Does this mean no more hookah?

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/06/22/obama-signstobacco-bill/

8/12/2009 9:36:12 PM

F.I.Y.

8/12/2009 9:36:39 PM

Quote :

"Finally, the legislation applies to all tobacco products, not just cigarettes,"

Quote :

"Does this mean no more hookah?"

I imagine a work-around will be found...maybe standard tobacco + flavor added at the hookah?

And there's always smuggling

8/12/2009 9:41:36 PM

I read the title as, "No More Flavored Taco"

8/12/2009 9:44:01 PM

^ NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

8/12/2009 9:44:43 PM

a black man outlawing menthol cigarettes? unpossible.

8/12/2009 9:45:08 PM

i can only assume/hope that this doesn't apply to pipe tobacco.

8/12/2009 9:45:57 PM

what are cigarettes gonna be called then? camel light can't say light anymore? i mean i don't smoke so i don't care

8/12/2009 9:47:07 PM

what about smokeless tobacco like skoal and whatnot? the flavored varieties are very popular from what I understand. (i've only used the stuff 2 times in my entire life, and both times they tasted minty or some other similar flavor)

Menthol Cigarettes?
Pipe Tobacco?
Black and Milds?

Also, there are many people who prefer the lighter "taste" of light cigarattes... yet obama wants to ban that word from the packaging? god what a fucking moron.

I'm not a tobacco user for the most part, but dammit if I want to chew tobacco or smoke a pipe, i should damn well be able to without the fucking federal government telling me i can't.

8/12/2009 9:49:34 PM

Yeah I'm wondering if there are people who are actually retarded enough to think "mild" means "better for you." I always thought that was referring to the taste of the cigarette.

8/12/2009 9:53:28 PM

the ironic thing about this is he is the one stinking up the white house with his ash trays and his chimney-smelling self.

8/12/2009 9:55:21 PM

WHERE YOU CAN MARRY A FAG BUT CANT SMOKE ONE LOL

also because flavored tobacco is for kids and not for people trying to keep the smoke nazis quiet

clearly

8/12/2009 9:59:04 PM

oh wow, so you've seen the presidential ash tray?

8/12/2009 9:59:32 PM

it's common knowledge that the man smokes... maybe he just ashes on the rug? or maybe in empty beer bottles?

[Edited on August 12, 2009 at 10:00 PM. Reason : ]

8/12/2009 10:00:47 PM

I seriously going to be pissed if I go to Marrakesh next month and they no longer have my apple tobacco

8/12/2009 10:00:56 PM

yeah the media goes out of their way to avoid showing him smoking but he's a for real chain smoker the whole nine.
cant let us little people keep smoking though. for our own good and all ya know

8/12/2009 10:03:28 PM

I think cigarettes should be $20 a pack

8/12/2009 10:14:19 PM

^ In NYC they are.

8/12/2009 10:16:08 PM

Fucking bullshit. Not sure where the Federal Government has the power to regulate tobacco. Fuck you overly broad interpreters of the Commerce Clause.

Quote :

"Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act"

Fuck that "Family" shit too. You fix your own goddamn children instead of restricting my rights as an adult.

[Edited on August 12, 2009 at 10:18 PM. Reason : I fucking hate incompetent parents and busybodies. ]

8/12/2009 10:17:03 PM

so are newports banned or what?

8/12/2009 10:17:49 PM

When does this go into effect?

8/12/2009 10:19:06 PM

Damn it. First I can't smoke in a bar, now I can't smoke my hookah...

8/12/2009 10:20:15 PM

Quote :

"Some public health experts are questioning why menthol, the most widely used cigarette flavoring and the most popular cigarette choice of African-American smokers, is receiving special protection as Congress tries to regulate tobacco for the first time. One possible answer? They do not care if they die? Maybe, just maybe, they see the fact that 75 percent of Black Smokers smoke Menthol is a good thing?"

8/12/2009 10:21:09 PM

Wait...does that also mean they are taking away my camel crush?

8/12/2009 10:21:58 PM

The funny things is, as much as smokers complain about taxes, it's still not enough to make them stop smoking.

THEY RAISE TAXES ON IT BECAUSE YALL ARE FUCKING ADDICTED.

8/12/2009 10:22:08 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Smoking_Prevention_and_Tobacco_Control_Act

Provisions:

Quote :

"Bans the use of flavors in cigarettes (including cloves, cinnamon, candy and fruit flavors), with the initial exception of menthol cigarettes, the most popular cigarette flavor. The exemption was reportedly influenced by the Congressional Black Caucus and Philip Morris USA, which supported the bill."

