Found this when looking for the name of the heroin/meth combo on Breaking Bad. The guy is a recreational user of coke, meth, heroin, but says his life was ruined by weed. I can think of a couple of friends who are addicted to weed, but I can't say they ruined their lives...well maybe one guy, but he's doing halfway decent now.

Thoughts? I always heard its the other way around.

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=417318

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" for people who tried both combos whis is a better speedball (more euphoric)? oh and i wanna add a short introduction about myself if u dnt mind cuz its my first post... i would just like to point out that weed ruined my life at some point more than any of those drugs (dope/coke/meth) did... when i messed with coke, dope and meth i knew what i was gettin into... i respected these substances and used them responsibly, i fought my cravings and never got addicted or ODed on any of them... i still do them to this day, twice a year, never in the place i live though, only when im on vacation... if i count the number of times i did these drugs in the last three years it would be like 6 times... however with weed, it was always like "weed isnt even a drug", weed is natural, weed makes you peaceful, it calms u down at the end of ur day, theirs no harm in smoking a joint every once in a while! gradually I became a stoner for a year, and it was the worst year of my life, lost my confidence, lost my drive in life, and became paranoid as a mofo... I stopped smoking for a year and a half now, but some of the psychological problems i got from weed r still with me to this day... anyways i dnt fuck wit psychedelics, empatheogens or entheogens anymore... i dnt use drugs to discover myself, get enlightened, unlock the secrets of the universe, feel the love or any of that spiritual mumbo jumbo, my sole purpose of doing drugs, is getting fucked up and having one hell of a time, CHEMICAL EUPHORIA is what I strive for... so I say it loud my favourite drugs are the most addictive most pleasure enducing substances out there, cocaine, heroin and methamphetamine, and Im PROUD! hehe.. if u wanna knw more about me i meditate, practice yoga, excersie, eat healthy and spend alotta time studying... however when on vacation, IM SATAN! "

5/19/2009 2:30:06 AM

theres more than one twwer who has had a crippling addiction to weed at one point or another...


some people can do some drugs and not get addicted, others cant. just the way it goes with everything basically.

5/19/2009 2:35:07 AM

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"however when on vacation, IM SATAN! "

5/19/2009 2:35:46 AM

Sounds like this person wants something to blame for their failures, and weed just happens to be the easiest target.

5/19/2009 2:46:13 AM

This is fucking stupid.

I do weed multiple times a week and I've forgotten/do more mathematics in a day than most people will ever learn.

Motherfuckers need to stop worrying about weed.

5/19/2009 3:15:13 AM

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"I do weed"

5/19/2009 3:17:16 AM

I mean i guess it's possible i'm either super immune to weed or a complete outlier as far as intelligence goes but neither is very likely, imo

What's more likely is that weed only affects your ability to function if you're a complete shit heel

5/19/2009 3:18:36 AM

back when i first met mcdanger i would not have guessed he was a smoker

5/19/2009 3:21:44 AM

weed isn't a real drug, and it's no more addicting than a can of coca-cola

5/19/2009 3:24:04 AM

coca-cola is more addictive than weed

5/19/2009 3:25:03 AM

who cares if it is, addictive potential shouldn't be a criteria in determing whether or not to deprive freedoms

I don't think it's physically addictive, in any case. Pretty much anything can become the object of a habituation -- people make a habit of running due to chemical reinforcement* all the time, for example. Should we make running illegal? Hell, even running carries risks. If you go running in traffic with a heart condition you're probably going to encounter some issues as well.

*Reinforcement is only one of the criteria of addiction. Withdrawal is not significantly present with marijuana, nor running. This is why they can be said to form habits but not be "addictive".

[Edited on May 19, 2009 at 3:35 AM. Reason : .]

5/19/2009 3:30:36 AM

lets do drukgs

5/19/2009 3:33:49 AM

5/19/2009 3:34:03 AM

I don't see weed as any more of a problem than alcohol. alcohol is more dangerous than weed to the user and the people around him/her.

i imagine i'm also beating a horse, and preaching to the choir

5/19/2009 3:34:33 AM

^^why pot smokers will always lose the argument

5/19/2009 3:35:33 AM

5/19/2009 3:39:56 AM

All people are different -- We are not created equal.
People choose to use drugs for different reasons.
Drugs affect different people in different ways.

[Edited on May 19, 2009 at 7:57 AM. Reason : ]

5/19/2009 7:57:37 AM

I would simply point out that referring to marijuana as a "gateway drug," as some do, is a post hoc ergo propter hoc ("after this, therefore because of this") fallacy of logic.

