Being new to the area and life in general, I'm going to save you a bit of hassle. If you see a guy in the parking lot of the grocery/liquor store with a buzz cut wearing khakis and a polo shirt, he's an ALE cop. It's that simple. Usually their shirts are tucked in. Tonight it's not. Dude's a regular Serpico.

The vehicle of choice is usually a silver late-model 4 door. Tonight it's a Chrysler 300C, I've also see buicks and pontiac grand prix.

If you see a white guy AND a black guy wearing polo shirts, khakis and walking up to you, you might as well have your ID ready.

Apparently in the microcosm of the American legal system that is southwest Raleigh, it's illegal for the underage to ride in a car with someone who has alcohol.

So there it is, my good deed for the evening.

8/20/2009 8:32:19 PM

I appreciate the Serpico reference

8/20/2009 8:35:24 PM

I remember getting stopped in the Avent Ferry Food Lion parking lot many years ago

tartsquid was underage at the time I think but we weren't buying beer for her

so they let us go

and in the meantime, some other cats that were illegally acquiring alcohol got away, I'm fairly sure

8/20/2009 8:37:22 PM

Apparently there's a convenience store in or around Mission Valley that doesn't check ID's

8/20/2009 8:38:48 PM

they hang out in bars too. there was one who came into the bar I worked at last year.

8/20/2009 8:39:31 PM

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"Apparently in the microcosm of the American legal system that is southwest Raleigh, it's illegal for the underage to ride in a car with someone who has alcohol."

Yes, you are reading this correctly. If you ride in the car with a 21 year old while he/she buys alcohol the police may end up ticketing that person and making them fight it in court. It's ridiculous and it shouldn't be this way, but accept that it is what it is and just stay at the house while people make their runs.

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"they hang out in bars too. there was one who came into the bar I worked at last year."

And in the parking lot at bars..And especially the Wolf Mart and all those other little convenience stores around campus. Never approach someone outside of those places and ask them to buy for you. There is almost always a cop sitting in a nearby car watching for that to happen. If you're going to risk approaching a stranger do it a couple blocks away at least. But you're better off just making friends with some upper classmen asap.

[Edited on August 20, 2009 at 8:47 PM. Reason : l]

8/20/2009 8:47:05 PM

8/20/2009 8:48:58 PM

They will also follow you back to the dorms in the hopes of seeing you hand it off to someone or catch you with someone underage in your room.

8/20/2009 8:53:28 PM

Has anyone really been caught by the ALE other than the fraudulent keg people? It's pretty easy to see if you're being followed.

8/20/2009 8:55:42 PM

I've been in cars that were searched several times, and we were of age, breaking no laws.

[Edited on August 20, 2009 at 8:59 PM. Reason : Yes, we could have refused, but they would have just brought a dog out to bark on command.]

8/20/2009 8:58:19 PM

They made me pour my Bud Light out at a John Mellencamp concert when I was 18. It was such a tragedy then.

8/20/2009 8:59:02 PM

Just don't be stupid and you won't get in trouble.

8/20/2009 8:59:46 PM

this makes me want to stop at the wolf-mart

which store may i see these people at?

8/20/2009 9:01:22 PM

4^ An alcohol-sniffing dog?

8/20/2009 9:01:50 PM

i was always insulted when they would check my customers when i worked at Harris Teeter, it's like dude I made you when you walked in the door and with sunglasses at 7pm and picked up Cat Fancy for 2 hours

8/20/2009 9:04:49 PM

No, a proper one. Because only people with something to hide would not give consent to search...

8/20/2009 9:04:53 PM

There just seems to be something wrong with the relationship between college students and cops.

8/20/2009 9:07:17 PM

i know quite a few, if not a majority, of people that would refuse a search simply on principal

[Edited on August 20, 2009 at 9:08 PM. Reason : no really, where can i go find these people. I need a reason to wear pigtails]

8/20/2009 9:08:15 PM

It's 9:11, do you know where your alcohol is at?

8/20/2009 9:11:04 PM

It's a shame, really.

I was at the DMV downtown the other day, and this black kid, looked maybe 15, was on the bench beside me, literally shaking. I asked him what was up and he said, "man I don't like all these cops". And I could see what he meant...while I was there the cops pulled two people out of line and escorted them away. Maybe they just double parked or something, but I could see why the kid was so nervous.

8/20/2009 9:12:40 PM

hahahahahah what the fuck kind of dog is used to find alcohol

8/20/2009 9:13:15 PM

Ya'll must be retarded. If you refuse a search, they don't give a shit about alcohol any more. They think they just hit the mother load.

