...confinement. also, he now claims to have been on the FBI payroll since 2002.

what am i supposed to think about this? where is salisburyboy when you need him?

9/15/2009 1:12:44 PM

Didn't this happen like 2 or 3 months ago?

9/15/2009 1:23:13 PM

yeah, but there's been recent developments.

9/15/2009 2:41:34 PM

where's your link to worldnetdaily or prisonplanet?

9/15/2009 4:27:46 PM

Well, it can't be tyrannical or unjust. The majority of people don't like racists. He deserves what he gets.

9/15/2009 4:44:29 PM

salisburyboys last thread urging the beheading of immigrants was taken verbatim from Hal Turner's website. I actually enjoyed his discussion boards until he banned me.

A number of people were discussing what an interesting first ammendment case this would be until he decided to hide entirely behind the FBI informant defense. Funny enough, anonymous hacked his server two years ago and published emails of him ratting out would be extremists to the FBI after they told him their plans, naturally he denied it then.

My favorite moment was when he claimed that earthquakes in Peru were a result of his operatives planting explosives on a fault line in retaliation for peruvian immigrant violence in New Jersey.

9/15/2009 5:01:46 PM

Hal Turner, defender of god-fearing christians, has been falsely imprisoned by the Obamacrats for alleged crimes that are no more criminal than exercising First Amendment protected speech.

This is of course being done as payback for helping the FBI clear out left wing terrorist cells.

if theres anything you should take away from this, know that Hal Turner is NOT A SNITCH.

Do not let the rumors fool you. he is not a traitorous scab, and he is not in danger of being killed by Aryan Nation gang members in the prison.

He is in protective custody because the FBI has absurdly classified him as a THREAT, which is only being done to PUNISH HIM.

History will show that Hal Turner is a righteous and man working for justice of white oops, i mean christian, Americans everywhere. Read the following account by his wife, of the unAmerican punishments being inflicted on poor, innocent Hal Turner.

