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""If the U.S. imperialists start another war, the army and people of Korea will ... wipe out the aggressors on the globe once and for all," a dispatch from the official Korean Central News Agency said."

HAHAHA

6/24/2009 2:46:06 PM

O_o


all your base are belong to us?

6/24/2009 2:46:36 PM

Well, they're half right....

6/24/2009 2:46:37 PM

um, some of yall need to learn up on some north korean armed forces.

talking like they are jokes and shit.

people bitching about a few thousand of our soldiers getting shot up in iraq. they will wipe out south korea in a matter of minutes...and our 50,000 soldiers stationed there in the process.

6/24/2009 2:54:19 PM

6/24/2009 2:55:33 PM

ahahaha thats by far my favorite


read this: http://www.rense.com/general37/nkorr.htm

6/24/2009 2:56:13 PM

they're no joke, and they could definitely overrun south korea without too much effort

but "wipe us off the globe"?

that is a fucking joke

6/24/2009 2:56:32 PM

I got a feeling that if it comes down to war, that 50,000 will rapidly become 500,000.

And we have better toys than the NK's

6/24/2009 2:56:40 PM

6/24/2009 2:56:45 PM

They are like a swarm of locusts.

What they lack in military technology, they make for in sheer numbers.

America's only chance at victory is to drop nukes on every inch of their country.

6/24/2009 2:57:04 PM

notice to web surfers: if it's posted on the internet, the pentagon knows about it. NK is not some sleeping superpower of military might.

If we DO end up at war with NK, it will likely be among the bloodiest battles to date. And no matter how it turns out, he who strikes with nukes first will be cleaned off the map.


"The UN recognizes the gentleman from the island nation of South Korea..."

6/24/2009 3:06:59 PM

Quote :

"November 1950, General Douglas MacArthur ordered that a wasteland be created between the fighting front and the Chinese border, destroying from the air every "installation, factory, city, and village" over thousands of square miles of North Korean territory. "

6/24/2009 3:08:19 PM

^^iswydt

[Edited on June 24, 2009 at 3:09 PM. Reason : 5]

6/24/2009 3:09:15 PM

i'm glad my brother isn't stationed over there anymore...

6/24/2009 3:09:59 PM

Quote :

"notice to web surfers: if it's posted on the internet, the pentagon knows about it. NK is not some sleeping superpower of military might. "

who said they didnt?

6/24/2009 3:21:24 PM

so if iraq had the worlds like 5th best army, what is NK, like 4th best?

6/24/2009 3:27:16 PM

And we will not bomb Hanoi, will will not bomb targets in Cambodia and Thailand that provide shelter to the enemy, we will not cross the Yalu river, we will not root out the enemy north of the 38th parallel, we will not fight a war with both hands and our eyes open because it makes us look bad. We will lose because we have no concept of total war. War is bloody. People die. You can't commit a little bit to war.

6/24/2009 3:28:24 PM

Any chance those NK nukes could reach the east coast? Or will Hawaii, Alaska, and Cali get the worst of it?

6/24/2009 3:46:38 PM

1st, they don't have the ability to mount a warhead on a missile. They can't make the warheads small enough and won't be able to for the next few years.

2nd, even if they could, they're lucky when their missiles make it out of the South China Sea. They've been known to blow up on the launchpad and just after launch. Even when they do launch properly, they don't go that far. The chances of them hitting anything past Okinawa in the next several years with a missile is about the same as me fucking Heidi Klum.

3rd, the time frames for point 1 and 2 are pretty much irrelevant, since they seem hell bent on self destructing.

Lastly, they couldn't overrun South Korea in 10 years. An army of a million is only formidable when they all have weapons (they don't), the weapons they do have work (they don't) and aren't 30 years old (they are) and the mechanized weaponry has spare parts and fuel (they don't). It's also slightly more formidable when their ground troops aren't starving to death. We would absolutely OWN the skies over the place and anything that moves on the ground is going to get met with superior technology, superior manpower and the superior skill and mindset of a properly trained force that is well fed.

They would look as bad, if not worse than the Iraqi army in any open conflict. Now, there have been reports they've been focusing on guerrilla warfare, with roadside bombs and the like. This only works when the invading/occupying force wants or needs to be in the country. Once NK is disarmed from the air, there's no one that could possibly care any less about actually being in that country. It's a wasteland NOW, let alone after an overwhelming air campaign.