5/19/2009 8:01:51 AM

No, it's pretty much a gateway drug, no logical fallacy committed.

5/19/2009 8:13:47 AM

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"i respected these substances and used them responsibly"

Does not compute................

5/19/2009 8:22:39 AM

lol at the gateway drug troll

5/19/2009 8:24:06 AM

FAIL BOAT IS ALWAYS CORRECT

5/19/2009 8:29:32 AM

^^^
irresponsible use = become addicted, high frequency of use interferes with daily life, use reasonably contributes to harming others
responsible use = avoid addiction, moderate to rare use creates no interference, use doesn't contribute to harming others,
(and some would add that use in no way contributes to harming oneself...)

[Edited on May 19, 2009 at 8:34 AM. Reason : ]

5/19/2009 8:34:05 AM

^ Ok, look. I'm not trying to get in an argument with you, but once again you're trying to act like you're always right. Some of the drugs listed I personally feel can NOT be used "responsibly," such as crystal meth. I'm not even going to get into it with you on why I feel it can't be used responsibly, but trust me -- I have seen it ruin quite a few people close to me and I have NEVER seen anyone use it whenever they just feel like it and not get addicted in some way, shape or form... The person even admitted to having cravings for it!

But seriously dude, I'm really not in the mood for your shit today -- try barkin up someone else's tree.

5/19/2009 8:37:57 AM

5/19/2009 9:20:07 AM

i know of a couple of people who have tried crystal meth or in one case did it for a few months and didn't get addicted, hell i know someone who did heroin a few times and just didn't like it so they stopped

yes they can all be used responsibly, yes you can be come addicted to them, we should spend the money fighting them as well as using the income from taxing them to fund education about drugs, build more rehabilitation centers, and maybe even put whats left, if any, in education in general. We need to stop forcing people underground where its harder to get help.

5/19/2009 9:22:07 AM

^^^
Calm down, I wasn't trying to give you shit... That's just what people mean when they refer to "responsible [drug] use"....
But come on... How can you possibly think that your anecdotal "evidence" means anything? I mean, really? So just because some people that you know abused drugs, then everyone else who uses those drugs must necessarily abuse them? What? Perhaps you have to believe that in order to forgive your friends for abusing drugs...

And as for him having "admitted" to having cravings... So fucking what? How the hell does merely feeling cravings constitute irresponsible use? That is an effect that many drugs have, but simply feeling it and recognizing it as a craving doesn't mean anything. In fact, he wasn't "admitting" to having cravings, he was saying that he was aware of the cravings so that he wouldn't get addicted or overdose -- and he was successful!!! (Note that he said, "i fought my cravings and never got addicted or ODed on any of them")

You see... responsible drug users are usually educated as to the addiction and overdose potential of drugs before deciding to use them. (Note that he said, "when i messed with coke, dope and meth i knew what i was gettin into... i respected these substances...") Then when they use them, they only use a little so that they can become aware of and feel the addiction cravings in order to avoid addiction or overdose. Clearly, mere instances of feeling cravings for an addictive drug are not evidence of any kind of abuse, and in fact, are a gauge that responsible drug users employ in order to avoid abuse.

[Edited on May 19, 2009 at 9:23 AM. Reason : ]

5/19/2009 9:23:11 AM

^^ I just don't see how it was used responsibly with this guy when he obviously has an addictive personality if he stated he had cravings and became addicted to using weed.. I have never met a person who did crystal meth and ended up just walking away from it -- but that's just my personal experience I guess.

^ Seriously, why do you feel the need to argue EVERYTHING? I don't feel it was responsible -- in my mind, using crystal meth is not being responsible in any way. I think your whole argument on the cravings thing is bogus because obviously he became addicted to something, in this case weed. Maybe he was able to stay away from those drugs by using weed instead and in order to curb the cravings? (That's a guess, not a for sure answer..) I just don't feel he's a "responsible drug user" seeing as he was abusing weed and feels it ruined his life. Maybe others are out there that can do all the fuckin hardcore drugs they want and stay fine and healthy with no addictions or whatever -- but until I see it for myself, I just can't believe it. I've seen people's lives ruined by the stuff and I just don't trust it.

No matter what you say, I will always feel using crystal meth is irresponsible. K, the end.

[Edited on May 19, 2009 at 9:25 AM. Reason : carats]

[Edited on May 19, 2009 at 9:31 AM. Reason : say no to drugs]

5/19/2009 9:24:48 AM

^
Right, and don't you see how it's unfair to assume others will necessarily experience what you've merely observed?

