27 PM. Reason : non-mobile link AND column if you don't want to click]

7/24/2015 12:05:44 PM

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7/24/2015 12:39:29 PM

HUR
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I really wonder if the angry conservative Christian nutbats against abortion due so to ensure they have something to bitch about when the welfare moms ask for handouts from the government and to depress opportunities for minority women to get ahead with in life.

7/25/2015 2:06:52 AM

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that must be it

7/25/2015 7:04:35 PM

thegoodlife3
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remember that time that people fell for another James O'Keefe joint?

7/28/2015 10:54:28 AM

dtownral
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they dox'd planned parenthood

lol

7/28/2015 11:42:53 AM

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http://www.rawstory.com/2015/07/i-cant-sit-here-and-listen-to-this-anchor-loses-it-after-fox-host-says-abortion-worse-than-lion-killing/

lol

7/29/2015 3:29:41 PM

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[Edited on July 29, 2015 at 3:30 PM. Reason : double post]

7/29/2015 3:29:41 PM

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Quote :
"“I want to defund Planned Parenthood,” Todd insisted. “My tax dollars should not fund those kinds of atrocities, period.”"


To clarify for the people in this thread who listen to these guys and believe them: tax dollars are not used on abortions

7/29/2015 3:42:31 PM

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PP receives millions of tax dollars annually. PP performs thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of abortions annually. To clarify - how is PP not using tax dollars to perform abortions?

[Edited on July 29, 2015 at 4:03 PM. Reason : ...]

7/29/2015 4:02:42 PM

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It's just not allocated. Same way NCSU can't use NSA grant money to reduce tuition costs.

7/29/2015 4:17:15 PM

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And how is it that we know exactly taxpayer funds are not allocated towards abortions?

7/29/2015 4:18:39 PM

dtownral
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do you really think PP is sloppy with their accounting knowing they are a huge target or are you just arguing for the sake of hoping that no one remembers that you fell for the fake undercover recording non-story

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/mar/25/worldnetdaily/planned-parenthood-funding-did-gao-really-find-mil/
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d10533r.pdf
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"Members of Congress who requested the report oppose funding for abortion providers. But we should note that the GAO is a nonpartisan, respected office, whose findings are often cited by both parties.

The report documented how much different groups received from the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and the United States Agency for International Development (USAID) for HIV/AIDS, family planning, and reproductive health, both in the United States and abroad.

The report stated that Planned Parenthood spent $657.1 million in federal funds between 2002 and 2009. That was the amount Planned Parenthood itself reported to the government in the form of audited annual reports, which the GAO described as "sufficiently reliable for our purposes.""



[Edited on July 29, 2015 at 4:30 PM. Reason : figured i'd post this before you posted some lifenews or world net daily claim]

7/29/2015 4:28:13 PM

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You stated as fact, "tax dollars are not used on abortions." I am not arguing for the sake of killing time before the work day is over. I am simply asking for verification. How do you know PP does not use tax dollars for abortions?

7/29/2015 4:30:28 PM

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i never said killing time, i said so no one would notice that you fell for the fake story on the previous page

7/29/2015 4:31:26 PM

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"How do you know PP does not use tax dollars for abortions?"


because its against the law and they'd lose hundreds of millions of dollars in funding if they were?

nevermind the fact that there's a gigantic bullseye on them at all times from anti-choice groups who would love nothing more than to see them destroyed

use your brain

7/29/2015 4:46:30 PM

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Is this the part where we dispute basic accounting?

7/29/2015 5:08:35 PM

thegoodlife3
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pretty fun to use the "if I can't see it, how can I know for sure?" logic

7/29/2015 5:19:13 PM

dtownral
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I'm going to go buy some crack so my boss gets arrested for buying drugs

7/29/2015 9:33:48 PM

dtownral
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Indianna has cleared PP after their investigation

[Edited on July 31, 2015 at 6:15 PM. Reason : Typo, dont care ]

7/31/2015 6:14:26 PM

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and now some republicans want to shut down the government over PP funding because of this fake story

8/3/2015 10:25:54 AM

dtownral
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the state of Louisiana has ended their medicaid contract with planned parenthood, despite the fact that PP only provides healthcare and no abortion services in Lousiana, because of this fake story

8/4/2015 1:28:03 PM

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/08/04/how-planned-parenthood-actually-uses-its-federal-funding/

8/4/2015 1:31:40 PM

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lol the GOP is more than welcome to start another shutdown fight with Obama and the Dems. Definition of insanity and all that.

8/4/2015 4:31:29 PM

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Are there health services, aside from actual abortions, that PP provides that county health departments do not?

8/4/2015 5:56:58 PM

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Yes.

