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OMFGPlzDoMe
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That I know what the person before me made and that I know I'm getting shortchanged?

Long story short, a girl in my office quit about 7 months ago. I took 4/5 of her responsibilities, as well as continuing to do my job. Due to the "economic times" I was only given a $1 raise. I found out about 2 months ago that even with my raise, the girl before me was still making $3 more an hour than me. We worked for the same amount of time, I have a degree and she didn't, and I'm constantly praised for stellar work. I'm pissed and rightfully so. How do I indirectly tell my boss I know I'm getting fucked without disclosing that I know about someone else's salary?

8/25/2009 7:51:31 AM

sumfoo1
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welcome to a shit economy.....

my name is sumfoo1

8/25/2009 7:52:58 AM

ncsuapex
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you got a raise and you're still bitching???!! Lots of people are out of work and some people didn't get a raise at all. Be happy you have a fucking job.

8/25/2009 7:54:54 AM

Jrb599
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"I know what the person before me made and that I know I'm getting shortchanged."

8/25/2009 7:55:04 AM

Trip
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Until the economy gets better the answer you're going to get regardless of how you bring this up is tough shit. It's great to at least bring it up so the boss knows you know that you're undervalued, but I doubt anything will be done about it until the job market is better.

I would use median/average salary numbers for people around the country in your position when you bring it up, because that girl may have just given better head for the extra cash.

8/25/2009 7:56:01 AM

Pikey
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I bet having this conversation with your boss's dick in your mouth would persuade him a bit more.

8/25/2009 7:58:42 AM

ncsuapex
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Pikey does have a point....

8/25/2009 8:05:39 AM

chocolatervh
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yeah go ahead and tell him that you found out the last person's salary and you're pissed about your own.

btw the website is http://www.ncesc.org when you look for it.

8/25/2009 8:19:24 AM

djeternal
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My GF finally just got a job after being unemployed since January. The boss that hired her flat out told her that he was starting her at $10k less than the person in the position before her made. He said that he has tried to put several people in that position that didn't work out, so he didn't want to start her out at a high salary only to have it not work out. But he did tell her that she will have a review at 90 days, and if all is well she can expect a substantial raise.

It is pretty common place right now for employers to lowball on salaries, mainly because the job pool is flooded with qualified candidates for pretty much all positions right now. With unemployment numbers the way they are right now, employers have a HUGE advantage when bringing on new employees.

I would just casually try to find out if there will be a review process and what the time frame is. Don't complain and make sure to express that you are very happy to be employed with the company, but at the same time try to find out if you will be rewarded for satisfactory work.

8/25/2009 8:33:11 AM

lucyinthesky
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What do you do? If they can find someone cheaper to do your job, then I'd recommend keeping your mouth shut for now.

Everyone is replaceable.

8/25/2009 8:33:59 AM

Stimwalt
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If you really want the promotion, you know what to do.

8/25/2009 9:02:29 AM

Pikey
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Post a pic of yourself.

Your physical attractiveness is essential in our responses.

8/25/2009 9:03:43 AM

smoothcrim
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if you got a degree, look for a non-hourly job

8/25/2009 9:04:38 AM

djeternal
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because having a degree automatically qualifies you for a salaried job.



in some cases, working hourly actually pays off better when you factor in overtime.

8/25/2009 9:09:09 AM

ambrosia1231
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Just quit and give the job to someone who will appreciate it. You clearly don't.

message_topic.aspx?topic=568972

8/25/2009 9:15:07 AM

Slave Famous
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Hey, ambrosia, I also heard that OMFGPlzDoMe FARTED in the car, and locked the windows so her friends could not roll the windows down ! She made them smell it, and she LAUGHED ! Can you believe that ? When is this kid going to CLEAN UP HER ACT ?

8/25/2009 9:29:15 AM

Pikey
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Goddamn. Fuck that bitch.

8/25/2009 9:31:31 AM

chocolatervh
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i actually spotted them while driving. i looked over and saw them all gasping for air and clawing at the windows. I could not hear very well through the raised windows but behind all of the faint screams i believe i heard laughter. she is a car farting bitch i tell you.

8/25/2009 9:31:36 AM

occamsrezr
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"Just quit and give the job to someone who will appreciate it. You clearly don't.

message_topic.aspx?topic=568972"


lol, ambrosia must be one of those women that can remember something said five years ago to use as ammo in a fight. "But three years ago you once said you'd fix the gutters and you NEVER DID "

8/25/2009 10:04:36 AM

ggBro
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Tell him your username.

