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dubcaps
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This fool is running a Honda 2000. I'll win. Then me and my dad can roll together when he gets out of prison. It's all good

6/9/2009 4:37:20 PM

TKE-Teg
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My name is TKE-Teg and I approve of this thread

6/9/2009 4:46:51 PM

shmorri2
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In on page 1.

These cars are SOOOOO outdated.

[Edited on June 9, 2009 at 4:51 PM. Reason : .]

6/9/2009 4:50:31 PM

TKE-Teg
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I will bitch slap your LT1 with my I4!

6/9/2009 4:52:51 PM

shmorri2
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If you could only catch me f00l

6/9/2009 4:57:47 PM

1in10^9
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Love S2000!

6/9/2009 5:37:19 PM

sumfoo1
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2jz s2000

6/9/2009 5:42:34 PM

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"This fool is running a Honda 2000. I'll win. Then me and my dad can roll together when he gets out of prison. It's all good"


Jesse, don't do it. I bet you he's got more than a hundred grand under the hood of that car...

6/9/2009 6:24:18 PM

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6/9/2009 6:41:49 PM

dubcaps
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so who is going to the autox in danville?

[Edited on June 9, 2009 at 7:04 PM. Reason : ]

6/9/2009 7:03:14 PM

Quinn
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the roof fell off this \-/onda POS

6/9/2009 8:42:13 PM

Skack
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lol. Do you live in a little house on a prairie?

6/9/2009 9:30:09 PM

Quinn
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i was on vacation d00d. had to put it somewhere

6/9/2009 10:16:23 PM

dubcaps
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we need all posters in this thread to man up and go to the autox in danville.

6/9/2009 10:27:53 PM

theDuke866
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my old S2000

[Edited on June 9, 2009 at 10:39 PM. Reason : ]

6/9/2009 10:38:50 PM

dubcaps
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^i remember seeing pictures of your car a few years? ago. i remember thinking it was full of win. anyone currently driving an s2000 with FI?

6/9/2009 10:47:50 PM

TKE-Teg
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I'd go to the autox, but I'm driving back from DC that day! Seriously though, let's all find one we can attend (that's not at a shitty location).

6/9/2009 11:08:37 PM

dubcaps
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does anyone have a spare type r sticker i could borrow? i'm having trouble putting power down to the front wheels?

6/10/2009 12:56:19 AM

Stein
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I guess if you like Japanese roadsters the S2000 is kinda cool.

6/10/2009 9:02:27 AM

Skack
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I guess so.

6/10/2009 9:36:57 AM

SaabTurbo
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Nah, not really.

6/10/2009 10:04:49 AM

TKE-Teg
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probably...considering its the best of its era from Japan.

6/10/2009 11:27:34 AM

toyotafj40s
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eh

6/10/2009 11:32:47 AM

TKE-Teg
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name a better performing convertible from Japan from 1999-2009 if you disagree with me.

6/10/2009 11:55:40 AM

SaabTurbo
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I can name PLENTY son.


PLENTY.

6/10/2009 11:59:32 AM

sparky
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then do it

6/10/2009 12:28:40 PM

toyotafj40s
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miata speed

[Edited on June 10, 2009 at 1:08 PM. Reason : .]

6/10/2009 1:07:05 PM

SaabTurbo
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"then do it"


DO WHAT SON?!

6/10/2009 1:27:41 PM

shmorri2
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LEXUS IFA WILL PWN THE s2k. [/thread]

6/10/2009 1:52:28 PM

TKE-Teg
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^lol

^^^Umm....no?

6/10/2009 2:42:26 PM

toyotafj40s
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um yes

6/10/2009 4:10:57 PM

RSXTypeS
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Where does the 350z and I assume the convertible 370z when or if its out fit?

6/10/2009 4:28:49 PM

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a 350z coupe is probably a small increment up the performance ladder, at least as a total package. I think the coupe would probably lag the S2000.

The 370z convertible will probably be a good step ahead of the S2000. Hopefully it isn't as godawful ugly as the 350z ragtop.

6/10/2009 5:07:50 PM

Quinn
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The 370Z has the best engine of any NA car period!

The 2006+ 350Z will spank a slow2000!

6/10/2009 6:34:30 PM

Stein
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"The 370z convertible will probably be a good step ahead of the S2000. Hopefully it isn't as godawful ugly as the 350z ragtop."


From every picture I've seen, it's a lot nicer.

6/10/2009 7:17:37 PM

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"The 370Z has the best engine of any NA car period!"


and behind door #2 we have the winner....

6/10/2009 7:53:34 PM

1in10^9
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"The 370Z has the best engine of any NA car period!"


hmmm..


LS3/LS7?
S54?

6/10/2009 8:09:25 PM

dubcaps
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to be the best NA engine it has to be found in car possessing the type r badge. anything else is only pretending.

6/10/2009 8:37:15 PM

Quinn
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S54 : heavily tweaked intake and exhaust, cast iron engine block, no variable lift. 330hp 11.5:1 CR. A rod bearing recall on a high revving engine is scary as hell to me.

LS3/LS6 : GREAT output. Not enough technology. AWESOME engine. I cant say enough about what they have done with what they had. At the end of the day its a 5.7L with 10.5:1 CR making what 400hp? Point is they could easily improve on it. We , the consumer, wouldn't want to pay for it. They pretty much aced their genre. It's just hard to give him the win with the lack of tech. I'm a geek!

M3 V8 : Variable valve lift and variable cam timing. Great design. Unfortunately it doesn't get the worthless Quinn award because well it isnt cheap to produce. It isnt in an affordable car. K.I.S.S. 4L and 420HP 12:1 CR.

