I'm going there next week for Siemens training. Anybody ever been there or know of any cool places to go? I was excited about getting to go to NY but this place seems like its in the middle nowhere.

6/5/2009 11:22:00 AM

hahahaha

middle of nowhere from what i understand

turbine town, usa

[Edited on June 5, 2009 at 11:22 AM. Reason : what line of work are you in?]

6/5/2009 11:22:32 AM

I hate when people say the live in NY when they don't live in the city

It's inferred if you just say "New York" you're talking about Manhattan, or at least one of the other 3 boroughs (Staten doesn't count)

If you live upstate, you have to say the town you live in




The OP didn't violate this protocol; just thought I'd vent

6/5/2009 11:24:53 AM

when you live upstate, you're supposed to say that you live upstate - naming the town is worthless

6/5/2009 11:31:58 AM

I think you mean semens training

amirite?

6/5/2009 11:32:28 AM

6/5/2009 11:32:33 AM

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"I hate when people say the live in NY when they don't live in the city"

thats because youre an idiot

6/5/2009 11:34:16 AM

djeternal has no respect for the equipment that makes his lights come on

6/5/2009 11:34:26 AM

No, its a big state, there's a difference between Syracuse and Buffalo

[Edited on June 5, 2009 at 11:35 AM. Reason : ^^ look a local Raleigh yokel proclaiming geographic relavence ]

6/5/2009 11:34:28 AM

I work for the NC Electric Membership Corporation. We are a Generation and Transmission company that supplies power to all of the electric cooperatives in the state.

6/5/2009 11:34:58 AM

what's the diff?

6/5/2009 11:34:58 AM

just curious, if you say you live in NY and it implies Manhattan or the other 3 boroughs, what do the other people from the state say?

"I live in the shitty area that surrounds NY, its technically NY, but no one acknowledges it as NY"

6/5/2009 11:36:27 AM

same as the difference between Charlotte and Raleigh

Yeah if I live in Florida, you can just say you live in NC, I don't give a shit where

but if you're from the area, it matters whether its Charlotte or Raleigh

6/5/2009 11:36:32 AM

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"djeternal has no respect for the equipment that makes his lights come on"

i bet I could turn a light on with my semen if I aimed it just right

6/5/2009 11:36:32 AM

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"just curious, if you say you live in NY and it implies Manhattan or the other 3 boroughs, what do the other people from the state say? "I live in the shitty area that surrounds NY, its technically NY, but no one acknowledges it as NY""

You say the name of the town if you're talking to someone familiar with the state "I live in Albany" or "I live in Cooperstown"

If talking to someone not familiar with the state, simply saying "Upstate NY" will suffice

6/5/2009 11:37:52 AM

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"look a local Raleigh yokel proclaiming geographic relavence "

no i just have the basic intelligence to understand that new york is a city as well as a state and not to make a retarded assumption that anytime someone mentions new york they are talking about the city and not the state

[Edited on June 5, 2009 at 11:38 AM. Reason : .]

6/5/2009 11:37:57 AM

ahahahahahah

djeternal with the lolz

hahahaha

6/5/2009 11:38:39 AM

that assumption would be incorrect saps

When you say "I live in New York" to the average non new yorker

They will assume you live in the city

6/5/2009 11:39:21 AM

i went to college in Albany, about 20 minutes east of Schenectady.

Schenectady itself is a dump. It used to be a huge hub for General Electric, but GE left town several years ago and the place has gone downhill. They're trying to do a downtown revitalization, but if it's anything like it was two years ago, you're not gonna be too entertained. If you have time, I would recommend renting a car and doing the following things:

1) Drive up to the Adirondack Mountains and do some hiking or sightseeing. Saratoga Springs, about an hour north of Schenectady, is really nice and has a walkable downtown. Hadley Mountain is about another half hour from Saratoga and is a really nice quick hike with great views.
2) Cooperstown is about an hour west, if you're into baseball history
3) Howe Caverns
4) NYC, Montreal, and Boston are only 3 hours away
5) Thacher State Park is very close and has some great hiking and views

If you want any semblance of nightlife, I'd make a quick drive to Albany and go to Lark Street, but since college is out I'm not sure how crazy it will be.

6/5/2009 11:39:37 AM

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"I hate when people say the live in NY when they don't live in the city"

Well, you're the type of person worth hating.
"new york" is a state, "new york city" is a city. Get a clue.

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"It's inferred if you just say "New York" you're talking about Manhattan, or at least one of the other 3 boroughs (Staten doesn't count)"

Incorrect.
Only you and other language abusers infer that -- it is not implied. If you mean to refer to the city, then you either say the word "city" as in "new york city", or you say manhattan, brooklyn, queens, the bronx, or staten island (yes, staten does count, you prick...)

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"If you live upstate, you have to say the town you live in"

You, you don't. You simply say, "I live in new york." Just like we say, "I live in north carolina."

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"when you live upstate, you're supposed to say that you live upstate"

No, you're not.

