Joe Wilson was attacked by the libs for calling out Obama and saying he lies, in reference to illegal immigrants obtaining free health care.

So, just for reference Id like to share a few items for all the holier than though liberals.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJHzjIDAIVw

Bush Heckled at NAACP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPtB_P4XuAc

4th Of July

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBxmEGG71PM

Holier than though Democrats Booing at the State Of The Union

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pXX3nSu__k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLDzJHdxWAc

And lastly, the Libs show their lack of class at the Obama inauguration.

Whats the moral of the story, people lack class on both sides, so quit pretending that Obama being called a liar is a big fucking deal.

9/13/2009 1:14:43 PM

I honestly don't think any of that compares to what Wilson did, though I don't think his yelling at the President was in any way something he should be punished for. I do, however, think it'll get him kicked out of office during the next election. The people seem to be seeing to that.

While it was an example of bad decorum, the stupidest thing about this whole situation is that OBAMA WASN'T LYING. I'm sure he stretched the truth on several of his points or even outright lied, but the thing that got him yelled at wasn't even a lie. It's really hilarious.

9/13/2009 1:18:40 PM

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"I honestly don't think any of that compares to what Wilson did"

Its the exact same thing

9/13/2009 1:23:58 PM

Obama WAS lying. there is a provision in the bill prohibiting illegals from getting the government plan, but the Democrats refused to put any provision to enforce it, allowing them to talk out of both sides of their mouths. they want to pay lip service to the issue so people won't get pissed off but they are allowing them to have access to Obamacare by default.

9/13/2009 1:24:14 PM

First of all, other than the democrats *kind of* booing bush in that one clip, none of those are at all similar, because they are not a congressman standing up and angrily shouting at the president. Private citizens acting in this way does not, in any way, compare to a congressman acting that way in what is normally supposed to be a relatively respectful government activity. Now, the democrats booing bush is comparable but does not in any way display the lack of decorum that Wilson displayed by angrily shouting.

Obama states that the claim "that our reform efforts would insure illegal immigrants" is false. To say that is a lie because there's nothing to enforce it would mean that every single bill in existence that doesn't lay out enforcement provisions is useless, which is obviously untrue.

Also, he was being overly nice there. The claims mainly being circulated primarily center around the idea that the plan specifically says illegals will be given free healthcare. That, of course, IS completely false.

[Edited on September 13, 2009 at 1:38 PM. Reason : .]

9/13/2009 1:34:18 PM

i think the thing about Congressman Wilson is being blown out of proportion, but most of your examples aren't even remotely the same thing. Most of those people are stupid jackoffs on the street, whereas Wilson is a United States motherfucking Congressman.

9/13/2009 1:35:25 PM

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"The claims mainly being circulated primarily center around the idea that the plan specifically says illegals will be given free healthcare."

That's not true. They're concerned that there aren't provisions to keep the plan from going to undocumented immiagrants, who already have access to our hospitals through an open door policy. And that no one is willing to write it in (even without enforcement provisions) that explicitly say undocumented immigrants will not be covered.

But Wilson has already profited extensively from this himself. He's made near a million dollars since the incident (so has his opponent), but that doesn't mean his constituents won't still vote for him.

And sure he made a mistake, the man's already apologized for it twice. Now the dems are saying he needs to do it on the house floor or they'll "punish him." What kind of mess is this?

[Edited on September 13, 2009 at 1:40 PM. Reason : ]

9/13/2009 1:39:52 PM

All the people booing and shouting during the State of the Union were Congressmen and Senators. Its the exact same thing

9/13/2009 1:52:48 PM

people are lying to themselves if they don't think that Joe Wilson's outburst didn't have something to do with race

southern good ol' boy from SC does not like a black man being in charge


[Edited on September 13, 2009 at 2:49 PM. Reason : ]

9/13/2009 2:11:57 PM

When will you stop playing the race card?? Seriously, can someone have an argument with anything remotely related to Obama in the next 3 years without being called a racist??

9/13/2009 2:14:38 PM

totally

9/13/2009 2:15:27 PM

i do not think the race card should be pulled with everything relating to Obama

but in this case, it should. you really don't think a South Carolina senator - who fought to keep the Confederate flag on the SC flag - was somewhat racially motivated when he disrespected the president in a congressional hearing.

really? i mean, really?


[Edited on September 13, 2009 at 2:49 PM. Reason : ]

9/13/2009 2:23:50 PM

forget about what?

9/13/2009 2:25:44 PM

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"i think the thing about Congressman Wilson is being blown out of proportion, but most of your examples aren't even remotely the same thing. Most of those people are stupid jackoffs on the street, whereas Wilson is a United States motherfucking Congressman."

9/13/2009 3:30:59 PM

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"who fought to keep the Confederate flag on the SC flag "

OMG RACISTTTTT

9/13/2009 4:29:25 PM

so Yao Ming what your saying is that any time a Southern White male can't disagree with Obama because he is obviously a closet member of the Klan

I guess you are a Maureen Dowd fan.