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"Hal Turner was recruited by the FBI Join Terrorism Task Force in around 2002. The FBI was concerned about terrorism after 9-11. They wanted as many sources of information as they could get to prevent innocent people from being killed. Like any other normal person, Hal wanted innocent people protected from madmen bent on bombing shopping malls, hospitals, schools, or flying planes into buildings. The FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force offered to become an “Anonymous Benefactor” to pay for Hal’s radio show-related travel expenses if he agreed to keep his ears open. Hal felt that it was fair, so he agreed. Later, he was approached by supervisory people who were higher up in the FBI. They wanted Hal to be an “Intelligence Operative”. They pointed out how radical, Marxist-oriented left-wing liberals, their politicians and their judges were destroying the fabric of America. Liberal Legislation was socializing the land, Liberal Immigration policy left our borders wide open, and Liberal Judges were shredding the Constitution. Hal fully agreed with that analysis. These FBI higher-ups spoke to Hal about how Conservatives were too modest to resort to “street activism” and how the reluctance of the right to go out in the streets is causing us to lose the culture war. (Such remains the case to this very day.) ... The higher-ups made it clear to Hal that NO ONE could ever know; NOT EVEN the guys that were “handling him” on the JTTF. Hal agreed to this. Not even his family had any idea that this was happening. ... [as part of the FBI strategy to out leftist terrorists] Hal was tasked to viciously, internationally, and savagely assail jews. He was told to hurl invective bigotry, anti-semitism and outright hate at Israeli jews, jewish groups, judges, legislators, and businesses. These were not his views, but the image he was ordered to project. ... In less than one month, this operation uncovered more than 240 ‘moles’ in the FBI, CIA, USDOJ, NSA, House of Representatives, the US Senate, the White House, various State Police, and even overseas governments! This operation was a stunning success! Countless “leaks” were plugged. Inside the FBI, people were cut off from certain information access, re-assigned, urged to retire, or fired. Agencies, like the Pennsylvania State Police, had their access to certain information severely curtailed. Similarly, the US Capitol Police had to be discretely cut off. Hal’s work for the FBI helped secure out national law enforcement information from people using it to advance their criminalistic goals. He is proud of the work he’s done to help his country. ... The higher-ups in the FBI were so pleased with Hal’s work they gave him more to do, much more. Hal will ultimately tell it all – here’s one more sample of what he was TOLD to do: Target the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC). The FBI believed (and still believes) that the SPLC had one or more informants inside “Elohim City” where the bombing of the Murrah Federal Building was allegedly planned.... Thanks to the FISA warrant, and telephone taps via the USA Patriot Act – every contact, informant, media lackey, attorney, client and vendor to SPLC was identified, cataloged, researched, and listed. Got them all --- but cannot go after them for a misprision of a felony relating to Oklahoma City. The FBI knows that the SPLC is guilty, they just can’t prove it! Hal was proud to be able to do this to the SPLC. To his thinking, they are an Un-American, subversive group that deserves what Hal helped the FBI do. When the media in Chicago heard in open court that Hal was an Intelligence Operative, they sat in stunned dis-belief. When they heard Assistant US Attorney Hogan ADMIT it was true, the media exploded with news coverage --- using the term ‘informant’. They are simpletons. Now you all know that what Hal did was far different from being a ‘rat’. He WAS NO ‘SNITCH’! NOT ONE right-wing or “pro-white” group was ever investigated, searched, probed, arrested, indicted or jailed because of Hal’s activities. NOT ONE! ANYWHERE! EVER! The people in the FBI that Hal worked with are all right-wingers and devout Christians like Hal. They all grew up in a very different America. They are all patriots who see the writing on the wall - like Hal. They have element throughout every branch of government, fighting for America every day. This fight is not merely taking place in cyberspace. It is a real fight, with real people, like Hal, actually out on the front line, putting everything they are, everything they hold dear at risk. The enemy are evil people. It is not a matter of political disagreement or ideological difference. This is a fight between good and evil. Those of us on the good side fear God, trust in the individual to do the right thing on his own, embrace freedom and free enterprise. Those on the evil side trust no one but themselves. They plan to control your life, your property, what food you eat, what you can say and do. They are FIENDS who must be stopped. Hal did what was asked of him, and they have now retaliated by making a false “threat” out of legally protected free speech. They have him jailed as a --- a “high level threat” --- in Total isolation 24 hours a day! ... Hal hopes you have a better understanding of who Hal is and what he did. He is no traitor. He is a Patriot, a proud, right-wing Conservative Christian. Hal never abandoned the cause or our country. Please do not abandon Hal! Hal needs your help to fight these charges. Hal and his family are wiped out financially with legal bills. Please contribute whatever you can by using the “CHIPIN” link on this page, or send cash, check, or money order, payable to P. Turner to: P. Turner P.O. Box <etc. etc.> -- http://family-of-hal-turner.blogspot.com/ "

9/15/2009 5:07:04 PM

this thread is a victim of poor planning and flawed execution.

sorry, TSB. i have made a mockery of the Legend of Salisburyboy.

9/16/2009 4:03:28 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7kSVZwucTU

9/16/2009 4:19:03 PM

Out on bail:

http://tinyurl.com/yjwe8jr

Quote :

"Radio supremacist Hal Turner released on bail NORTH BERGEN -- After 119 days in federal custody, Harold “Hal” Turner, 47, of North Bergen was released on bail from the Martin Luther King, Jr. Federal Building and U.S. Court House in Newark on Oct. 21 shortly after 1 p.m. According to his Newark attorney, Michael A. Orozco, Turner is on house arrest and being electrically monitored. He is under strict orders against speaking to the media and is not allowed to access a computer or other devices that can connect to the internet. “Right now it’s purely trial preparation,” said Orozco, who said that he was focused on moving forward to the trial in Brooklyn on Nov. 30. Turner, a white supremacist blogger and radio host, was arrested on June 24 after stating on his blog that three federal appeals judges that upheld a local Chicago handgun ban “deserve to be killed.” He also allegedly listed their names, addresses, phone numbers and photos in following online posts. During the Chicago hearing, Orozco said that Turner had been a government informant over the years. “He helped target left wing groups,” said Orozco. “He also assisted in proving right wing activity, but I can’t commit to much further on that. That’s part of an agreement about not discussing certain aspects of the case. All I can confirm for you for a long period of time he worked very closely with the F.B.I., providing information intelligence, extremely valuable intelligence.” This past September, U.S. District Judge Donald Walter agreed to transfer the case from Chicago to Brooklyn. Orozco confirmed that Turner posted a $500,000 bond at Hudson County Jail and has since returned to his North Bergen home."