Their irrational bluster is just that. Bluster.

[Edited on June 24, 2009 at 4:05 PM. Reason : *]

6/24/2009 4:01:42 PM

^an enjoyable read - will recommend to others

6/24/2009 4:02:59 PM

Quote :

"they will wipe out south korea in a matter of minutes...and our 50,000 soldiers stationed there in the process"

that wasn't the joke, the joke was that they will wipe us off the map


^^well done sir

[Edited on June 24, 2009 at 4:07 PM. Reason : -]

6/24/2009 4:05:18 PM

The only thing to worry about with them is the massive numbers of rockets and mortars trained in on Seoul and the other main South Korean cities. SK would get blasted for sure, but they wouldn't get overrun, and that's the only thing the North has going for them.

[Edited on June 24, 2009 at 4:11 PM. Reason : *]

6/24/2009 4:10:23 PM

^^too bad almost everything he said is inaccurate

the Taepodong-2 can go 3000 miles as of 5 years ago. 500 more and youre in hawaii

it can carry a nuclear warhead.

they have all kinds of sophisticated antiaircraft weaponry. (russians build some good stuff too)

they are dug in under granite- 50 meters deeper than any of our bunker busters can go (currently 15 meters)

they make their own weapons, so to say that they are all 30 years old and nonworking is just plain ignorant.

the 30 year old part would actually work against us due to the fact that an emp wont do shit.


they can launch chemical shells past the DMZ at a rate of 500,000 per HOUR

i could go on, but basically the reason we havent done shit to them is because of the ENORMOUS cost in lives we would suffer.

our armed forces arent even trained in conventional warfare anyway. would take 3 months just to be ready for that type of war.
not to mention the fact that they are crazy

[Edited on June 24, 2009 at 4:18 PM. Reason : .]

6/24/2009 4:16:12 PM

Yeah the Taepodong can carry a nuclear warhead, but they can't make one to fit it. They can't make it small enough.

Their AAA is outdated and would quickly be useless.

They may make their own weapons, but they still have basic necessities like rifles at 1 for every 8-10 soldiers. They're not making their own tanks and aircraft. They have less then 10, yes 10, modern fighter jets.

Regardless of all that they don't have enough fuel for their electrical needs, let alone military mobilization.

I said that SK would get blasted due to all the rockets, mortars and artillery they have, but they aren't going to be winning.

[Edited on June 24, 2009 at 4:23 PM. Reason : *]

6/24/2009 4:22:44 PM

Quote :

"massive numbers of rockets and mortars trained in on Seoul"

I want to know what article originated this point of information into everyone's mind.

Because the whole "they'll destroy seoul with artillery" argument is a new one as far as I'm concerned

I find this dispersion of opinion interesting

[Edited on June 24, 2009 at 4:25 PM. Reason : .]

6/24/2009 4:25:28 PM

they dont use fuel for electricity. they have several small hydro plants that are not networked.

this isnt iraq where we can emp/ cut all the power.

Quote :

" Total Population: 23,479,088 [2008] Population Available: 12,414,017 [2008] Fit for Military Service: 10,280,687 [2008] Reaching Military Age Annually: 392,016 [2008] Active Military Personnel: 1,170,000 [2008] Active Military Reserve: 4,700,000 [2008] Active Paramilitary Units: 189,000 [2008] ARMY Total Land-Based Weapons: 16,400 Tanks: 3,500 [2006] Armored Personnel Carriers: 2,500 [2006] Towed Artillery: 3,500 [2006] Self-Propelled Guns: 4,400 [2006] Multiple Rocket Launch Systems: 2,500 [2006] Mortars: 7,500 [2006] Anti-Aircraft Weapons: 11,000 [2006] NAVY Total Navy Ships: 708 Merchant Marine Strength: 167 [2008] Major Ports and Harbors: 12 Aircraft Carriers: 0 [2008] Destroyers: 0 [2008] Submarines: 97 [2008] Frigates: 3 [2006] Patrol & Coastal Craft: 492 [2006] Mine Warfare Craft: 23 [2006] Amphibious Craft: 140 [2006] AIR FORCE Total Aircraft: 1,778 [2006] Helicopters: 612 [2006] Serviceable Airports: 77 [2007] FINANCES (USD) Defense Budget: $5,500,000,000 [2005] Purchasing Power: $40,000,000,000 [2007] OIL Oil Production: 141 bbl/day [2005] Oil Consumption: 10,520 bbl/day [2006] LOGISTICAL Labor Force: 20,000,000 [2004] Roadways: 25,554 km Railways: 5,235 km GEOGRAPHIC Waterways: 2,250 km Coastline: 2,495 km Square Land Area: 120,540 km "