Also, how does he "obviously have an addictive personality"? He doesn't appear to have been addicted to anything. You claim that he became addicted to weed -- where does he say that? Are you just reading what you want to read?

5/19/2009 9:30:59 AM

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"No, it's pretty much a gateway drug, no logical fallacy committed."

Yeah dude, it usually leads to fast food

5/19/2009 9:31:25 AM

weed is not physiologically addictive

it CAN be psychologically addictive, however (as can most things)

the person ruins their own lives, the pot didn't do it

5/19/2009 9:33:18 AM

^^^^sounds like your friends have problems. drug addiction isn't caused by the drug as much as it's caused by the individual.

[Edited on May 19, 2009 at 9:34 AM. Reason : ^x4]

5/19/2009 9:33:36 AM

^^dude eating your own shit can be psychologically addictive. it's not the shit's fault you like it so much, it's your own damn fault for being a weird motherfucker

5/19/2009 9:34:33 AM

^5 No, I'm not reading "what I want to read," I just think he became addicted to what weed offered him at the time.

And no, I don't think it's "unfair" because it's not something I "merely observed."

^2 I never disagreed with that, but every person I've seen deal with crystal meth hasn't been able to just walk away... Maybe I should try to find someone who has done it and was fine, I don't know, but I have formed my opinions off past experiences and I'm not going to change them.. so yeah.



[Edited on May 19, 2009 at 9:37 AM. Reason : ugh carats]

5/19/2009 9:35:01 AM

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"in my mind, using crystal meth is not being responsible in any way."

Why? How is merely consuming meth irresponsible? What is irresponsibility and how does using meth fit that definition?

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" I think your whole argument on the cravings thing is bogus because obviously he became addicted to something, in this case weed. Maybe he was able to stay away from those drugs by using weed instead and in order to curb the cravings? (That's a guess, not a for sure answer..)"

Again, he never said that he became addicted to weed. In fact, he said that he smoked for a year, didn't like it, and quit. At no point does he mention using pot again, nor does he even suggest that quitting was difficult. Second, he never suggested that he was using pot to "stay away from those drugs", he never suggested that he wanted to "stay away from those drugs", and as he appears to still enjoy them on vacations, he isn't "staying away from those drugs"...

You seem to be reading in the story very clearly false details -- does this perhaps speak to why you view all use of certain drugs to be abusive?

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"I just don't feel he's a "responsible drug user" seeing as he was abusing weed and feels it ruined his life"

How was he abusing weed? He smoked for a year then quit. Furthermore, his suggestion that the negative symptoms he has experienced necessarily came from his pot use isn't exactly scientific. It is not uncommon for psychological problems to appear to correlate with changes in diet/drugs, when in fact not causational.

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"I've seen people's lives ruined by the stuff and I just don't trust it."

Have you seen people's lives ruined by food? Should you "trust it"?

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"I just think he became addicted to what weed offered him at the time"

He smoked for one year, didn't like it, then quit. How is that addiction? What do you think addiction is, anyway?

[Edited on May 19, 2009 at 9:49 AM. Reason : ]

5/19/2009 9:48:41 AM

consuming meth is irresponsible. weed on the other hand is 100% safe

5/19/2009 9:52:51 AM

^

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"What is irresponsibility and how does using meth fit that definition?"

5/19/2009 9:53:32 AM

^

5/19/2009 9:55:03 AM

I know someone who let weed destroy their life. They never smoked until they met this girl they started dating. Then he got to doing it everyday, turned into a paranoid fuck, and basically wasted away smoking everynight in his girls living room instead of doing all the shit he used to. He's pretty much worthless right now until they break up.

5/19/2009 9:56:16 AM

^sounds like the weed isn't the problem but the bitch is. he's got 99 problems but the weed ain't one

5/19/2009 9:57:19 AM

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"No, it's pretty much a gateway drug, no logical fallacy committed."

how can you honestly form this opinion when you have never consumed
from my experiences its not

5/19/2009 9:59:20 AM

^^^^
Before food....................................................... After food

So, according to your logic, consuming food is irresponsible.

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"sounds like the weed isn't the problem but the bitch is."

Exactly what I thought.... Everything was okay until the girl, right? Of course it could be neither....