370Z : variable valve lift, variable cam timing . 330hp 3.7L 11:1 CR. Sure it doesn't win the HP/L over the S54 but the engine block is aluminum. It's also available at a more affordable price point. I guess time will tell if its reliable .



That being said I would take any 4 in the car this thread was about except the S54. Even mid engined I don't want a cast iron block in the toucan of car noses. The thing I most admire about nissan is their continual improvement process. They keep upgrading the engine to keep up with the competition. Honda on the other hand is a complete joke.

6/10/2009 8:58:05 PM

sumfoo1
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mehh....

ls1/2/7 lighter (per hp) cheaper stronger

i agree with the s54 that motor is awesome and not all at once... every motor needs ITBs stock
but the cast iron block leaves something to be desired or...weight that should have been shed.

6/10/2009 9:27:46 PM

BigBlueRam
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EL ES WON

6/10/2009 10:38:20 PM

1in10^9
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"heavily tweaked intake and exhaust, cast iron engine block, no variable lift. 330hp 11.5:1 CR. A rod bearing recall on a high revving engine is scary as hell to me."


Heavily tweaked intake and exhaust? Are you joking me? Engineering an almost full-bred race engine with solid lifters into a production car to endure daily grind and easily capable of going 200k+ miles is history making engineering feat Rod bearing recall was just that - recall. All engines from 2003 and up include redesigned rod bearings and all of them before 2003 had the rod bearings replaced free of cost.

Not to mention that it won international engine of the year for like 5 straight years. Developing same (actually slightly more) power and same performance from smaller n/a engine 10 years earlier than Nissan 370z speaks for itself.

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"Sure it doesn't win the HP/L over the S54 but the engine block is aluminum"


Yeah, because having an aluminum block is super novel and extremely difficult. Half of the new consumer cars have one today.

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"LS3/LS6 : GREAT output. Not enough technology"


Wait, I thought aluminum block is new technology? f-body camaros with LS1 came with aluminum blocks. Or is pushrod bothering you?

If you are self-proclaimed geek who loves technology you should be talking about N54 engine if anything.

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"The thing I most admire about nissan is their continual improvement process. They keep upgrading the engine to keep up with the competition. Honda on the other hand is a complete joke."


I love Nissan. I love their VQ engines, but maybe their continual improvement process stems from not making a good engine design in the first place, hence the need to continually improve and run after manufacturers who actually have bigger racing budget and history. After all, racing is suppose to improve the breed.

....edit: there is nothing wrong with iron block. if anything it will not warp as easily and as fast as aluminum would under coolant loss or overheating.

[Edited on June 11, 2009 at 12:33 AM. Reason : .]

6/11/2009 12:30:29 AM

BigBlueRam
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i'm still trying to figure out why ls3/ls6 and ls1/ls7 have been grouped together...?

6/11/2009 12:48:19 AM

Quinn
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LOL

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"Yeah, because having an aluminum block is super novel and extremely difficult. Half of the new consumer cars have one today. "


SO WHY DOESN'T THE S54??????????? ITS A FULL BRED RACE ENGINE.

6/11/2009 5:00:49 AM

TKE-Teg
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"a 350z coupe is probably a small increment up the performance ladder, at least as a total package. I think the coupe convertible would probably lag the S2000."


Duke, I'm guessing that is what you meant to say. The final top version of the 350Z (the nismo one) and the S2000 CR faced off in a Road & Track article last year. Their performance numbers were identical, and on the track the Nismo was barely faster than the S2000. So if we're talking S2000 versus the (heavier than Coupe) 350Z convertible I dont' think you can argue the Nissan's better.

The 370Z is irrelevant, as the S2000 went out of production as it was introduced.

Regarding great NA engines I dont' think you can argue with BMW, however the LS-series Chevy V8s are pretty much better in every way (cheaper, more powerful, better highway gas mileage).

[Edited on June 11, 2009 at 9:21 AM. Reason : bench racing I know...]

6/11/2009 9:10:35 AM

TKE-Teg
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stupid network problems

[Edited on June 11, 2009 at 9:23 AM. Reason : k]

6/11/2009 9:10:35 AM

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"The final top version of the 350Z (the nismo one) and the S2000 CR faced off in a Road & Track article last year. Their performance numbers were identical, and on the track the Nismo was barely faster than the S2000. So if we're talking S2000 versus the (heavier than Coupe) 350Z convertible I dont' think you can argue the Nissan's better."


Did you mean to say the Honda is better? I don't see how the Nissan vert is going to hang with the S2000.

6/11/2009 9:39:49 AM

1in10^9
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"SO WHY DOESN'T THE S54??????????? ITS A FULL BRED RACE ENGINE."


google is your friend

Given that other current BMW “sixes” have an aluminum block with cast-iron cylinder liners, it may be surprising that the S54 M3 engine has a cast-iron block. Why?

Compactness is the primary reason. An inline six is longer than a V-6, and BMW nurtures the inline layout because of its superior smoothness and sound. An aluminum block’s cylinder liners take up space; with liners it would not have been possible to achieve the engine’s 3.2-liter displacement without lengthening the block. The second reason is strength. Given that this engine develops a fully 333 hp from 3.2 liters – significantly over 100 hp per liter – its internal stresses are immense.

6/11/2009 10:34:59 AM

TKE-Teg
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^^please reread what I said. It makes sense the way it is. And my whole post was saying that the S2000 is better!

Good lord.

6/11/2009 1:20:21 PM

shmorri2
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I think they misread it "You can't argue that the 350z Roadster is better" as "The 350z is better, you can't argue that it is not." I see the confussion. Don't hate fellas

6/11/2009 3:52:55 PM

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