9/13/2009 4:35:21 PM

I don't really think the president deserves more respect than anyone else. He's not the king, he's an elected official. I don't know why this has been blown up so much. It was a disrespectful outburst, but it's difficult for me to care.

9/13/2009 4:35:55 PM

whether I support it or not, I think general human reaction is common, and ought to be relatively tolerated--congressman or not. This is a VERY fickle, hot issue.

that said, it took me seeing an interview with Joe Wilson the other night to come to the realization that that dude is a fucking retard. dead serious, I don't see how anyone voted for him.

then i considered the geography.

[Edited on September 13, 2009 at 5:07 PM. Reason : asdfdsaaa]

9/13/2009 5:06:25 PM

there is a certain procedure and respect that is followed on the floor regardless of parties. the outburst broke that procedure and was rude. doesn't matter that he isn't king, when addressing congress there are certain rules for addressing the president (any president).

still though, not the huge deal they are making it

9/13/2009 5:06:41 PM

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"Whats the moral of the story, people lack class on both sides, so quit pretending that Obama being called a liar is a big fucking deal."

I agree with the republican.

I'm quite liberal, though I internalize my politics because, well, I don't think they really fucking matter, and I'm not going to realize my values vicariously through a filthy politician.

I didn't think Bush was anything close to Hitler, and I don't think Obama is anything close to Hitler. This whole ordeal makes me further resent the general American population.

9/13/2009 5:09:29 PM

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"First of all, other than the democrats *kind of* booing bush in that one clip, none of those are at all similar, because they are not a congressman standing up and angrily shouting at the president."

What, praytell, is the difference? The level of volume? Or do you not think the democrats were "angry" when they booed bush?

9/13/2009 8:24:53 PM

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"I don't really think the president deserves more respect than anyone else. He's not the king, he's an elected official."

Thank you, if anything politicians need to be called out as the liars they are more often.

Seriously, they're not remotely above any of us.

9/13/2009 8:31:35 PM

Clapping, booing-- they both strike me as acceptable reactions.

Booing while the President was talking wasn't cool, imho.

Directly, verbally confronting the President while he is giving an address to Congress is another level, though.

9/13/2009 9:08:32 PM

I don't think so, but I've been on record as being for a question time. The Presidency was never intended to be the center of the Federal government nor a particularly revered position.

9/13/2009 9:13:42 PM

Question time is more or less a waste. There are no surprise questions and the answers have been predetermined.

More regularly schedule press conferences would be of greater value.

9/13/2009 9:17:36 PM

No, British style question time. Press conferences are ok for what they are, but they're pretty tightly controlled and the press no longer has either the resources or the energy to pursue stonewalling politicians.

9/13/2009 10:19:19 PM

Prime Minister's Questions is a joke. They have laid out for them basically all answers to any and all possible questions that could be laid before them.

Also, it wouldn't work here; because while the Prime Minister if Head of Government he is still a member of the House of Commons. The President of the United States is both Head of State and Head of Government and functions outside the legislative branch.

Sure, it makes for good tv, but not much else.

9/13/2009 10:36:25 PM

9/13/2009 10:39:22 PM

im dissapointed wilson didnt accentuate himself enough

'you fucking lie' would have been more appropriate

9/14/2009 12:19:01 AM

I agree with the Duke on this one.

Censuring him is a waste of time, but he should have known better. There’s likely a tiny racist element, but I think it’s mostly the derangement being fostered by Fox New’s starlets Glenn Beck and Hannity, and Limbaugh that cause it.

9/14/2009 12:57:51 AM

I hope Wilson feels good for setting the new precedent of shouting at the President in the middle of his address to Congress. This will surely end well.

9/14/2009 1:06:48 AM

I know there are people who have a racial component to their dislike for President Obama, but this baseless assuming that there must be race issues behind it is ridiculous, insulting, and reprehensible.

[Edited on September 14, 2009 at 1:13 AM. Reason : ^ yeah, hopefully it doesn't become the new fad, like the townhall meeting shitshows.]

9/14/2009 1:13:17 AM

^ It’s not entirely baseless…

Wilson worked for and revered Strom Thurmond for many years.

Not to mention that the statement that he became so outraged about has racial undertones to it too.

I’m sure if I or anyone else cared to dig deeper, there’d be more to find, but it’s irrelevant at this point. Obama or the left could never win anything by trying to fight all the racists, they just simply have to work around them. There are enough non-racist these days in the Republican party that it’s better to let them handle their own on those issues.

9/14/2009 1:24:27 AM

yeah when i heard the confederate flag thing and the strom thurmond thing i was like "yeah probably a racist..." and went on my day. i think most people would be shocked if he weren't if they knew that

9/14/2009 1:32:36 AM

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"Joe Wilson says that Essie Mae Washington-Williams' decision to come forward about being Strom Thurmond's daughter is "a smear on the image that (Thurmond) has as a person of high integrity who has been so loyal to the people of South Carolina.""

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"Even if the story is true, Williams should have kept the relationship quiet, Wilson said."