[Edited on May 19, 2009 at 10:05 AM. Reason : ]

5/19/2009 10:02:25 AM

weed and ambien are the only real "drugs" I've had (alcohol, tobacco, caffeine, etc. don't count IMO, fuck what they teach you in dare and 9th grade health) and i had a legal prescription for one of them. weed lead me to a jack in the box and a movie theater last time i had some. i've used all of like 3 times in my life, 2 of them before i was even in high school. shit is not addicting and didn't lead me to shit

^I don't think people should over eat. meth is a stupid drug. high risk, it actually damages you and whatnot. weed is a low risk drug that unless someone has recently used, you can't really tell they ever have necessarily as soon as say... 2 hours later (provided they aren't the dj playing some sublime, greatful dead, 311, etc. or incredibly stupid or reek of it). you can tell who sometimes uses meth even if they haven't used it in say 2-3 months.

[Edited on May 19, 2009 at 10:06 AM. Reason : too lazy to ghost it]

5/19/2009 10:02:53 AM

maybe he blames pot for getting him into all of the other drugs that he's addicted to, which led to his ruination.

5/19/2009 10:04:09 AM

nicotine and alcohol are more of a gate way drug than pot

[Edited on May 19, 2009 at 10:06 AM. Reason : sdf]

5/19/2009 10:06:01 AM

You are the most ridiculous person on the tww, but fine - you want to play the quote game, we can play it.

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"Why? How is merely consuming meth irresponsible? What is irresponsibility and how does using meth fit that definition?"

It's irresponsible, in my OPINION, because it is highly addictive. It creates an extreme euphoria for the user but also causes an extreme crash the next day and makes them feel like shit. Thus, it becomes addicting to most who use it because it's easy to get into a cycle of using it even more to get rid of the feelings the crash causes (mentally and physically). Therefore, to me, using it is irresponsible.

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"Again, he never said that he became addicted to weed. In fact, he said that he smoked for a year, didn't like it, and quit. At no point does he mention using pot again, nor does he even suggest that quitting was difficult. Second, he never suggested that he was using pot to "stay away from those drugs", he never suggested that he wanted to "stay away from those drugs", and as he appears to still enjoy them on vacations, he isn't "staying away from those drugs"... You seem to be reading in the story very clearly false details -- does this perhaps speak to why you view all use of certain drugs to be abusive?"

He never said outright that he became addicted to it, I realize this -- but what he was describing, to me, seems like he was becoming mentally addicted to it and what it offered. He said he did it for a year and was having negative symptoms yet he continued to use it. I know he doesn't mention using pot again -- which is another reason why I think he was addicted. Maybe he realizes how addicted he became and that's why he stays away from it, or he eventually just didn't like the side effects and is now weed-free.

I'm not getting "false details," it just the way I see it. Do you feel that anyone who doesn't agree with you has false details??

In addition, I clearly stated the second part was just a thought, I never claimed he stated that or that any part of the story stated that.

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"How was he abusing weed? He smoked for a year then quit. Furthermore, his suggestion that the negative symptoms he has experienced necessarily came from his pot use isn't exactly scientific. It is not uncommon for psychological problems to appear to correlate with changes in diet/drugs, when in fact not causational."

TO ME, it seems he was abusing it because he continued to use it throughout the year while developing all these negative side effects. Then he quit. Furthermore, I NEVER said it was all scientific. I am aware that people feel you physiologically can't become addicted to weed but I feel someone can definitely become psychologically addicted to it due to the feelings it gives them.

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"Have you seen people's lives ruined by food? Should you "trust it"?"

Apples to oranges... I know food can be addicting for some and there are those who abuse it but right now that's not what we're talking about, k?

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"He smoked for one year, didn't like it, then quit. How is that addiction? What do you think addiction is, anyway?"

See above for the first question. As for what I think addiction is, I think it's getting into a habit of using something all the time out of the feeling it gives you. You can become obsessive about it and create a dependence on the thing/substance in question. To me it seems like this is what happened to this guy. I feel if he hadn't been addicted to it he would have just stopped whenever it made him feel crappy instead of letting it "ruin his life."


You obviously view this story, and drugs, in a different light than I sooo I'm going to just let you type your little heart out if you want, I've stated my views.

5/19/2009 10:06:46 AM

^^caffeine is more of a gateway drug. think of all the things you'll try to get your fix...

5/19/2009 10:06:52 AM

if you have never consumed meth then you have no idea what you are talking about regarding its severe addicting qualities. you can try once and be hooked. meth is the real deal as far as a raging addiction with very little use.

IMO any consumption of meth is irresponsible

5/19/2009 10:09:33 AM

I think maybe part of the "gateway" to weed is its illegality.

For some folks, once that threshold is passed there are no more scruples about trying anything else illegal.

And you're right. If I miss my morning coffee, and the headache starts in, I'll travel many a weary mile to get some coffee in my system

5/19/2009 10:11:09 AM

set em up

5/19/2009 10:11:48 AM