8/25/2009 10:05:43 AM

ambrosia1231
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"ol, ambrosia must be one of those women that can remember something said five years ago to use as ammo in a fight. "But three years ago you once said you'd fix the gutters and you NEVER DID"



I don't remember things solely for the purpose of using them as ammo, but I do have a freakishly detailed and long memory

8/25/2009 10:28:28 AM

djeternal
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^ as does 99.8% of all women, and 100% of the women I have dated.

8/25/2009 10:50:36 AM

joe_schmoe
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"How do I indirectly tell my boss I know I'm getting fucked without disclosing that I know about someone else's salary?"


go find another job making more money, then tell your boss if they don't match it, you're walking.

8/25/2009 10:54:23 AM

ScHpEnXeL
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i make less than any of the three peoples jobs i'm doing used to make individually.

take what you can get

8/25/2009 10:55:07 AM

Arab13
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"welcome to a shit economy....."


go look for another job, if you get a offer (big fucking if) go talk to your boss about it and see if he/she will at least match it.

though if you do this and they reject you, you pretty much have to quit not that long after as they will know they can just stamped you from then on.

8/25/2009 11:07:16 AM

djeternal
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I think she needs to respond to how replaceable she is first, before we go telling her to come at her boss with the whole "i found another job making more money so match it or I'm gone" approach. Again, with the job market so flooded with qualified candidates right now who would be happy with ANY job making ANY hourly wage, her current boss will most likely just tell her to take a hike.

In which case, she better be prepared to do so.

[Edited on August 25, 2009 at 11:13 AM. Reason : a]

8/25/2009 11:11:28 AM

Arab13
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^ yeah that's what i was getting at.

i mean you can ask about a raise but i highly doubt you'd get it without 3rd party proof of value (especially now). then again i'd highly doubt you'd get it at all.

8/25/2009 11:15:23 AM

djeternal
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And approaching your boss and basically admitting that you are job searching is hardly ever a good idea. A lot of employers, especially now, value employees that are going to be in it for the long-term. Letting it be known that you would be gone as soon as a better opportunity presented it self will drastically change the way you are viewed by your superiors.

8/25/2009 11:19:43 AM

chocolatervh
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still would be tough because i'm sure the boss would not like to be threatened on salary. and even if you do get the raise you would probably be on a shit list. It all depends on how valuable you are to your position. could I go in and learn your job in a month? or a year? If so, you may have a problem. They may see you bringing up other jobs salaries as "she is not satisfied with the company".

8/25/2009 11:28:11 AM

djeternal
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I think there are many really good questions itt that need to be answered before giving good advise. I hate when people start a thread looking for advice then just disappear.

8/25/2009 11:31:52 AM

ambrosia1231
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"Letting it be known that you would be gone as soon as a better opportunity presented it self will drastically change the way you are viewed by your superiors."


I would hope they already have a low view of her. Of course, she's still got a job in this economy, so that's probably not the case.


Even in good times, it's incredibly annoying and insensitive to bitch about one's job and not appreciate it. Then in this economy, to be like 'I don't like the way my boss does things and by god, I want things done my way'...you clearly don't want, like, or appreciate your job - but there are at least dozens of people who would. So let one of them have at it.

My point to DJE being that the OP can't use any advice given until she learns to get a grip.

[Edited on August 25, 2009 at 1:25 PM. Reason : the short way of putting it.]

8/25/2009 1:23:41 PM

joe_schmoe
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you people either misunderstand my post, or just don't understand the art of negotiation.

negotiation needs to happen PRIOR to being hired, or taking on a new role. negotiation does not include "I want more money because so-and-so made/makes more money" ... mabye so-and-so was being overpaid.

It comes down to this: if they're already underpaying you, there's little you can do to get a raise outside of scheduled reviews... EXCEPT threaten to bolt for more money. And this threat requires action and can't be a bluff.

So, in order :



(1) find another job that will hire you for more money

(2) respectfully explain to your boss that -- although you don't want to leave this wonderful job -- you need to be making what you're worth, and someone else is ready to pay it.

(3) be prepared to follow through on your threat to leave.



if you can't get all three of these requirements in order, then sit down and shut up until you can.

8/25/2009 2:35:15 PM

OMFGPlzDoMe
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First things first here. Ambrosia, do you have a job? If not, no surprise. With an attitude like the one you got and the obvious loose ends I see from you it wouldn't be surprising.

While I may not be invaluable, the fact that for 4 years before my arrival nobody could handle the work and was fired/quit qithin 6 months says something. I have been with the company over three years.

And also, karma is great. While not saying a word about my unhappiness, one of my clients offered me a job today.

