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shmorri2
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I thought I'd make a thread about anything Porsche related (like Noen's Lotus thread but better )

So what's the deal with future plans of Porsche putting a 4 banger in the Boxster? Granted, they claim the Turbo'd 4 will make ~270hp and it might even be a flat 4. They may even use the VW TDI that would only have 170hp while achieving over 40mpg. Thoughts?


[Edited on May 26, 2009 at 12:51 PM. Reason : .]

5/26/2009 12:32:10 PM

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it's okay to put a 4 banger in that little girl's car

5/26/2009 12:44:15 PM

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it's okay to put a 4 banger in that little girl's car

5/26/2009 1:02:56 PM

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I think it'd be pretty cool. But only if they charge a "4 cylinder" price, which I don't see.


Has anyone seen a Panamerica in person yet? I haven't, but from photos I think they're ugly as shit.

Anyone heard anything recently about Porsche wanting to enter IndyCar as an engine supplier?

5/26/2009 1:09:56 PM

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smaller, lighter engine that outputs a lot of power? sounds good to me. I mean I know stompingo n the gas in something with a V8 is fun and all but turboed 4 bangers aren't that bad either if they're designed from the ground up that way (i.e. not silly little civics)

and aren't FWD either.

[Edited on May 26, 2009 at 2:06 PM. Reason : .]

5/26/2009 2:06:22 PM

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"i.e. not silly little civics"


SILLY LITTLE RSX TYPE S SON.

SILLY LITTLE EVO SON.

SILLY LITTLE FAIL SON.

5/26/2009 2:11:26 PM

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Panamera

Front is nice.

Back is butt-ugly... pun intended.

A huge HATCHBACK... WTF? Couldn't they have made a proper sedan like the MB CLS, Maserati Quattroporte, or AM Rapide?

5/26/2009 2:18:22 PM

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^^ok

5/26/2009 2:26:56 PM

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WHY DO YOU FEEL THE NEED TO RESPOND TO THINGS SON?

5/27/2009 1:44:39 PM

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^ok

5/27/2009 1:49:37 PM

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Black 2006 Cayman S, 26k miles, 6sp tranny, Chrono Sports package, Bose stereo, Navigation. $41,000 with Porsche preowned certified warranty. Good price?

I think it's high.

5/27/2009 1:54:12 PM

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thats a 3 year old car...i think thats too high especially in today's economy. I find it hard to believe that these cars are flying off the lot.

5/27/2009 1:57:16 PM

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AGAIN I ASK YOU.

5/27/2009 2:10:52 PM

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^^agreed. I do understand that with the options this car probably MSRP'd around $70,000 but that's still a lot of cash.

And they are flying off the lot! The dealership had no used Caymans when I was there. They said they come in and sell very quickly.

5/27/2009 2:54:09 PM

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My old co-worker had a Cayman-S. I rode in it a few times but I wasn't all that impressed with the interior. Still a pretty nice car though but not $70k worthy IMO. I'd still stick to the classic 911 all performance numbers aside.

but damn...i didn't think they sold that quickly. I don't see too many of them on the road...at least not Cayman-S'

5/27/2009 3:26:35 PM

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Cayman-S just says "I don't want a Z but I can't afford a 911"

5/27/2009 3:30:00 PM

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5/27/2009 3:59:43 PM

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"Black 2006 Cayman S, 26k miles, 6sp tranny, Chrono Sports package, Bose stereo, Navigation. $41,000 with Porsche preowned certified warranty. Good price?

I think it's high."


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"I do understand that with the options this car probably MSRP'd around $70,000 but that's still a lot of cash."


If your Honda depreciated at $10,000 per year it would be a $4,000 car by the time it was three years old. Do you really think an in-warranty Porsche from a dealer should have depreciated more than that or did you not think that one through very well?

5/27/2009 4:09:31 PM

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Newer Porsches (generally speaking) don't hold their initial value well. The Boxster has a horrible depreciation rate, and I predicted the Cayman would do the same because it's on the same platform. Keep in mind the slight hit to the economy and the fact that newer Caymans are coming out. For comparison, I've seen plenty of regular 2006/2007 Caymans go for about $33k-$36k with options, so it does sound honest in pricing.




[Edited on May 27, 2009 at 4:27 PM. Reason : .]

5/27/2009 4:22:52 PM

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Comparing depreciation as lum sums and not percentage of original MSRPs is pretty retarded. Plus, options that jack up the price of an MSRP depreciate greatly compared the basic car. So basically, shove off...

[Edited on May 27, 2009 at 4:26 PM. Reason : and chances are pretty high the car's out of warranty]

5/27/2009 4:23:53 PM

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"with Porsche preowned certified warranty. "

5/27/2009 4:56:04 PM

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"smaller, lighter engine that outputs a lot of power? "


270hp, lot of power, hahahahaha

5/27/2009 10:06:10 PM

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^hey, that's more than what a S2000 makes. RIGHT TEGGY BOY?

