Pretty neat, especially the bug tracking capability and modularity. I want to setup one for work.

http://wave.google.com/

This is a good example of how behind on the times Microsoft is. Searching is so '98.

[Edited on June 2, 2009 at 1:37 PM. Reason : a]

6/2/2009 1:32:30 PM

Didn't watch the whole thing. Interesting... but looks like the same stuff re-hashed and thrown together with sprinkles on top.

I guess it's nice for people who like to experience information overload. Sometimes a simple scoop of vanilla ice cream in a plain cone is enough. Google Wave sounds like a vanilla and strawberry dipped cone swirled with butterfinger bits chopped into perfect cubes and sprinkles on top.

I'm just being critical. I guess I'll stop hatin' until I get a chance to use it.

6/2/2009 1:59:16 PM

I Watched the first couple minutes and it still hasn't gotten to the part where it tells you what it is. Can I get some cliff notes instead of watching the entire 80+ minutes?

6/2/2009 2:04:38 PM

This is a good example of google just trying to make a big announcement before Microsoft Bing is launched. Not that I'm going use bing, just calling a spade a spade.

6/2/2009 2:15:45 PM

Quote :

"I Watched the first couple minutes and it still hasn't gotten to the part where it tells you what it is. Can I get some cliff notes instead of watching the entire 80+ minutes?"

6/2/2009 2:35:55 PM

One thing I've noticed them touting a lot in this video is their "live" interaction. Sounds stupid to me. But, I guess it floats some people's boats.

I'm not online 24/7, so seeing someone reply live to my e-mail I just sent out 1.0032 seconds ago doesn't really wow me. I like the fact that no one can see what I'm typing before I press the Enter/Send key. Backspace is my number one most used key of all time. But again, some folks really like it when other people are all up in their business and know exactly where they are, when they are, how they are.

So, I'm sure the Twitter/Facebook/Myspace status fans will love this new "live" interaction feature.


Here's a quick review someone did on Google Wave: http://mashable.com/2009/05/31/google-wave-test/

[Edited on June 2, 2009 at 2:42 PM. Reason : link]

6/2/2009 2:40:17 PM

The "live" interaction is very useful in cases... a sales manager can have a 10 minute meeting on a Friday morning with 100 reps via a wave with no phone needed. Easier than hosting a Webex session or getting an IM group together.

There was thread made recently - someone was looking for something almost exactly like this for their company... sounds like Wave will integrate with Google maps, too.

Quote :

"I work for a sales services company and thought doing something like this would be sweet if each of our sales team is able to enter what they are selling real time in the field. We are already investigating putting PDAs in our reps hands to track what they are doing in the field real time to avoid lengthy call reports when they return home and to get a sense of how sales progress through a time continuum intraday. What Im thinking is we could link up their sales and field activity and give the client a real time visual of "whats up"."

So your 10 or 20 reps just post in the Wave real time, their location is saved, seems simple.

I think the other feature is live search - meaning if there's a checkpoint on Hillsborough at 11:00 PM, people can post it and you can see it immediately, etc etc.

6/2/2009 3:00:13 PM

Cliff notes:

It's an open protocol that manages data and conflict resolution at the middle layer.

What that means:

Say you have a wave open and you are in a meeting taking notes to an "email you are going to send others."
Your engineers are monitoring the wave in real time, any mobile devices are also updated in real time, you can add "Widgets" which receive the response as well. Widgets include ability to publish the wave as a blog post just by replying to the "Bloggy" widget. Want to use it as a bug tracker? Add the buggy widget and it up dates the bug database in real time as you are taking notes. The engineers can then start in the presentation. The bug you just opened was sent to the tracker database and updated in the Wave in real time so the bug will now have a link you can follow.

Since it's open they use an example of Milton from office space writing a mainframe client. He sends a wave blip and it updates all the browsers subscriped in real time.

Hour mark 1:02:00 starts the bug tracker example which is one of the most interesting features.

The immediate stuff isn't near as compelling as the ease of interaction into other web mediums.

[Edited on June 2, 2009 at 3:34 PM. Reason : a]

6/2/2009 3:26:57 PM

This is definitely VERY cool stuff. Already having conversations with my team about some of the really awesome principles in Wave... it's definitely going to be useful for a LOT of commercial services.

I think Google might have really found their next goldmine here, though I do wonder how they are going to monetize it given the tremendous amount of bandwidth and processing power needed to handle the data.

Quote :

"This is a good example of how behind on the times Microsoft is. Searching is so '98."