10/27/2009 2:08:59 PM

Quote :

"After 119 days in federal custody, Harold “Hal” Turner ... was released on bail from the Martin Luther King, Jr. Federal Building and U.S. Court House"

the sheer magnitude of irony is staggering.

10/28/2009 12:53:08 AM

http://www.nj.com/news/jjournal/index.ssf?/base/news-4/1259133934299740.xml&coll=3

Quote :

"Turner's lawyer hopes to grill him on paper showing hate blogger wouldn't be prosecuted Wednesday, November 25, 2009 By MELISSA HAYES JOURNAL STAFF WRITER Turner's lawyer hopes to grill him on all his knowledge of blogger working with the feds Gov.-elect Chris Christie could appear next month as a witness at the federal trial of North Bergen Internet radio host and hate blogger Hal Turner. Christie was subpoenaed by Turner's lawyer, Michael Orozco, who filed a supporting affidavit saying that when Christie was U.S. attorney he knew Turner was working with the FBI. The affidavit also says that Christie gave legal advice to the FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force regarding Turner, and that Christie issued a "blanket letter of declination" refusing to prosecute Turner. Christie was in Jersey City yesterday touring St. Lucy's Shelter and helping assemble food baskets for Thanksgiving. During a press conference at the event he said he had not yet received the subpoena and was unaware of it. "Certainly any of the advice I gave as U.S. attorney with regard to prosecutions, I'm not going to talk about publicly," he said, adding he stood by those decisions. "My general view is it's very difficult for a U.S. attorney to testify about those kinds of things and keep all that straight in your head, and generally I think that's why you don't see that happen," he added. In late June, Turner was charged with threatening federal judges in Chicago for writing an editorial on his Web site that said three federal judges there "deserved to be killed" for a ruling they made in a lawsuit. The trial is scheduled to begin Dec. 1 in New York. He has also been charged in Connecticut with inciting injury to officials who championed a bill that would give more control of church finances to lay people. Christie said he would consult the Justice Department if he is expected to testify. Orozco said he has information showing the "letter of declination" exists, but that the document has not been produced, despite requests. He said he hopes Christie can explain why it was issued. "I want him to testify. I want someone to explain to the jurors, to the court why it is this 'blanket letter of declination' is nowhere to be found," Orozco said. "I would like someone to explain what is contained in that letter." Turner, through his lawyers, has maintained that he was trained by the FBI and worked with them from 2002 to 2008 to flush out radicals before they attacked in an effort to prevent domestic terrorism. The operation was halted when computer hackers broke into Turner's radio show Web site server and gained access to e-mail exchanges between Turner and the FBI, Orozco said. Orozco said he has about 1,500 pages of documentation from the FBI, Secret Service and U.S. Marshals Service showing that Turner was working with the FBI."

11/25/2009 8:33:33 PM

Quote :