LOL

8/12/2009 10:22:13 PM

^^I'm not addicted. I went all summer and maybe had one or two a week....if that. I would mostly just go smoke cause I was bored and it was something to go do.

8/12/2009 10:23:35 PM

well at least it's finally profitable to bootleg tobacco.

man we're gonna have to fucking triple the size of the war on drugs

8/12/2009 10:25:05 PM

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-1256

I wonder how long companies have until they have to change naming and everything

8/12/2009 10:26:53 PM

Another reason not to like the sham of a president and congress. and I thought Bush was bad.

8/12/2009 10:28:54 PM

damn it...the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America would support it.

8/12/2009 10:28:56 PM

see all the good that renaming the winston cup did. almost NOBODY smokes anymore

8/12/2009 10:29:21 PM

i'ma start growing tobacco in my closet

8/12/2009 10:32:13 PM

What about dip? No more mint, wintergreen, etc?

8/12/2009 10:35:20 PM

Bans the use of flavors IN CIGARETTES. Doesn't sound like it applies to loose tobacco, pipe tobacco, dip, etc. etc. Maybe not even cigars, though depends on how broad of a definition of cigarettes they use.

8/13/2009 12:28:18 AM

Quote :

"Finally, the legislation applies to all tobacco products, not just cigarettes, and it passes all of the additional costs of new regulations back to the tobacco companies."

8/13/2009 12:29:33 AM

As long as they don't ban candy cigarettes, I'm good.

8/13/2009 12:30:40 AM

The legislation as a whole. I don't think we can say whether or not that provision imust be applied equally, though perhaps I displayed too much certainty in my previous post.

8/13/2009 12:30:47 AM

Christ...for me this is totally contrary to the spirit of America

8/13/2009 1:04:53 AM

i'ma go buy a shitton of djarums and sell 'em on the black market

8/13/2009 1:19:27 AM

Quote :

"Fucking bullshit. Not sure where the Federal Government has the power to regulate tobacco. Fuck you overly broad interpreters of the Commerce Clause. Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control ActFuck that "Family" shit too. You fix your own goddamn children instead of restricting my rights as an adult. [Edited on August 12, 2009 at 10:18 PM. Reason : I fucking hate incompetent parents and busybodies. ]"

I don't smoke, but this is bullshit.

[Edited on August 13, 2009 at 1:23 AM. Reason : ]

8/13/2009 1:22:23 AM

This bill is finally a step in the right direction of American governmental power. Too long people have had the ability to fuck up their lives and the lives of the others around them using senselessly dangerous products. A+++

8/13/2009 1:24:20 AM

^you're being sarcastic, right? i like to think that's subtle sarcasm.

8/13/2009 1:31:35 AM

i am 100% wholly against this, but i will be secretly happy i don't have to choke through any more second-hand clove cigarettes. fuck those things and everyone who smokes them in public.

8/13/2009 1:36:35 AM

^^^Wait, you're actually serious, aren't you?

[Edited on August 13, 2009 at 1:38 AM. Reason : ^^^]

8/13/2009 1:37:15 AM

i wonder if people were such whiny little bitches back when the FDA was first established

8/13/2009 1:55:27 AM

Naw back then they had to worry about dying from tainted snake oil and shit.

8/13/2009 4:24:06 AM

fucking ridiculous

8/13/2009 4:39:23 AM

The law is 84 pages long. It is public law 111-31. I have no fucking clue how anyone could read through the whole damn thing and know everything contained within its margins. The flavoring additives part of the law applies to cigarettes alone. However, cigarettes are defined as:

Quote :

"‘‘(3) CIGARETTE.—The term ‘cigarette’— ‘‘(A) means a product that— ‘‘(i) is a tobacco product; and ‘‘(ii) meets the definition of the term ‘cigarette’ in section 3(1) of the Federal Cigarette Labeling and Advertising Act; and ‘‘(B) includes tobacco, in any form, that is functional in the product, which, because of its appearance, the type of tobacco used in the filler, or its packaging and labeling, is likely to be offered to, or purchased by, consumers as a cigarette or as roll-your-own tobacco."

I believe this says that you can still have flavored tobacco for pipes and hookah because cigarettes are things that contain the tobacco or are marketed as cigarettes and therefore isn't the tobacco itself. The law prohibits the Secretary of the FDA from prohibiting tobacco as well as requiring no nicotine, but has otherwise fairly lax rules.

8/13/2009 5:25:40 AM

Nitrocloud saves the day

8/13/2009 5:27:21 AM