9/14/2009 9:26:33 AM

^

Racist, plain and simple.

9/14/2009 10:24:09 AM

pretty much anyone from SC should be considered a default racist.

if someone doesn't like it, then let them prove that they aren't.

9/14/2009 10:51:00 AM

Joe Wilson did a classless thing with his shout-out.

Nancy Pelosi is ruining the political capital this garnered with making too big a thing about it.

and by the way...Obama IS a liar.

9/14/2009 10:54:27 AM

^ Joe Wilson is a liar. Does that make things even?

9/14/2009 11:01:22 AM

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"Yao Ming: people are lying to themselves if they don't think that Joe Wilson's outburst didn't have something to do with race southern good ol' boy from SC does not like a black man being in charge"

I think this is a very simplistic way of looking at it.

However, the outburst has been described as like a spontaneous outburst, a gutty, kneejerk type deal. I would not dismiss the idea that race played a part.

9/14/2009 11:01:22 AM

nm

[Edited on September 14, 2009 at 11:02 AM. Reason : ]

9/14/2009 11:02:32 AM

The outburst by Wilson was rude and undeserved. He apologized and Obama accepted his apology. It should have ended there.

9/14/2009 11:04:03 AM

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"The outburst by Wilson was rude and undeserved."

Arguably. Worse things have been said on the House floor before by both parties.

If a politician tells a lie or a half-truth he should be called out for telling a lie or a half truth, even if it is by another politician. Why should I respect the office of the Presidency if it's occupants (not just Obama, but pretty much all of them) disrespect it by abusing the office?

How about a little respect for the average citizen by not feeding them bullshit and obfuscation?

9/14/2009 11:12:16 AM

Worse things have been said there, sure, but that doesn't mean they should have been said -- nor does it excuse present and future outbursts. There is a time and a place for the opposition to call out the President -- perhaps their nationally-televised rebuttal that was aired right after the speech?

9/14/2009 1:31:48 PM

arguably. But I'm not going to get my underoos in a wad when professional liars call each other out for lying.

The House of Representatives was always meant to be the more rowdy of the two chambers and I'd like it if the President was afraid (politically, not physically) every time he gave a speech in front of the House.

9/14/2009 1:35:52 PM

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"If a politician tells a lie or a half-truth he should be called out for telling a lie or a half truth, even if it is by another politician. Why should I respect the office of the Presidency if it's occupants (not just Obama, but pretty much all of them) disrespect it by abusing the office?"

But it wasn't a lie or a half-truth. Wilson is the one who was completely full of shit, or he just didn't read the bill(s):

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"SEC. 242. AFFORDABLE CREDIT ELIGIBLE INDIVIDUAL. (a) DEFINITION. -- (1) IN GENERAL. -- For purposes of this division, the term ''affordable credit eligible individual'' means, subject to subsection (b), an individual who is lawfully present in a State in the United States "

and just to be safe, they even put a second provision in there:

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"SEC. 246. NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS. Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States."

This is the one thing I don't like about Obama. He's just too damn nice. Not only should he have demanded an apology, he should have waved this under Wilson's nose until he admitted he was completely wrong. The guy got off too easy for blurting out a completely asinine and baseless statement during a speech in front of a joint session of congress.

9/14/2009 1:45:21 PM

The argument they're making is "yes, the law specifically prevents illegal aliens from getting coverage, but there's nothing in the bill about enforcing that!!!11"

This allows them to continue to lie and say that illegal aliens will be covered under the bill.

In other news, miniature schnauzers aren't prevented from getting free healthcare either! Nothing in the bill *specifically* says they won't be covered.

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"Verification measures aren’t always effective either. A House Oversight Committee investigation “reviewed six state Medicaid programs in 2007 and concluded that verification rules had cost the federal government an additional $8.3 million. They caught exactly eight illegal immigrants.” The Government Accountability Office has found that such requirements caused eligible U.S. citizens to lose Medicaid coverage. Additionally, the 1996 Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act already prohibits undocumented immigrants from being eligible for most public benefits, restricts the eligibility of legal immigrants, and codifies procedures for verifying eligibility."

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/09/14/bachmann-wilson-immigration/

9/14/2009 1:58:52 PM

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"Obama WAS lying. there is a provision in the bill prohibiting illegals from getting the government plan, but the Democrats refused to put any provision to enforce it, allowing them to talk out of both sides of their mouths. they want to pay lip service to the issue so people won't get pissed off but they are allowing them to have access to Obamacare by default."

I saw Sean Hannity utter this exact argument just a few nights ago.

When Sean Hannity says something, I have a tendency to believe the exact opposite.

A character flaw on my part, perhaps... or his.

9/14/2009 4:08:08 PM

It's time for Biden to call one of the shots - he needs to host a beer summit at his crib, with Obama and Wilson.

/conflict


yes I know the conflict isnt between the president and the congressman, but it would help end the mindless drivel that keeps coming from the public regarding this issue

9/14/2009 5:21:40 PM

1.98

9/14/2009 5:56:26 PM