8/25/2009 2:36:23 PM

djeternal
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^^ now THAT makes sense. typically during the interview process a good boss will ask you if you are interviewing with anyone else anyway. at which point it can only help your cause to say "yes, and they have offered me this much $"

[Edited on August 25, 2009 at 2:37 PM. Reason : a]

8/25/2009 2:37:08 PM

Stimwalt
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Typically, never take the "I have received a competitive offer from another employer" approach, unless you have the offer in your hand to show your boss. Also, this approach comes with a lot of risks and rewards. The rewards being obvious, an instant raise as a counter-offer. Now, if your boss basically tells you that they cannot match the offer, you should be prepared to give your two weeks notice immediately. Honestly, this is hardball, so if you aren't ready to jump ship pronto, don't do this.

I have done this once already, and it earned me nearly a 10k increase, but I have thick skin and enjoy playing hardball. Confidence is a must. You have to make your boss believe that you are worth keeping AND that this offer came from a company that sought you out AND that you don't want to leave the company. Not easy.

[Edited on August 25, 2009 at 2:45 PM. Reason : -]

8/25/2009 2:37:30 PM

BigEgo
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SO THAT'S AN AVERAGE DAY FOR YOU?

NO DOUBT

YOU CHOP YOUR OWN BALLS OFF AND DIE?

HELL YEAH

AND I THINK AT ONE POINT YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT SUCKING YOUR OWN DICK?

NOPE

ACTUALLY I'M PRETTY SURE YOU DID

NAH, THAT AIN'T ME

8/25/2009 2:39:57 PM

ambrosia1231
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Quote :
"First things first here. Ambrosia, do you have a job? If not, no surprise. With an attitude like the one you got and the obvious loose ends I see from you it wouldn't be surprising.

While I may not be invaluable, the fact that for 4 years before my arrival nobody could handle the work and was fired/quit qithin 6 months says something. I have been with the company over three years."


I like how you start off with a personal attack, then attempt to validate your attitude with some facts


...all the while never acknowledging or responding to anything I said.

(And to avoid doing the same: of course I have a job )

8/25/2009 2:45:44 PM

djeternal
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I would still like to know the nature of your job, OP, and what a typical day for you entails. If it is something that anyone with half a brain can be easily trained to do, then I wouldn't recommend the hardball approach unless you are truly ready to quit.

8/25/2009 2:47:16 PM

ambrosia1231
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Based on her thread history + the '3 years' statement up above, it's medical receptionist of some sort:
http://thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=523419

8/25/2009 2:50:00 PM

joe_schmoe
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Quote :
"i wouldn't recommend the hardball approach"


it works for sure. but you've got to be prepared, because there's a high probability that they will call your bluff ... so make sure that the new job is one that could work out for a while.

and that's why it's always best to "Get it when you start"... because it's much harder to get it once you're already in.

at any rate, if you're unhappy with your pay, by all means start looking around. you just might wind up finding a job you like better anyhow.



[long story]

When i was about 1 year after graduation, I had an employer that was seriously underpaying me, i put up with it for about 6-9 months (because i believed i could move up) and did a good job the whole time.

then i started presenting evidence about how i needed more money, using data of similar salaries in my area, and they wouldn't budge, saying that raises could only be given at annual reviews.

then a higher position became available, and i told them i wanted it, but they said they couldn't because my colleague had more seniority, and thus first choice. Yet they went and hired some guy straight out of college, anyhow. and probably paid him more, i'm sure.

so i started looking for another job. got one pretty quick paying almost 2X my current salary, better benefits, better company.

when i told my boss he said "how much are they offering? can we negotiate a match?"

i said, "thanks anyhow, but i don't think you'll be able to match it" and went on and gave my 2-weeks.

best choice i ever made.

[/long story]






[Edited on August 25, 2009 at 2:56 PM. Reason : ]

8/25/2009 2:51:07 PM

ScHpEnXeL
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you should have told him you could only negotiate at your annual review meetings and since you'd be gone by then then tough shit

8/25/2009 2:52:51 PM

Stimwalt
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If you have a degree, you really shouldn't be making less than 26k/year. I found out yesterday one of my friends has been working for a company for almost 4 years and only makes around 32k and he has a degree from NCSU... I know this economy isn't good, but seriously, you could be making more than 32k without a degree doing construction, lol.

8/25/2009 2:55:04 PM

Kickstand
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^^ haha, good idea

8/25/2009 2:56:44 PM

joe_schmoe
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^^^

what's funny is my last day of my 2-wk notice actually landed on my 1-year anniversary, so they then were forced to pay me 2 full weeks of vacation that they wouldn't have if I had terminated one single day previously.

i could tell they had dropped the ball on that one, because they were surprised when they realized it. i know they would have sent me packing early if they had realized it.




[Edited on August 25, 2009 at 2:58 PM. Reason : ]

8/25/2009 2:58:06 PM

ScHpEnXeL
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ahaha, that's awesome as hell

8/25/2009 2:59:11 PM

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