http://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=North-Korea

clearly they have more than 10 modern jets. will they win dogfights? no. do we still have dogfights? no

[Edited on June 24, 2009 at 4:33 PM. Reason : .]

6/24/2009 4:30:40 PM

fucking Gooks.....

6/24/2009 4:32:29 PM

That says they have 1778 aircraft. Could be Sopwith Camel's for all that shows...

They also don't have enough fuel for their mechanized units. Where does that say that they have 29282932903293928290202982920202 gallons of fuel stored somewhere? Don't you think that if they have the rolling blackouts constantly they'd say "HMM The hydro isn't quite cutting it? Let's use some of the 292922982823823982983292823829 gallons of fuel so we can see at night?"

[Edited on June 24, 2009 at 4:37 PM. Reason : *]

6/24/2009 4:34:56 PM

Quote :

"the Taepodong-2 can go 3000 miles as of 5 years ago. 500 more and youre in hawaii it can carry a nuclear warhead. "

Isn't that the one that they just this year tried out and it fucked up?

6/24/2009 4:37:02 PM

Yes, it is.

Oh and btw, Hawaii is in the middle of fucking nowhere, if you recall. So even if it hits that range, we've got Hawaii, 15 Inuits and a billion square miles of Ocean that should even be remotely worried about it.

Not to mention the technology to knock these things right out of the sky.

[Edited on June 24, 2009 at 4:38 PM. Reason : *]

6/24/2009 4:37:22 PM

Quote :

"Harbin H-5 / Ilyushin Il-28 China Soviet Union bomber 80 80 H-5 is a Chinese copy of Ilyushin Il-28 Beagle, some Soviet manufactured Il-28's are thought to be part of this number.[5] Shenyang F-5 Soviet Union China fighter 107 107 Chinese copy of Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-17 Fresco Shenyang F-6 China fighter +100 100 Chinese copy of Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-19 Farmer Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21PF/PFM Soviet Union fighter 120 160 Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21bis Soviet Union fighter 30 30 illegally imported from Kazakhstan in 1999 Chengdu F-7B China fighter 40 40 according to other sources based on Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21F Fishbed-B Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21U Soviet Union fighter-trainer ? 30 Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-23ML Soviet Union fighter 46 46 Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-23P Soviet Union fighter-bomber 10 0? Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-23UB Soviet Union fighter-trainer 0 10 Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-29 Soviet Union fighter 35 35 Defend Pyongyang Aerospace Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-29UB Soviet Union fighter-trainer 5 5 Defend Pyongyang Aerospace Sukhoi Su-7BMK Soviet Union attack 18 18 Sukhoi Su-20 Soviet Union attack 30 30 Nanchang Q-5 China attack 40 40 Sukhoi Su-25K Soviet Union attack 36 36 [6] Sukhoi Su-25UBK Soviet Union attack-trainer ? 4 Aero L-39C Czechoslovakia trainer 12 12 Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-15UTI Soviet Union trainer 30 30 Nanchang CJ-6 China trainer 187 180 Ilyushin Il-76MD Soviet Union transport 3 3 in service with Air Koryo Tupolev Tu-154B-2 Soviet Union airliner 4 4 in service with Air Koryo Tupolev Tu-134A-3 Soviet Union airliner 2 2 in service with Air Koryo Tupolev Tu-204-300 Russia airliner 1 1 in service with Air Koryo, 1 more on order Ilyushin Il-62M Soviet Union airliner 4 2 2 more in service with Air Koryo Ilyushin Il-18 Soviet Union airliner 2 2 in service with Air Koryo Antonov An-24 Soviet Union / Ukraine airliner 6 12 5 more in service with Air Koryo Antonov An-2 China Poland Soviet Union North Korea utility transport ~200 fleet grounded due to high fuel costs[7] Mil Mi-24 Soviet Union attack 24 20 Mil Mi-26 Soviet Union transport helicopter 4 0? [6] Mil Mi-8 Soviet Union transport helicopter 15 15 Mil Mi-14 Soviet Union ASW helicopter 10 10 Harbin Z-5 China utility helicopter 48 48 Chinese copy of Mil Mi-4 Mil Mi-2 Poland utility helicopter 140 140 MD Helicopters 500D United States scout helicopter 87 86 imported from Germany"