"Mistrial in case of Internet shock jock Harold (Hal) Turner, charged with threatening to kill judges Jurors deadlocked Monday in the Brooklyn trial of an Internet radio shock-jock charged with threatening to kill three Illinois federal appellate judges. A mistrial was declared after the jury deadlocked 9 to 3 in favor of acquitting Harold (Hal) Turner who was originally indicted in Illinois, where the three judges preside on the U.S. Court of Appeals. "I did think he (Turner) was a threat," juror Richard Gardener, 58, of Long Island, told reporters outside the courtroom. "He's a publicity seeker and he wants to be a bigger force than he was. By acquitting him, he would become bigger and stronger." The trial was moved to Brooklyn after defense lawyers argued he could not receive a fair trial in the same Illinois courthouse where the targeted judges worked. Enraged by their decision upholding a local ban on handguns, Turner ranted on his blog that Judges Frank Easterbrook, Richard Posner and William Bauer "deserved to die." He also posted photos of them, the courthouse and a Google map pinpointing the location of the courthouse. "Thomas Jefferson, one of our Founding Fathers, told us, 'The tree of liberty must be replenished from time to time with the blood of tyrants and patriots.' It is time to replenish the tree," Turner said on his Web site. Assistant U.S. Attorney William Hogan called Turner a "domestic terrorist" trying to incite his radical fans to violence, and rejected claims he was merely exercising his First Amendment right to be outrageous like Howard Stern and Don Imus. Defense lawyer Nishay Sanan likened his client's comments to someone wearing a T-shirt that says, "Skateboard or Die." The trial abruptly ended with the government calling only six federal agents and not the judges as planned. "Evidentiary rulings shaped our trial strategy," Hogan said. Louisiana Federal Judge Donald Walter, who was assigned the case, refused to lift a gag order on Turner and scheduled a retrial for March 1."

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2009/12/07/2009-12-07_mistrial_in_internet_shock_jock_harold_hal_turner_case_charged_with_threatening_.html

I just realized the irony of Hal Turner using a south asian for a lawyer. Nishay Sanan is apparently the same guy that defended neo-nazi Bill White.

[Edited on December 11, 2009 at 9:47 PM. Reason : .]

12/11/2009 9:36:06 PM

Interesting:

Quote :

"You might think that getting a conviction on that last one would be simple. But because of the First Amendment, it's not. Though the First Amendment says "Congress shall make no law" suppressing free speech, the Supreme Court has said in a series of rulings that there are some types of speech that can be punished because they just aren't worth the trouble they cause. For instance, you probably couldn't cry "First Amendment" after you falsely yelled "fire" in a crowded theater and caused a panic, Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes famously wrote in 1919. But words have to be pretty extreme and obnoxious to fall outside free-speech protections. What's said must amount to "fighting words" or incite "imminent lawless action" or convey "true threats." But the outer boundaries seem to shift with the times. In 1942, you couldn't call someone "damned racketeer" and "damned Fascist" on a public street because, the Supreme Court said, that was likely to provoke retaliation and a breach of the peace. But in 1969, the court said it wasn't punishable for a Ku Klux Klan leader, at a rally with burning cross, to say if federal officials continued "to suppress the white, Caucasian race, it's possible that there might have to be some revengeance taken." So where do shock jock/blogger Hal Turner's words fall?"

http://www.mercedsunstar.com/359/story/1235560.html

[Edited on December 18, 2009 at 9:35 PM. Reason : is "revengeance" a word?]

12/18/2009 9:34:38 PM

this is the guy who Sean Hannity used to go on dates with, right?

12/19/2009 4:08:09 PM

Retrial begins...

http://www.northjersey.com/news/85772672_Blogger_Hal_Turners_retrial_may_see_new_evidence_witnesses.html

Quote :