5/27/2009 10:19:17 PM

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"270hp, lot of power, hahahahaha"


I was speaking figuratively since I didn't mention any numbers but since you brought up numbers, yes 270 is a lot especially in a small light car. Please google Lotus and Exige together. /theend

5/27/2009 10:53:36 PM

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"[quote]chances are pretty high the car's out of warranty"


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"with Porsche preowned certified warranty. "
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Ugh, excuse me for assuming you meant the factory warranty the car originally came with Besides the salesman already told me the certified warranty is worth around $2,000 so that's that.

5/27/2009 11:12:12 PM

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That's not a bad price for a Cayman S. I was seriously considering an '06 Cayman w/ 4k miles that was for $33k, thought that was a good deal

5/27/2009 11:29:24 PM

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"They may even use the VW TDI that would only have 170hp while achieving over 40mpg. Thoughts?"

a tdi porsche would be too damn cool. use the touareg v10 for the powR though.

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"yes 270 is a lot especially in a small light car."

lol. 270bhp isn't "a lot" in anything more than a motorcycle.

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"Please google Lotus and Exige together."

riiiight... that power to weight ratio of ~8.5 will peel your fucking face off.

[Edited on May 27, 2009 at 11:57 PM. Reason : .]

5/27/2009 11:57:06 PM

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Because boxsters weigh 2000lbs

miata first gen 2100 lbs
mr2 spyder 2150lbs
92 civic hatch 2074 lbs
lotus elise 1985lbs?
lotus exige 2020lbs?
geo metro 1800 lbs?
smart car 1585 lbs?

boxster 3000lbs


Do you know what an outlier is? A boxster weighs 48% more than the cars you listed.

5/28/2009 7:54:09 AM

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old honda insight 1975 lbs


feel free to add to the list!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111

5/28/2009 7:56:42 AM

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^^ Where does it say boxster in MY post. People were ragging on a 4 banger and I was pointing out that a 4 banger in a light car is not a bad thing. And since you couldn't think of an example on your own I had to point you in the right direction where to look. Hence your addition of the exige to your long trolling list

you should really stop and think before you jump to conclusions and start your usual trolling

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"riiiight... that power to weight ratio of ~8.5 will peel your fucking face off"


have you even seen an exige in person and its capabilities on a track? Hell, just ask Noen about his Elise's capabilities, I'm sure he's tracked it a few times already.

^you fail...try again.

I mean hell...you may have even heard of a Super 7. Another example of a car with a small lightweight engine thats not out puting any 'impressive' numbers by your vette standards but would still peel the face off of its driver around a track.

troll away...

[Edited on May 28, 2009 at 11:12 AM. Reason : s]

5/28/2009 11:04:34 AM

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^ Not to rag on you, this is more of a "general education" thing.

It's called BOXSTER because it's a combination of the BOXer engine and a roadSTER.

5/28/2009 11:10:49 AM

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^meh, a boxSter is a POS anyway and should have never been put into production.

5/28/2009 11:11:40 AM

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I've driven two Boxsters and found them to be great fun. Had Honda not come out with the S2000 for $15k less it would be much more desirable today. The fact that there was a cheaper alternative doesn't take away from the fun when you're actually behind the wheel though.

5/28/2009 12:01:37 PM

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"People were ragging on a 4 banger and I was pointing out that a 4 banger in a light car is not a bad thing. And since you couldn't think of an example on your own I had to point you in the right direction where to look. Hence your addition of the exige to your long trolling list
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You posted in a Porsche specific thread in regards to a 4 cylinder turbo engine being a posibility in a boxster. You just spit your own idea out which had nothing to do with the topic and now I'm the "troll".

Turbo'd cars are retarded anyways. I just hope Porsche engineers a decent flowing head with a bottom end capable of some revs instead of blowing 20psi+ into some garbage. The stuff they produce with their turbo'd consumer Volkswagen is borderline criminal.

5/28/2009 12:15:32 PM

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^ actually, I've read they've considered making their own in house boxer 4 for it. however, the R&D involved may not be helpful in the financial department in terms of keeping the price of future Boxsters about where they are now, especially when there's already a sensible replacement/design that currently exists. Also, the term Boxster was an initial design. While it may be contradictory to the future of the Boxster's drivetrain, I believe its roots are well established. Anyways, they may retire the name and call it something else. Who knows, it's all mostly speculation right now anyways.

^^And yes, I've heard quite the same in regards to the Boxster. I hear they are amazing track cars that are often downplayed because they don't make "high" hp #'s and you do see them almost everywhere in urban areas. I believe the S2000 also provided many consumers with a cost effective alernative as well, though they are two entirely different animals. I would love to someday be able to do what Ahmet does and just drive a variety of vehicles around the track to get a sense of what each one is really about in terms of performance and abilities so I don't have to rely on speculation and hearsay.

[Edited on May 28, 2009 at 12:25 PM. Reason : .]

5/28/2009 12:24:40 PM

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I think the only engine they can physically fit in the car is a boxer layout. 1 camshaft per piston is always a good idea!!11

5/28/2009 12:38:16 PM

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Hey Ivan, my S2000 can spank your C5. You name the time and place

5/28/2009 1:43:40 PM

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"You posted in a Porsche specific thread in regards to a 4 cylinder turbo engine being a posibility in a boxster. You just spit your own idea out which had nothing to do with the topic and now I'm the "troll". "


wow you're dense. I commented on the idea that not all 4 bangers are bad in defense of using a 4 banger in a Porsche if done right. NOT actually commenting on the setup performance numbers of the said boxster. But feel free to troll some more.