I find it amusing that you have SUCH a stick up your ass about Microsoft. What does this have to do with MS at all? If you are going to call someone out for being behind the times, wouldn't it be twitter/_insert_social_platform_/_insert_IM_platform_/wordpress/yahoo that is behind the times?

Last I checked, Microsoft isn't really in the web platform game... for better or worse.

6/2/2009 5:01:21 PM

If you ignore the part about how Google wrote it,it's really not that impressive. You will probably see this go the same way that Jabber went.

6/2/2009 5:44:53 PM

So Google will be acquired by Cisco, haha.

I thought Jabber was enterprise only but I never used it. I do like the live search which will probably kill twitter as far as capabilities. I think of how fast wikipedia is updated when someone famous dies... for that to show instantly in a web search is pretty amazing. It'll give new meaning to [old]

[Edited on June 2, 2009 at 6:12 PM. Reason : s]

6/2/2009 5:54:34 PM

^^ yeah, but if you don't ignore the fact that Google wrote it, you will realize that Google is one of the few companies in the world who can introduce a platform like this, which may not make money for years, if ever, and still support it indefinitely until it gains a critical mass.

I expect they integrate Gmail into Wave, if it's not part of it already. If they want to "eat their own dog food", they will use the Wave API to hook Gmail and Google Talk into Wave. In that case, I'm on board - i'll start using Wave to do all my email business.

6/2/2009 6:45:50 PM

Quote :

"I do like the live search which will probably kill twitter as far as capabilities."

what the hell is that supposed to mean? am i missing something about Twitter? it's just a forum for attn whores to post nothing but status updates right?

6/2/2009 7:55:33 PM

I actually said that just to troll you in I've never been big on the other services you listed I was mainly just remarking how they have not really kept up with the internet age.

Keep in mind you can run your own wave server for interdepartmental stuff. Google usually rolls out services incrementally internal scaling up to company wide then public beta then full public. They did that with everything.

6/2/2009 8:01:35 PM

^There are plenty of attention whores, but there are plenty of cool things you can learn/see from your followers, esp. if you have a business.

6/2/2009 8:01:59 PM

Quote :

"So Google will be acquired by Cisco, haha."

Thank god you put a haha on the end of that!

6/2/2009 8:12:07 PM

It seems like Cael is the only one here who really understands the power of this platform.

Email and Twitter is seriously just scratching the very tip of the iceberg. The wikipedia + instant search index update is getting more meaty, but still that's really just a horsepower issue, not much of a need for what Wave does.

Quote :

"I was mainly just remarking how they have not really kept up with the internet age. Keep in mind you can run your own wave server for interdepartmental stuff. Google usually rolls out services incrementally internal scaling up to company wide then public beta then full public. They did that with everything."

Yeah, you are dead on correct with that in terms of web platforms and standards.

But just an FYI, google doesn't do much internal scaling. They have ~ 20k employees. Other than their Apps engine, that's not enough people to actually care about web service scaling. Which is why most of their products are in perma-beta. Certainly everything starts out internally, but you are grossly misjudging the quality of and scalability of code they release in their beta products. The web is a very forgiving platform

6/2/2009 9:30:16 PM

Quote :

"But just an FYI, google doesn't do much internal scaling"

I agree with almost everything you say in TT, but I'm gonna have to disagree with you here. Unless you're playing some implicit trickery with the word 'internal', there are a couple of google services that absolutely scream 'scaling', (youtube, search, gmail). If goog doesn't do much internal scaling, for comparison sake, who do you think does?

6/3/2009 2:35:37 AM

^ and ^^

I interviewed with their site reliability group so I think I have a small idea of how they work they have roll out plans to make sure the code is good to go by the time it hits the public. By scaling I meant a code effiency standpoint. They went over how they stage that and what the architecture for the high load services is.

[Edited on June 3, 2009 at 7:06 AM. Reason : a]

6/3/2009 7:03:32 AM

Quote :

"what the hell is that supposed to mean? am i missing something about Twitter? it's just a forum for attn whores to post nothing but status updates right?"

Read page 2 of the Bing thread, hahaha

6/3/2009 8:34:58 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Wave

Basically, Google is developing an Open Source platform that is designed to merge e-mail, instant messaging, wiki, and social networking in real time. It is intended to replace the e-mail protocol.

6/3/2009 1:33:01 PM

That's a fairly weak explanation, though it may be somewhat true. The ability to do publishing and seamlessly integrate into other web platforms is the real meat of what it is. If you'd of read the thread or seen the presentation you'd understand that.

I'd be really interested to know the total development costs.