"Blogger Hal Turner's retrial may see new evidence, witnesses Ultra-right wing radio shock jock and former FBI informant Hal Turner of North Bergen is scheduled to be back in federal court today in Brooklyn, accused of threatening to kill three federal appeals judges. Turner’s previous federal trial in December on the same charge ended in a mistrial in what was considered a key legal test of First Amendment rights and how to set limits on the Internet. Those same legal issues are back this time. For this second trial, however, federal prosecutors indicate in court papers that they plan to call the three Chicago-based judges, possibly as lead-off witnesses. In Turner’s first trial, the judges did not testify. Defense lawyers have likewise signaled in court papers they again intend to claim that the 47-year-old Turner, who grew up in Ridgefield Park, was urged by the FBI to make provocative statements on the air and on his blog as a way of infiltrating right wing hate groups. In his first trial, Turner’s lawyers attempted to portray him as a shock jock and showman who never intended to harm the judges — or anyone else. An investigation by The Record in November, based on a review of confidential government documents, showed that Turner had been recruited by Newark-based FBI counterterrorism agents in 2003 and was paid thousands of dollars to spy on the Aryan Nation, the National Alliance and other extremists. Turner’s formal relationship with the FBI ended in 2007, according to FBI documents obtained by The Record. But documents also show that Turner continued to remain in contact with agents until a few weeks before his arrest in June. Meanwhile, in the wake of his first trial and his mounting legal bills, Turner is broke. He filed for bankruptcy last Wednesday, claiming he owes more than $95,000 in unpaid bills and that his once-popular internet radio network, which attracted an extremist audience, is now worth only $1. Turner stopped broadcasting after his June arrest, in part because he spent most of the next four months in a variety of jails, much of the time in solitary confinement. When released last October on bail, a judge imposed a gag order that not only barred Turner and his lawyers from talking about his case in public but blocked him from returning to his radio show or to his blog commentaries – and the income he gained from it. Federal prosecutors, who are based in Chicago and are traveling to Brooklyn for the start of today’s trial, did not answer requests for comment on the case. But a spokesman for the U.S. Attorney’s office in Chicago said federal officials are treating the Turner case as a high priority because the alleged threat was directed at federal judges. “We take this very seriously,” said spokesman Randall Samborn. Citing the gag order, Turner declined comment. So did members of his family, as well as his lead defense attorney in the federal trial, Michael Orozco. But Turner’s bankruptcy lawyer said Turner’s “life is in shambles.” “He can’t earn a living, so he was forced to file for bankruptcy,” said attorney Russell L. Low of Hackensack. Turner’s trial, which is being closely watched by First Amendment advocates as well as civil rights groups who monitor America’s extremist right wing, stems from an Internet posting by Turner in June in which he harshly criticized three Chicago-based federal appeals judges for upholding a strict handgun ban in Chicago. “Let me be the first to say this plainly: These judges deserve to be killed,” Turner wrote on his blog on June 2, 2009. “Their blood will replenish the tree of liberty.” Turner never followed through on that alleged threat, however, nor did any of his listeners, federal officials said."

3/1/2010 2:06:49 PM

Quote :

"North Bergen shock jock Hal Turner insists he never threatened judges Shock jock Hal Turner of North Bergen sparred with a federal prosecutor Thursday as he deflected efforts to portray him as a white supremacist who used his clout with extremist groups to intimidate judges and public officials with whom he disagreed. Under cross-examination by Assistant U.S. Attorney William Hogan for most of his second day on the witness stand, Turner emphatically rejected the portrayal and insisted he never threatened the three federal judges he is accused of threatening last year. “I know I couldn’t intimate them,” he declared at one point. “They’re surrounded by U.S. marshals.” Heated clashes between the defendant and prosecutor led to U.S. District Judge Donald E. Walter admonishing both men. “This is not a high school debate,” Walter interjected during one raucous exchange. “This is a question and answer by an officer of the United States. Everyone will hold their voices down.” Hogan spent the day attempting to poke holes in Turner’s testimony, pointing to writings and emails that seemingly contradicted his testimony while painting him as a racist, a liar and someone with a faulty understanding of Supreme Court rulings on protected speech. Turner, in turn, accused the Chicago-based prosecutors of withholding some of the records of his work as a confidential informant for the FBI from him and his lawyers. In his second trial — the first ended in December with a deadlocked jury — Turner is accused of threatening to assault or murder three Chicago federal appeals court judges with the intent to intimidate or retaliate against them for upholding a municipal gun ban. The charge is based on a pair of postings Turner made on his radio network blog last June, in which he said the judges “deserved to be killed” and published their photos and courthouse addresses. He could face up to 10 years in prison if convicted. Turner, who built an audience of neo-Nazis and white supremacists, testified Wednesday that the FBI recruited him in 2003 to gather intelligence on extremist groups. Code-named Valhalla, he said he was paid more than $100,000 over five years and coached on how to make violent statements that would not violate the law. Quoting from Turner’s commentaries, Hogan noted the talk-radio host regularly used highly offensive and racist language in attacks on ethnic, religious and racial groups and periodically targeted judges, saying things such as he didn’t believe that killing a judge would be wrong. Turner insisted he is not a racist and the people he singled out were either murderers, as in the case of the Washington, D.C. snipers, terrorists, illegal aliens, or others engaged in criminal activity. He said his vitriolic commentary was just for show, part of his shock jock persona. “I don’t hate Jews, blacks and Mexicans,” he said. “Isn’t it a fact that you were a member of the Aryan Nation?” Hogan asked at one point, suggesting his prominence in the white-supremacist movement was the reason his FBI handler contacted him. “That’s an outright falsehood,” Turner shot back. He also denied telling his handler that he was a member of the National Alliance, the largest neo-Nazi group in the U.S., though he did give speeches before the group. Turner said that patriotic feelings sparked by the loss of a friend on Sept. 11 motivated him to help the FBI fight domestic terrorism. Turner told Hogan that he was investigated by various law enforcement agencies for his radical comments, but until now prosecutors had declined to charge him based on his right to free speech. Turner acknowledged that the First Amendment doesn’t protect against a “true threat” and the speaker need not intend to carry out the threat. “But I didn’t make a threat. I rendered an opinion,” he told Hogan. “In your mind?” Hogan asked “Yes,” he replied. “I never said I was going to do anything.” The cross examination will continue when the trial resumes at 9 a.m. today."