Also...not all 4 bangers have to have forced induction as my two examples demonstrate. *shrug*

I find the boxster to be very unattractive compared to other Porsche's. The front end is good but then the rear and side profile are hideous.

[Edited on May 28, 2009 at 1:56 PM. Reason : .]

5/28/2009 1:53:44 PM

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LIKE YO MAMA?!



Anyway, there would be nothing particularly wrong with a Turbocharged 4 cylinder in their smaller, lower-end models (Especially if it were a boxer setup and not an inline) IMO.

5/28/2009 2:02:30 PM

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oh dang, SON

but yeah. Nothing wrong with that.

5/28/2009 2:18:13 PM

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I think a V8 in a light weight RWD car would be good.

Nothing wrong with v8's people!!!11


--RsxtypeS

5/28/2009 7:59:20 PM

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Wait, someone called?

You know, Ian Adcock (who did a review with Aston Martin iirc) did say," When it comes to performance, there's no substitute for cubic inches. And the quickest-though often not the easiest-solution is to shoehorn the biggest engine you've got into the smallest car..."

[Edited on May 28, 2009 at 8:34 PM. Reason : .]

5/28/2009 8:33:25 PM

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5/28/2009 9:51:51 PM

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"Porsche looks downmarket, considers less pricey roadster

Twenty years ago, Porsche was tempted to build a roadster to compete with the new MX-5 Miata. It never happened. Porsche CEO Peter Schutz finally declared one day, looking very much down his nose at the low-price market: "We're not going to build a Mazda."

But Porsche has gone in a variety of new directions in the past two decades, rolling out a lower-priced sports car (the Boxster), an SUV (the Cayenne) and--gasp--a four-door sedan (the Panamera). Now Porsche once again is considering a roadster with a relatively low price--by Porsche standards.

Company insiders tell sister publication Automobilwoche that there is room for a model below the Boxster, which has a base price of $65,287. Volkswagen--joined at the hip these days with the German sports car maker--is developing the midengine Bluesport concept. Sources say Porsche may create an entry-level roadster on the Bluesport platform, which is derived from VW Polo and Golf components.
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Abridged version: Porsche wants a roadster that will compete (economically) with the Mazda Miata, however, maintain higher build quality than that of a Mazda. Now that Porsche and Volkswagen are "together," ideas of using the bluesport platform as an introductory model in the Porsche lineup are brewing.

[Edited on June 24, 2009 at 8:53 AM. Reason : .]

6/24/2009 8:52:44 AM

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^I'm not sure what kind of dollars he's using, but in the US the Boxster bases just under (or at) $50k

There's a great article in CAR magazine this month about the baby Porsche (which will also be a fixed roof hardtop as well). I'll type the whole thing out later if I can't find it online. Talks about using a twin turbo I-4 with 270hp or so, and would cost 25,000 pounds in the UK, so I'm not sure what that would cost in the US but my guess would be high $30s for a stripper.

6/24/2009 9:11:16 AM

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^ was it possibly this? I hope not, this was published last October.

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"New 2013 Baby Porsche
Rumours are rife that VW is currently developing a new small rear wheel drive roadster to compete with the Mazda MX-5 and if it is given the production go ahead; both Audi and Porsche could end up with their own version.

The replacement to today’s second generation Audi TT, due in 2013 could well adopt this platform. By moving the TT to rear wheel drive, it would join the BMW Z4, Mercedes-Benz SLK-Class and the Porsche Boxster which are all powered through the rear wheels.

Now UK based Car magazine are speculating that Porsche may also choose to use the platform to create a spiritual successor to the classic 356 or the 914 which was manufactured between 1969 and 1976..."


[Edited on June 24, 2009 at 9:31 AM. Reason : .]

6/24/2009 9:30:33 AM

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No that's not it. The article I read was quite long and talks about a common platform being shared among Audi, VW, and Porsche. However the Audi version will be slotted in below the TT (which is moving up market). Neither the Audi or VW would have even close to the hp amounts of the Porsche version. Also, only Porsche would have a coupe version.

Either way, not a huge fan of this platform sharing. Sounds like a bastard, not a purebred Porsche.

6/24/2009 10:40:25 AM

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^pfft. Porsche didn't start off purebred. Ahmet and a few others will probably be able to chime in about the current platforms. I know the Cayenne shares it's platform with the Toureg. Otherwise, I believe the Boxster/Cayman and 997 are independent. It could be that they share components with other brands, however, I don't think there's a car out there where EVERY component is designed in house.

6/24/2009 11:00:43 AM

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Well yeah, everyone knows the Cayenne and Toureg share a lot of stuff. But nobody considers those real Porsches anyway.

And I'm well aware of the 356, 912, 914, and 924

6/24/2009 11:04:59 AM

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I always thought that the Boxster was a 914 revival.

6/24/2009 11:21:45 AM

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