6/3/2009 1:55:34 PM

cdubya and Cael, when you are talking about "internal scaling" I take that to mean internal USAGE, aka dogfooding. My point there being, their company isn't big enough to actually get real world dogfooding scalability value. I'm sure they do plenty of automated and simulation scaling internally, but those are two different types of scalability testing.

6/3/2009 5:23:09 PM

Quote :

"I interviewed with their site reliability group so I think I have a small idea of how they work"

I worked with the site reliability team on a daily basis for the better part of two years, so I'm right there with you

6/3/2009 5:44:32 PM

For everyday social networking fodder, I think this sucks. However, I would kill for this sor tof environment for my software development team.

6/4/2009 12:03:53 AM

if you're having trouble seeing "the big picture"

Quote :

"I imagine that there are as many pitfalls to defining and explaining Wave as Westinghouse and Edison found when trying explaining the concept of the electrical grid to the masses. You plug a light bulb into the socket and the crowd oohs and aahs and assumes that Electricity is all about illumination; it’s a marvelous way of producing light without the open flames or soot of candles and oil lamps. Technically that’s true, but it misses the point."

http://www.suntimes.com/business/1606282,ihnatko-google-wave-060309.article

6/4/2009 12:52:18 PM

cdubya probably has a much better idea than me, but it works like this and part of it is internal users, then internal users + friends/family etc.

1000s, 10,000s, millions, 10s of millions etc.

6/4/2009 1:20:49 PM

Aside from the realtime updating and open source, I dont see how its much different from other collaberation suites.

The biggest problem is integrating 3rd party apps into your collab suite. With wave or something else its still up to you or the 3rd party to write the integration. Being open will surely help wave though.

6/4/2009 1:34:10 PM

Being open-source doesn't make it any better. Pagerank isn't open.

6/4/2009 5:47:15 PM

^ those two statements are non-related, and incomplete.

"being open source doesn't necessarily make it better"
and
"page rank isn't open, however, we have no basis of comparison to a similar open system and can therefore make no judgement on if it is better or worse off for being proprietary"

6/4/2009 5:49:41 PM

^^

In this case it very well does. I bet over night there will be Facebook, Twitter, Wikipedia and every other type of Wave robot you can think of, perhaps even TWW

6/5/2009 8:43:08 AM

I can see many potential uses for this within the corporate environment. Pretty cool, but there will definitely be a critical mass part of this that will become important, obviously, if its going to successfully replace email. Hell, theres plenty of people out there that dont really use email still ... let alone Gmail ... let alone new web technologies.

6/5/2009 9:08:29 AM

i meant the protocol being open (as in freely available documentation) will help adoption.

6/5/2009 9:50:21 AM

I got developer access. Anyone else sign up for it? I haven't played with it yet.

7/24/2009 11:06:03 AM

I signed up but didnt get access yet.

7/24/2009 12:39:24 PM

yeah i thought they weren't opening up access till october or something

[Edited on July 24, 2009 at 1:06 PM. Reason : i guess you mean you signed up for the API Access]

7/24/2009 1:00:13 PM

Yeah I have actual beta access. If anyone wants an invite pm me. It's buggy as shit.

7/27/2009 10:29:00 AM

yeah I want it. PM me an invite

7/28/2009 12:42:57 PM

same, if you're giving them out like that.

7/28/2009 12:45:17 PM

Apparently this is way limited. I tried to add Parks but I don't think that is working yet. It is working a lot better today. I wrote a robot for it. I can't think of anything I want it to do yet.

7/28/2009 1:14:41 PM

well thanks for trying, I don't know what I would use it for, but I'd like to play around with it

7/28/2009 1:15:29 PM

Anyone got invites for this??

10/2/2009 11:44:27 AM

I'd also like to have an invite if anyone has an extra.

10/2/2009 11:59:38 AM

^

10/2/2009 12:41:11 PM

I've got some invites to spare, if anyone is interested PM me your email addy.

10/2/2009 3:25:19 PM

I'm out of invites- gave them out in the order I received the requests.

They could take a few days to process, so plz to be patient.

10/2/2009 8:03:59 PM

Has anybody gotten the invites I sent yet?

10/4/2009 2:32:51 PM

so, anybody using it - is it integrated with Gmail in anyway yet?
Do you have to create a new Wave account? Or can you read your Gmail inside Wave, or convert/start Gmail messages as Waves?
To talk to other people, do they also have to have Wave accounts?

10/4/2009 2:50:22 PM

if anyone has an invite left Id love to have one. Thanks!

10/4/2009 8:54:26 PM

Just another thing my company's IT department will block...

10/4/2009 8:56:09 PM