8/20/2009 9:15:39 PM

^ Hearsay is that if you refuse the search they have to pay for anything they fuck up during the search if you allow it they don't. I always refuse because if they are gonna waste my time pulling me they might as well waste their time and laugh at them when they don't find anything.

[Edited on August 20, 2009 at 9:17 PM. Reason : asdf]

8/20/2009 9:16:41 PM

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"Has anyone really been caught by the ALE other than the fraudulent keg people?"

when i was 18 i had my brothers ID that said I was 25. I bought like 2 cases from a little mexican store, and right when we were walking out a blue crown vic pulled up and parked sideways across two spots. i tried to act normal but he followed us back to my house anyways, then wrote me a ticket for providing alcohol to a minor, whatever you get for using a fake ID, and made us pour it all down the drain. he said they had had complaints and it was just a random check, so i was just unlucky.

8/20/2009 9:17:06 PM

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"No, a proper one. Because only people with something to hide would not give consent to search..."

My dad, who worked with the auxiliary police after being an MP in the army, told me never to let the police search my car when I first started driving. He said he had personally seen ridiculous things like officers sticking their fingers in tiny holes in the seat to see if you stuffed something down there; tearing it much further open in the process. His opinion was that nothing good would come from it, so don't let them do it.

Furthermore, some of us like testing our civil liberties to make sure they're still in place.

[Edited on August 20, 2009 at 9:27 PM. Reason : l]

8/20/2009 9:24:53 PM

Few people understand the psychology of dealing with an ALE cop. A normal underage drinker will panic and immediately pull over to the side. This is wrong. It arouses contempt in the cop heart. Make the bastard chase you. He will follow. But he won't know what to make of your blinker signal that says you are about to turn right. This is to let him know you're pulling off for a proper place to talk. It will take him a moment to realize that he's about to make a 180 degree turn at speed, but you will be ready for it. Brace for the g's, and fast heel-toe work.

8/20/2009 9:26:44 PM

i will ask 1 mor time

whur ah dey

8/20/2009 9:32:29 PM

I'm glad I don't have to worry about this bullshit

in fact, I never worried about it

8/20/2009 9:36:23 PM

probbably in the food lion parking lot at avent ferry, it is thirsty thursday

8/20/2009 9:37:57 PM

Yeah, all the freshmores are trying to get their 12 pack of Icehouse and Natty Light on.

8/20/2009 9:39:34 PM

i tried to find a pic of charlie from its always sunny in philadelphia dressed up as serpico

but was unsuccessful

8/20/2009 9:41:14 PM

Quote :

"Few people understand the psychology of dealing with an ALE cop. A normal underage drinker will panic and immediately pull over to the side. This is wrong. It arouses contempt in the cop heart. Make the bastard chase you. He will follow. But he won't know what to make of your blinker signal that says you are about to turn right. This is to let him know you're pulling off for a proper place to talk. It will take him a moment to realize that he's about to make a 180 degree turn at speed, but you will be ready for it. Brace for the g's, and fast heel-toe work."

Get them to follow you down Cates, get to the speed hump, have a clean underage passenger dart out and sprint while you roll off.

They have a choice. Either way, they'll lose.

8/20/2009 9:55:42 PM

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"Apparently there's a convenience store in or around Mission Valley that doesn't check ID's"

This one got busted last year, but there is another one near that one that doesn't.
As for dogs, from the second they say that you have 15 minutes before you can't be held there any longer.

I'm AstralAdvent and i approved this message.

[Edited on August 20, 2009 at 9:59 PM. Reason : ]

8/20/2009 9:58:15 PM

If a cop asks to search, I'll say no. Unfortunately, your rights really don't matter if the cop doesn't want them to. All he has to do is claim to have "smelled something," and suddenly he has probable cause.

The thing I don't understand is people that do get caught with drugs, and they consented to a search. I mean, yeah...if you just finished burning in the car, that's reason for them to search, and you're fucked. But if not, then they don't have shit on you.

8/20/2009 10:02:52 PM

Cops have to have gone through a special course to have the ability to smell something, but you can't ask to see their certification lol


1) Don't drive with weed in your car
2) Don't let underage people ride with you if you're buying for them.

I'm AstralAdvent and i approved this message.

[Edited on August 20, 2009 at 10:06 PM. Reason : ]

8/20/2009 10:05:34 PM

Kudos to eleusis for the Hunter S. Thompson reference.

8/20/2009 10:17:43 PM

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"Has anyone really been caught by the ALE other than the fraudulent keg people? It's pretty easy to see if you're being followed. "

I never got busted, but I had a few(3-4) that got busted in apartment parking lots trying to carry their beer inside while underage(Wolf Creek, in 2005 or 6). I always looked at the dudes that hung outside of Mission Valley ABC with a very obvious sidearm carried in-waistband, tucked under their polo.