http://www.northjersey.com/news/030410_North_Bergen_shock_jock_Hal_Turner_insists_he_never_threatened_judges.html

This is turning out to be pretty interesting. Regardless of the verdict, the guy is pretty much ruined as a white supremacist.

Poor salisburyboy.

3/5/2010 2:02:41 PM

i miss salisburyboy

3/5/2010 2:29:43 PM

Mistrial #2!

Quote :

"Poll: After 2 hung juries, should feds put shock jock Hal Turner on trial for third time? Controversial former hate blogger and Internet radio host Harold "Hal" Turner is scheduled to be re-tried April 12 on the charges he threatened three Chicago judges on his blog. Earlier this week the second trial, as did the first last fall, ended with a hung jury and a mistrial was declared by the judge. The FBI has acknowledged that Turner was paid and instructed to use his fiery blog and Internet radio show to stir race hatred and ferret out extremist groups that apparently would be monitored by the FBI. In the course of the two trials, federal officials said that Turner's work was at one point was terminated, but Turner kept up rhetoric."

http://www.nj.com/hudson/voices/index.ssf/2010/03/poll_after_2_hung_juries_shoul.html

3/12/2010 2:58:55 PM

Did Hannity bail him out?

3/13/2010 3:50:49 PM

Trial #3

Quote :