6/24/2009 4:38:34 PM

Quote :

"North Korea began to build fortifications in 1960s. All key military facilities are built underground to withstand American bunker-buster bombs. North Korea has 8,236 underground facilities that are linked by 547 km of tunnels. Beneath Pyongyang are a huge underground stadium and other facilities. About 1.2 million tons of food, 1.46 million tons of fuel, and 1.67 million tons of ammunition are stored in underground storage areas for wartime use."

6/24/2009 4:41:20 PM

"Harbin H-5 / Ilyushin Il-28 China Soviet Union bomber 80 80 H-5 is a Chinese copy of Ilyushin Il-28 Beagle, some Soviet manufactured Il-28's are thought to be part of this number.[5] -Antiquated
Shenyang F-5 Soviet Union -Antiquated
China fighter 107 107 Chinese copy of Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-17 Fresco -Antiquated
Shenyang F-6 China fighter +100 100 Chinese copy of Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-19 Farmer -Antiquated
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21PF/PFM Soviet Union fighter 120 160 -Antiquated
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21bis Soviet Union fighter 30 30 illegally imported from Kazakhstan in 1999 -Antiquated
Chengdu F-7B China fighter 40 40 according to other sources based on Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21F Fishbed-B -Antiquated
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21U Soviet Union fighter-trainer ? 30 -Antiquated
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-23ML Soviet Union fighter 46 46 -Antiquated
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-23P Soviet Union fighter-bomber 10 0? -Antiquated
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-23UB Soviet Union fighter-trainer 0 10 -Antiquated
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-29 Soviet Union fighter 35 35 Defend Pyongyang Aerospace
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-29UB Soviet Union fighter-trainer 5 5 Defend Pyongyang Aerospace
Sukhoi Su-7BMK Soviet Union attack 18 18 -Antiquated
Sukhoi Su-20 Soviet Union attack 30 30 -Antiquated
Nanchang Q-5 China attack 40 40 -Antiquated
Sukhoi Su-25K Soviet Union attack 36 36 [6] -Antiquated
Sukhoi Su-25UBK Soviet Union attack-trainer ? 4 -Antiquated
Aero L-39C Czechoslovakia trainer 12 12 -Antiquated
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-15UTI Soviet Union trainer 30 30 -Antiquated
Nanchang CJ-6 China trainer 187 180 -Antiquated
Ilyushin Il-76MD Soviet Union transport 3 3 in service with Air Koryo -Antiquated
Tupolev Tu-154B-2 Soviet Union airliner 4 4 in service with Air Koryo -Useless
Tupolev Tu-134A-3 Soviet Union airliner 2 2 in service with Air Koryo -Useless
Tupolev Tu-204-300 Russia airliner 1 1 in service with Air Koryo, 1 more on order -Useless
Ilyushin Il-62M Soviet Union airliner 4 2 2 more in service with Air Koryo -Useless
Ilyushin Il-18 Soviet Union airliner 2 2 in service with Air Koryo -Useless
Antonov An-24 Soviet Union / Ukraine airliner 6 12 5 more in service with Air Koryo -Useless
Antonov An-2 China -Useless
Poland
Soviet Union
North Korea utility transport ~200 fleet grounded due to high fuel costs[7] -Useless
Mil Mi-24 Soviet Union attack 24 20 -Antiquated
Mil Mi-26 Soviet Union transport helicopter 4 0? [6]
Mil Mi-8 Soviet Union transport helicopter 15 15 -Useless
Mil Mi-14 Soviet Union ASW helicopter 10 10 -Antiquated
Harbin Z-5 China utility helicopter 48 48 Chinese copy of Mil Mi-4 -Useless
Mil Mi-2 Poland utility helicopter 140 140 -Useless
MD Helicopters 500D United States scout helicopter 87 86 imported from Germany -Useless


MY GOD LETS BOW DOWN TO THIS FORMIDABLE FORCE!