8/20/2009 10:32:17 PM

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"Kudos to eleusis for the Hunter S. Thompson reference. "

8/20/2009 11:25:20 PM

i have a friend who got a ticket going on a beer run for some underage folks who rode along with him. they followed him out of the food lion on western to his car and carded everyone in the car. ticketed him when they saw that the folks with him were underage.

fucked up for sure.

8/20/2009 11:30:04 PM

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"I remember getting stopped in the Avent Ferry Food Lion parking lot many years ago"

I think it may have been the same guy... buzz cut wearing khakis and a polo shirt driving a white Buick, but he had on a leather jacket, too. he waited for me outside the gas station up by Ivy Chase and followed me to the food lion parking lot when I left. Funny thing was, I was 23, and the attendant at the gas station didn't card me b/c I'd been buying there for 2 years and they all knew me. Fucker thought he had hit the jackpot, since I was "acting extremely suspicious", but I was acting that way b/c he sketched me the fuck out staring me down in the parking lot.

8/20/2009 11:33:15 PM

i keep on reading "underwear" cops

8/20/2009 11:33:44 PM

Just hope they remember to anounce if they approach me, otherwise things may end poorly for all involved.

8/20/2009 11:37:13 PM

I walked in to an ALE's blazer at ECU once completely shitfaced. He gave me a ticket. Apparently I was too drunk to see all the extra antennas on it.

I did not remember the ticket until I found it in my pocket the next day, then I remembered the flashing light and the dude laughing at how drunk I was. Ah the good ole days.

8/20/2009 11:38:12 PM

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" no really, where can i go find these people. I need a reason to wear pigtails"

hahaha probably the avent ferry food lion or the abc store at mission valley.

i will go bait the avent ferry undercover guy(s) tommorow. walk out of the food lion with a case and say jackpot. too bad i already got my liquor or i would mess with the mission valley guys.

8/20/2009 11:49:26 PM

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"i tried to find a pic of charlie from its always sunny in philadelphia dressed up as serpico but was unsuccessful"

8/21/2009 12:05:01 AM

I got a ticket from the ALE my freshman year. I was in the car with sevaral other guys. The driver had his older brothers ID and went in to get beer. We waited in the car. After we pulled out, ALE pulled us later down the road. He seperated us all and tried to lie saying that others of us had admitted to giving the driver money. None of us fessed up and this went on for like 30 minutes. Finally somebody cracked and we all got busted. The best part was our driver got a ticket for buying underage ppl alcohol even though he was only 19. His ID was real and the cop had no clue until some names got mixed up. His brothers ID and another guy in our group had the same name and they kept answering to the wrong questions lol. When the cop found out the ID wasn't his he got pissed and started searching the car for open containers an weapons. He was a dick.

My advice to youngsters is to keep your mouth shut if you get pulled. Don't say a damn word b/c they will try to fuck with you and confuse you. If you do get a ticket, don't hire a lawyer and ask for the 90/96 program. It is the funnest class you will ever take at NCSU.

8/21/2009 12:08:29 AM

ALE does a lot with drugs as well. They worked a dude for a while in my neighborhood that was selling crack. They set him up and the brought in the swat team. it was pretty cool.

8/21/2009 12:17:14 AM

^ dude, your fb profile pic looks like something you ripped off a e-harmony's web site

8/21/2009 12:18:56 AM

it is!

8/21/2009 12:19:30 AM

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""Has anyone really been caught by the ALE other than the fraudulent keg people?""

When my frat had some guys from the Boston chapter down, one of my friends made a beer run with three of them.

ALE followed them from the gas station to her apartment parking lot and carded everyone. Of course, we were all of age

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"i have a friend who got a ticket going on a beer run for some underage folks who rode along with him. they followed him out of the food lion on western to his car and carded everyone in the car. ticketed him when they saw that the folks with him were underage. fucked up for sure."

It's a whole lot of bullshit. Legit, has-happened scenario:

I pick up my sister from school. Mom asks me to get her mudslide mix from the ABC store and drop it off when I drop off my sister. My parents live near campus - very near campus.

I truly wasn't aware that simply having someone underage in my car when there's alcohol is a crime - actually, I doubt it is. If it is, then I'm breaking the law by running two reasonable errands for my mother. I'm breaking the law if I forget some liquor in my car and have my sister with. Parents would be breaking the law by bringing their children with when grocery shopping, if they pick up and take home a 6pack.

8/21/2009 10:29:31 AM