"Judges Reprise Testimony in Third Trial on Threats Once again, one after another, three celebrated federal appeals judges from Chicago slid into the low seat just to the right of their usual, estimable perches. From the leather-bound chair in the witness stand, each of the judges gave an encore performance of a courtroom spectacle that was rare in its first showing earlier this year, and rarer still in its second on Wednesday. The judges — Richard A. Posner, William J. Bauer and Frank H. Easterbrook — restated their reactions to an Internet posting written by a prominent white supremacist commentator who, taking issue with an opinion the judges had issued upholding a handgun ban in Chicago, suggested that “these judges deserve to be killed.” “My reaction,” said Judge Easterbrook, who is chief judge of the Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit and the author of the opinion, “was that somebody was threatening to kill me.” The appearances, in federal court in Brooklyn, enlivened the now predictable rhythms of the third trial of Harold C. Turner, the blogger and Internet radio host known as Hal to his listeners, who include members of groups like the Ku Klux Klan, Aryan Nations and neo-Nazis. Two previous trials — the second of which also featured testimony from the judges — ended with hung juries. Mr. Turner, who loaded his writings and radio programs with racist and at times violent language, is charged with a single count of threatening to assault or kill the three judges to intimidate them in their official capacity. In his posting about their unanimous decision to uphold the gun ban — which has since been overturned by the Supreme Court — he wrote, “If they are allowed to get away with this by surviving, other judges will act the same way.” As in the previous trials, defense lawyers for Mr. Turner, 48, of North Bergen, N.J., have focused attention on his long and tangled relationship as a paid informant for the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The federal agents who worked with him often encouraged his fiery language, reasoning that it could help draw information about the white supremacist movement, and told him that the statements would be protected by the First Amendment as long as no one was actually hurt, said his lawyer, Peter Kirchheimer. “The United States government told him he could say that sort of thing,” Mr. Kirchheimer said. The decision to bring a third trial after two deadlocked juries surprised some who have tracked the case. “The government wants very badly to rein in the beast that they created and has become a real danger,” said Mark Potok, a director at the Southern Poverty Law Center, a nonprofit organization that tracks hate groups, and played a role in revealing Mr. Turner’s history as an F.B.I. informant. “It’s an extremely difficult case and it has absolutely been muddied up by Turner’s role as an informant. That is clear from the two mistrials we’ve seen already. So it’s remarkable that the government is coming back for another bite of the apple.” But the rare opportunity to see federal judges as supporting actors rather than directors of a courtroom drama nevertheless drew a crowd of lawyers, law clerks and others, who filled the rows of seats. Later, they recounted the lighthearted moments and spoke nervously of what it must be like to question such accomplished witnesses. The crowd seemed most star-struck by Judge Posner, a renowned legal theorist who has written about 40 books. He spoke about his illustrious legal pedigree, briefly expounded on the role of the federal judge and, when asked how he could carry on after feeling threatened, responded plainly: “I have to, it’s my job. I mean what would I do? I don’t know what I would do.” Kevin Turton, 37, a summer intern at the United States District Court in Brooklyn who sat in on the testimony, said he could not count the number of times he had heard Judge Posner’s name during his first year at Brooklyn Law School. “I’m reading one of his books right now,” he said. “He has somewhat of a celebrity status to us. I didn’t want to miss the opportunity to see him in person, to see him react in a courtroom setting as a witness.”"

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/12/nyregion/12turner.html

8/12/2010 11:04:52 PM

Three trials for the same charge?

Long live jury nullification.

Death to America.

8/12/2010 11:21:30 PM

Convicted:

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"NJ blogger convicted of threatening Ill. judges NEW YORK — A right-wing New Jersey blogger was convicted at his third trial Friday of making threats against three federal judges in Illinois in retaliation for a ruling supporting gun control. A Brooklyn jury deliberated less than two hours before finding Hal Turner guilty of making death threats. A judge jailed Turner, of North Bergen, N.J., following the verdict. His attorney declined comment. Patrick J. Fitzgerald, the U.S. attorney for the Northern District of Illinois, thanked the jurors for their service. "There is no place in society for threatening federal judges with violence. Period," he said in a statement. "We are grateful that the jury saw these threats for what they were and rejected any notion that they were acceptable speech." Turner's mother, Kathy Diamond, said the verdict showed the jury didn't understand that "the First Amendment was the issue." She said her son, who is married and has a teenage son, "is a good man." "The family is devastated," she added. The case stemmed from the 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruling in 2009 by three judges — William Bauer, Frank Easterbrook and Richard Posner — that upheld a district court decision dismissing lawsuits that challenged handgun bans in Chicago and Oak Park, Ill. The same day, Turner protested the decision with an inflammatory post online. In one passage, he quoted Thomas Jefferson as saying, "The tree of liberty must be replenished from time to time with the blood of tyrants and patriots," court papers said. Authorities said he crossed the line by writing: "Let me be the first to say this plainly: These judges must die. Their blood will replenish the tree of liberty." At trial, Bauer testified that one of his clerks alerted him to the posting. He recalled being concerned over some of the supportive comments from readers. "A great number of people thought it was a great idea," he said. "I didn't." Posner and Easterbrook also gave similar testimony. Turner had sought to portray himself as a "shock jock" and fierce gun control opponent whose tirades were protected by the constitutional right to free speech. "He thought it was political trash talk," defense attorney Peter Kirchheimer said in opening statements. "It was the same thing he'd done many times before, only this time he was arrested." Testifying in his own defense, Turner said he was a paid FBI informant who was trying to "flush out" dangerous neo-Nazi and white supremacist members of his audience on behalf of the government. He claimed his handler encouraged commentary on the 2005 slaying of the mother and husband of another federal judge in Chicago. The FBI wanted him "to make fun of the killing, to publicly say things that might induce folks to confide in me because they thought I was an ally," he said. The case was moved to Brooklyn based on a change-of-venue ruling. Two previous trials ended with hung juries. Turner faces up to 10 years in prison. No sentencing date was set."