[Edited on June 24, 2009 at 4:45 PM. Reason : *]

6/24/2009 4:43:33 PM

^^War has changed a lot since the 60s.

6/24/2009 4:44:06 PM

I would like to hear what theDuke866 has to say about all this

6/24/2009 4:45:33 PM

Quote :

"If the U.S. imperialists start another war, the army and people of Korea will ... wipe out the aggressors on the globe once and for all," a dispatch from the official Korean Central News Agency said."

... = "be destroyed mercilessly while attempting to"

6/24/2009 4:45:43 PM

i think yall are missing is the fact that we have to go to them, and fight them over their mountains, with tanks built for open fields, tunnels all across the country (how we "lost") Vietnam, and their lack of concern about the geneva convention.

think 'Nam
i mean they had funny hats and ak-47s. we had an overwhelming advantage technologically and still no W in the w/l column.

think afghansitan against the soviets or even the taliban against us.

[Edited on June 24, 2009 at 4:50 PM. Reason : f]

6/24/2009 4:48:03 PM

Quote :

""North Korea began to build fortifications in 1960s. All key military facilities are built underground to withstand American bunker-buster bombs. North Korea has 8,236 underground facilities that are linked by 547 km of tunnels. Beneath Pyongyang are a huge underground stadium and other facilities. About 1.2 million tons of food, 1.46 million tons of fuel, and 1.67 million tons of ammunition are stored in underground storage areas for wartime use.""

http://www.asianresearch.org/articles/1361.html

Read the rest of that link and see about how credible you want to think he is.

6/24/2009 4:53:51 PM

I think you're missing the point that we would never need to "go to them". We don't want the country. We don't need it. We should fuck it up beyond repair and call it a day. It's already a shithole, there's nothing to build back up. And seriously they're the ones spouting the bluster. They're the ones trying to start shit. So fuck them up and then let them have the aftermath.

Kill Kim and his regime and call it a day.

[Edited on June 24, 2009 at 4:54 PM. Reason : *]

6/24/2009 4:54:12 PM

hey im all for bombing the shit out of them. but it does no good to bomb the shit out of them when 50,000 us troops are already dead in south korea.


and it aint like we have a president with the balls to take the first step

6/24/2009 4:57:17 PM

There aren't 50,000 troops in South Korea, and NK would not be 100% successful against Seoul. Try again.

[Edited on June 24, 2009 at 5:06 PM. Reason : eta 'not']

6/24/2009 5:04:40 PM

i'd say once we reduce their ability to cause harm to surrounding countries, our job would be done.

i doubt we would need many boots on the ground, if any at all, to accomplish that.

shitty part is we'd be screwing the civilian population even more than the sanctions.

6/24/2009 5:05:15 PM

Quote :

"think 'Nam i mean they had funny hats and ak-47s. we had an overwhelming advantage technologically and still no W in the w/l column."

To be fair, the US has spent the last 40 years learning from mistakes made in Vietnam.

And NK doesn't have the USSR and China giving them arms as needed nor does it have a popular insurgency in the south.

6/24/2009 5:07:21 PM

okay there arent 50k troops. there are only 38,000

jesus

6/24/2009 5:13:25 PM

There aren't 38,000 troops in South Korea, but you're getting closer.

6/24/2009 5:18:53 PM

yes, there are.

however, with bush's global realignment it will be reduced 33 percent

6/24/2009 5:21:18 PM

u know what i love about message boards?

how people scurry off to google and report their findings here like they already knew it all


or a better way to put it would be:

how people think they're instant subject matter experts just cause they have access to a search engine

6/24/2009 5:23:00 PM

^.

6/24/2009 5:24:46 PM

or in my case, i was reading about north korea for hours last week instead of working.

6/24/2009 5:32:56 PM

oh that wasn't directed at any one person, just a general statement

6/24/2009 5:36:37 PM