8/4/2015 6:22:57 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egGUEvY7CEg

8/4/2015 7:20:14 PM

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"Are there health services, aside from actual abortions, that PP provides that county health departments do not?"

yes, and they also add capacity and locations that the county can't serve themselves

and also not all counties even have their own health center or offer services directly

and also not all PP even offer abortion services

stop falling for the propoganda and do some fucking googling you fuck

8/4/2015 7:32:05 PM

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"PP receives millions of tax dollars annually. PP performs thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of abortions annually. To clarify - how is PP not using tax dollars to perform abortions?
"


Just look on the bright-side each abortion equals one less welfare check or potential criminal on the street. I thought republicans enjoyed savings money....

8/4/2015 8:08:26 PM

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Quote :
""PP receives millions of tax dollars annually. PP performs thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of abortions annually. To clarify - how is PP not using tax dollars to perform abortions?
""


lets say your adult child spends $150/month on cigarettes in which you do not approve. At the same time you are paying $150/month to help with their rent. to me, you are enabling their smoking to me

[Edited on August 5, 2015 at 7:16 AM. Reason : d]

8/5/2015 7:05:18 AM

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But if that $150 for cigarettes is just part of your $5000/month budget, and you spend $2,100 on STD testing and $1,700 on contraception and $1,050 on other health services and the $150 from your parents is for health services and you keep your accounting to show that your parents money is not used for cigarettes because that's the law, then it's a pretty dumb argument

8/5/2015 9:36:16 AM

HUR
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http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/04/politics/planned-parenthood-fifth-video-houston/index.html

Can someone explain the "outrage" by anti-choice folks about the harvesting organs?

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"Anti-abortion group releases fifth Planned Parenthood video"


Why are abortions extra evil just because doctors use tissue/organs to save the lives of other babies (rather directly or through their use in research)?

8/5/2015 11:29:11 AM

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Quote :
"if that $150 for cigarettes is just part of your $5000/month budget, and you spend $2,100 on STD testing and $1,700 on contraception and $1,050 on other health services and the $150 from your parents is for health services and you keep your accounting to show that your parents money is not used for cigarettes because that's the law, then it's a pretty dumb argument"


yeah I think there is an accounting term for this like "colored money." I think that is the same reason that while NCSU was spending $100's Millions on building renovations they were still jacking up tuition and were cutting funding from classes due to budget deficits. From what I understood the $'s for building renovations of North Campus were specifically allocated by the state legislature for this

8/5/2015 11:31:05 AM

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8/5/2015 12:33:41 PM

HUR
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http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/13/americas/paraguay-young-rape-victim-gives-birth/index.html

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"11-year-old rape victim gives birth in Paraguay"


How does the anti-choice crowd feel about abortion in the case of a situation like this 11-yr old raped by her step dad. Do the rights of this fetus out-weigh the mental and physical trauma to this 11 year old girl along with the fact that this baby will have severe social and financial impacts on her growing up?

8/14/2015 2:54:37 PM

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I'm more curious about people have who want to make abortion illegal but think it should be allowed in cases like that, because that opinion is inconsistent and doesn't make sense

8/14/2015 4:02:42 PM

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8/23/2015 10:44:53 PM

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so the fetus they showed in the video while the girl was talking about harvesting organs was actually a picture of a still born baby that they used without permission

also, the girl in the video who worked at a tissue company who says she was pro-life and didn't like that they asked her to harvest tissue actually applied for that job and only resigned because she wasn't getting enough hours



are any of the idiots here still standing by the video?

8/24/2015 9:57:57 AM

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^ it doesn't even matter... Carson was on the debate talking about organs being sold, well after we knew that didn't happen.

The right-wing news sources aren't going to release this info, and conservatives don't care about real news sources anymore.

The damage has been done, the fire has been stoked, that's all the original creators cared to do-- their goal was never to inform or educate.

8/24/2015 11:32:53 AM

HUR
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I'm still confused how tissues and organs from stillborn or aborted fetuses is extra evil, naughty, bad

8/25/2015 10:47:12 PM

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while checking in on Fox to see how they were covering the Virginia shooting, I landed on them talking about a new undercover video and asking if the group behind the videos should win a Pulitzer or Nobel Peace Prize

not even dealing with reality anymore

8/26/2015 5:56:14 PM

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The Pope is pro-choice

9/1/2015 7:40:13 PM

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http://dailysignal.com/2015/09/18/conservatives-face-uphill-battle-to-use-government-funding-bill-to-punish-planned-parenthood

9/22/2015 10:51:28 AM

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Planned Parenthood has a higher favorability rating than any candidate/party/politician

but by all means, keep spreading lies about them, I'm sure it'll work out in the long run

9/29/2015 12:36:22 PM

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I guess that this would qualify as Jason Chaffetz eating crow:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGlLLzw5_KM

http://www.vox.com/2015/9/29/9417845/planned-parenthood-terrible-chart

9/29/2015 9:20:06 PM

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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/09/30/house-report-planned-parenthood-spent-millions-on-blowout-parties-travel/

9/30/2015 5:07:05 PM

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required viewing from John Oliver:

http://youtu.be/DRauXXz6t0Y

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