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jzBi0fWBvJIDUVijJgw7oQJRMYrQD9HJ13IG0

8/17/2010 7:43:41 PM

he'll do a minimal amount of time.

i reckon they'll have to keep him in solitary, else he'll get violently assraped for being a snitch.

he'll be like Norton's character in American History X, except he wont have no skinny laundry negro to get the brothers to protect him from the Shower Nazis.


(and I still don't believe Norton's character would have survived)




[Edited on August 17, 2010 at 8:48 PM. Reason : ]

8/17/2010 8:44:39 PM

Goddammit, joe.

Now I have to post that picture again and we're both going to get weirded out by the guy at the bottom.

8/17/2010 10:38:08 PM

[Edited on August 18, 2010 at 5:40 PM. Reason : ]

8/18/2010 5:39:15 PM

Finally sentenced. Does it usually take that long after being convicted?

Quote :

"Internet radio shock jock Hal Turner sentenced to prison for threatening judges Internet radio shock jock Harold (Hal) Turner was sentenced Tuesday to 33 months in prison for threatening three federal judges. Federal Judge Donald Walter sentenced Turner after the right-wing talk show host ranted in Brooklyn Federal Court for an hour about his innocence, the three criminal trials it took to convict him and over-zealous prosecutors. "The three trials were more like a three-ring circus and you were a ringmaster," Turner told Walter. Prosecutors asked the judge to slam Turner with six years in prison for writing on his blog that three appellate judges in Chicago "deserved to die" for overturning a local ban on handguns. Turner posted their photos on the Web, a photo of the courthouse and a map showing its location. The first two trials ended in hung juries. The case was transferred to the Eastern District of New York because Judges Frank Easterbrok, Richard Posner and William Bauer presided in the courthouse where Turner would have been tried in Chicago. Turner, 48, a former snitch for the FBI and U.S. Marshals Service, claimed his government handlers at the time had urged him to make provocative statements and advocate for violent resistence to smoke out domestic terrorists. "I love America, I've made America safer," he said. "Honest to God, I don't believe I violated the law." After he's released from prison, Turner is also barred from participating in Internet or satellite radio programming for three years."

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/12/21/2010-12-21_internet_radio_shock_jock_hal_turner_sentenced_to_prison_for_threatening_judges.html

If only salisburyboy were here to weigh in on the matter.

12/21/2010 2:15:45 PM

if he was still here, i'd still comment

wait...oops

12/21/2010 4:00:57 PM

This poor guy can't get a break.

Quote :

"North Bergen "shock jock" Hal Turner going on trial today in Connecticut on charges of encouraging violence against state lawmakers there NORTH BERGEN - The case of former "shock jock" Hal Turner, a North Bergen resident, will be heard today before a Hartford Superior Court Judge in Connecticut, according to his attorney Matthew Potter. In 2009, Turner, 48, was charged with encouraging violence against Connecticut lawmakers over a piece of legislation that would have given lay members of the Roman Catholic Church more control over parish finances. Turner, who was sentenced to 33 months in federal prison in December for making death threats to federal judges in Illinois, has not entered pleas to three counts of inciting injuries to persons. Each count carries one to 10 years in prison."

http://www.nj.com/news/jjournal/northbergen/index.ssf?/base/news-0/129784118383370.xml&coll=3

Of course, after that first conviction I'm sure that anyone who has ever been threatened by him wants him charged.

2/16/2011 2:17:55 PM

North Bergen hate blogger Hal Turner says feds want him to be killed in Indiana prison because he's among "the very terrorists I defended the nation from"
http://www.nj.com/news/jjournal/northbergen/index.ssf?/base/news-0/1305787244240590.xml&coll=3

hehe

5/31/2011 4:43:14 PM