6/5/2009 11:41:25 AM

ahaha where you been lately willy?

been kinda boring w/o you bo

6/5/2009 11:42:29 AM

^^^Thanks, that is very helpful. I doubt I will be able to go out very far because we have class from 9 -4 everyday. Cooperstown sounds like a good idea though, hadn't thought about that. Might get some hiking in as well.

[Edited on June 5, 2009 at 11:43 AM. Reason : .]

6/5/2009 11:42:54 AM

Thing is there are so many little places with weird names that no one knows (unlike Charlotte or Raleigh). If I say I'm from (or in) Monsey who's going to know that? Or Spring Valley or New City, and so on. Although I do kind of agree with SF, I generally tell people I'm from upstate New York, it's the easiest way of saying NY state but not the city.

6/5/2009 11:43:22 AM

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"When you say "I live in New York" to the average non new yorker They will assume you live in the city"

no, only retards like you would make that assumption, the intelligent people would say "oh really? which part?"

6/5/2009 11:43:25 AM

Allow me to interject.

As someone who grew up in the shadow of New York City, anyone who said they were "from New York" I'd assume to mean anywhere in the State. Anyone who said they were "from the city" I would take to mean New York City.

Speaking with anyone who actually LIVES in the city and talking to someone who knows the area just says the neighborhood they are living in (i.e.- "I live on the Upper East Side" or "I'm from Rockaway").

6/5/2009 11:43:41 AM

Willy Nilly is under the impression that NY works like other states

It does not. Lots of people in the rest of the country aren't even aware that NY exists outside of NYC.

When you say "I live in NY" to the average person, 9 out of 10 will assume NYC.

and yes I reluctantly admit the IQ of the average TWWer is slightly higher than that of the average person.

but unless you're at a MENSA meeting, the majority will assume you live in the city.

I've lived up there and I live down here, I know. Unless Willy Nilly has equal experience in both regions, he's not fit to comment on the matter.



I am talking about people NATIONWIDE...not people in the tristates

IF you say you live in NY to someone in NC, Georgia, Alabama, etc....they thing NYC.

[Edited on June 5, 2009 at 11:46 AM. Reason : x]

6/5/2009 11:45:30 AM

^^
Exactly.

Nobody listen to Slave Famous on this -- he is wrong.

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"ahaha where you been lately willy? been kinda boring w/o you bo"

I DISAGREE

6/5/2009 11:46:11 AM

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"When you say "I live in NY" to the average person, 9 out of 10 will assume NYC"

6/5/2009 11:47:42 AM

i grew up 30 minutes from manhattan, but when someone in NC asks me where i'm from, i just say NYC to avoid any confusion. fuck it, it's close enough. i hate it when i get a blank stare when i say the town that i actually grew up in.

6/5/2009 11:51:21 AM

Thank you, another voice of reason

Yes, the "from the city" and neighborhood designations work to people who live in the region

but most of us live in North Carolina, and in North Carolina, telling someone you're going to New York, or you live in New York, makes them think of skyscrapers and subways, not mountains and buffalo wings.

6/5/2009 11:51:24 AM

NEW YORK CITY!

6/5/2009 11:54:04 AM

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"Willy Nilly is under the impression that NY works like other states...It does not."

Yes, it does. Why don't you fuck off with your "NYC is so important" bullshit?...

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"Lots of people in the rest of the country aren't even aware that NY exists outside of NYC."

So? Are we letting dumb people control the language, now?

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"When you say "I live in NY" to the average person, 9 out of 10 will assume NYC."

Can you prove the numbers in that claim? I doubt it's much more than half, if that. Besides, that doesn't matter anyway. If 9 out of 10 people think pigs can fly, they still can't.

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"unless you're at a MENSA meeting, the majority will assume you live in the city."

You've basically repeated yourself three times here. Your only point is that a bunch of people see it the way you see it, and therefore you're right. The problem is, all of you are wrong, and nothing you can say will ever change that.

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"I've lived up there and I live down here, I know. Unless Willy Nilly has equal experience in both regions, he's not fit to comment on the matter."

NyM410 has experience in both regions, and yet he knows what he's talking about. You're just a loser city snob.

[Edited on June 5, 2009 at 11:56 AM. Reason : ]

6/5/2009 11:55:44 AM

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"Schenectady itself is a dump. It used to be a huge hub for General Electric, but GE left town several years ago and the place has gone downhill. They're trying to do a downtown revitalization, but if it's anything like it was two years ago, you're not gonna be too entertained. If you have time, I would recommend renting a car and doing the following things:"

this sounds like Erie, PA. If GE left, I don't know if that city would survive.

6/5/2009 11:58:57 AM

I'd copy your every sentence break down style, but all I need is one

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"If 9 out of 10 people think pigs can fly, they still can't. "

But if 90 percent of people believe it, you have to qualify it in your conversation

Perception is Reality

If people are under the assumption of something, you have to go out of your way to tell them the contrary

You can be stubborn and call them and me stupid for not knowing immediately what you are talking about, but you'd be losing 90 percent of your target audience

And as an opening salvo to the "I don't talk to people that stupid" retort...then you don't talk to people in North Carolina

6/5/2009 12:01:49 PM

^in nc or anywhere-

god you're annoying sf -

6/5/2009 12:03:23 PM

god you're amazing sf -

6/5/2009 12:04:16 PM

i must say, i'm with slave on this one. i don't give a fuck what the book definition of anything is. all that matters is what people perceive when they hear something. you'll learn this once you get in the real world. i have a perfect example:

book definition of a steam seal packing exhauster is the whole heat exhanger unit with blower, motor, all the bells and whistles. if you look in the manufacturer's books, that's how they'll use that term. a maintenance superintendant at a plant told me they needed a second steam seal packing exhauster. what he meant was that they needed a second SSPE blower and motor. these are two completely different items. the price difference for these two jobs is like 10k vs. 100k. not only does he refer to the blower/motor as the exhauster, but so does pretty much everyone else. now which definition is better for me to use? the one in a 50 yr old book or the one that everyone actually uses and will help me get my point across and not result in huge mistakes at my job?

[Edited on June 5, 2009 at 12:14 PM. Reason : should i go around telling everyone they're wrong and make them hate the snot-nosed engineer?]

6/5/2009 12:12:42 PM

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"But if 90 percent of people believe it, you have to qualify it in your conversation Perception is Reality"

No, you don't. You only have to if you feel it necessary to "hold their hand" through the conversation. If they're smart, they'll learn their mistake, and when they make it, you can correct them -- much as you're attempting to correct me.

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"If people are under the assumption of something, you have to go out of your way to tell them the contrary"

No, you don't. You simply go on living your life, and if they make a mistake -- it's on them. But hey... If you want to support the abuse of language and allow dumb people to have undue control over it, apparently for mere convenience -- then go ahead... but don't act like you're right.

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"You can be stubborn and call them and me stupid for not knowing immediately what you are talking about, but you'd be losing 90 percent of your target audience"

I will. You all are stupid for not knowing. Why? Because "new york" is a general thing that includes many cities... and "new york city" is a more specific thing that exists inside of "new york". Plus, the boroughs are an even more specific thing that exists inside of "new york city". So, when someone says, "new york", it should be assumed that they are referring to the most general case -- because general comes before specific. Furthermore, with the boroughs being most specific of the three, using those names makes even more sense than saying "new york city". Therefore, it is doubly inappropriate to suggest that "new york" is the correct term for the city.

Also, again, can you back up this 9 out of 10 ten figure you keep citing?

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"i don't give a fuck what the book definition of anything is. all that matters is what people perceive when they hear something. you'll learn this once you get in the real world."

I disagree completely. Such disregard for language is more destructive to society than all the gangs and terrorists put together. Also, "book definition" isn't what's important here. These aren't words being defined -- they're just place-names. A debate over the definition of a word ("natural", "fascism", etc.,) is different. I agree that the book definition of words may be worthless -- but some objectivity must be maintained for technical or legal speak. You're overlooking the vast difference between most words in general and mere names. If everyone calls Bill Smith by the name "Scooter", even though he repeatedly corrects them, should you call him "Scooter"? Remember: If you call him Bill Smith, 90% of people won't know who you're talking about.... Should we go by the "book definition" or what most people say?

6/5/2009 12:23:50 PM

pretty sure my points still stand that

a) sf is a retrad for making that assumption

b) he's even more of a retard for hating people who understand the difference between a city and a state

even if your made-up 9 out of 10 number is even remotely correct, which it isn't, its saying 9 out of town people in the country are idiots and that you are one of them. congratulations!

6/5/2009 12:24:15 PM

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"Should we go by the "book definition" or what most people say?"

go by the one that gets your point across. it's easy, really.

6/5/2009 12:26:22 PM

ive got a friend from Vestal/Binghampton and they say they are from Upstate. But it always bothered me because I generalize "up" with "north" and binghampton is like <10 miles from the border with PA

6/5/2009 12:30:53 PM

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"go by the one that gets your point across. it's easy, really."

So, ends justify means?
Even though Bill has repeatedly said that his name is not "Scooter", you're still going to refer to him as that, because it "gets your point across"? Sad.

6/5/2009 12:34:09 PM

welcome to the real world

fend for self, son

6/5/2009 12:35:11 PM

Slave is right.

6/5/2009 12:35:40 PM

I guess it's time to bring this baby out of the archives and dust it off.

6/5/2009 12:35:57 PM

willy should have that pic on the back of his locker room door

6/5/2009 12:36:37 PM

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"SCHENECT A DUMP"

6/5/2009 12:39:08 PM

a) anyone is a retard for making that assumption

b) they are even more of a retard for hating people who understand the difference between a city and a state

6/5/2009 12:39:26 PM

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"Well, you're the type of person worth hating. "new york" is a state, "new york city" is a city. Get a clue."

To be technical Willy Nilly, this is wrong. When you mail someone a letter in Manhattan you don't address it New York City, NY. You address it New York, NY.

6/5/2009 12:43:09 PM

set em up

6/5/2009 12:59:12 PM