Let's just say that hypothetically, you are being sucked into a black hole. In this situation, we aren't concerned about the lack of oxygen or extreme temps of space. Would you be able to feel your particles being pulled apart and broken down to the black hole's singularity? Would you survive long enough to be like "Ouch. Goddamn this sucks. I'm gonna die." and be able to see pieces of yourself breaking off? Would you be able to feel it happening? Or would the entire process be instantaneous? Like POOF you're gone without a trace?

9/16/2009 9:17:02 AM

I, too, wonder what it would feel like to be infinitely diminished.

9/16/2009 9:19:23 AM

Inifinitely Diminished would be a great emo band.

9/16/2009 9:20:44 AM

maybe

9/16/2009 9:20:51 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaghettification

9/16/2009 9:21:08 AM

im not an expert on black holes but it might depend on your speed relative to the black hole itself

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9/16/2009 9:24:37 AM

You won't feel a thing.

Instantaneous.

9/16/2009 9:30:02 AM

Let's just say that hypothetically, you are being sucked into a black hole. Let's disregard any of the normal laws of physics. Here is my dumb question:

9/16/2009 9:31:29 AM

^ Precisely.

9/16/2009 9:33:55 AM

I'm not disregarding any laws of physics. Just saying that you are still alive and conscious when you reach the event horizon? Would it be an agonizing slow painful process? Or would it be instantaneous?

9/16/2009 9:41:16 AM

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"Inside a black hole, there is no surface to prevent falling. As objects fall into a black hole, the tidal forces continuously strengthen until nothing can resist them. Thus, the infalling objects are stretched into thin strips of matter. Finally, near the singularity, the tidal forces become strong enough to tear apart molecules. Therefore, humans cannot survive once entering a singularity. The point at which these tidal forces kill depends on the black hole's size. For a supermassive black hole, such as those found at a galaxy's center, this point lies within the event horizon, so an astronaut may cross the event horizon without noticing any squashing and pulling (although it's only a matter of time, because once inside an event horizon, falling towards the center is inevitable). For small black holes whose Schwarzschild radius is much closer to the singularity, the tidal forces would kill even before the astronaut reaches the event horizon."

9/16/2009 9:42:14 AM

oh shit, God is pissed!

9/16/2009 9:43:11 AM

The warped perception of time and space would prevent the person from properly perceiving with their senses their own death.

9/16/2009 9:47:10 AM

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"I'm not disregarding any laws of physics. Just saying that you are still alive and conscious when you reach the event horizon? Would it be an agonizing slow painful process? Or would it be instantaneous?"

That's like asking what it would "feel like" if you were inside the middle of a volcano.

And yes, you're disregarding the laws of physics. Thermodynamics come to mind.

Also, like the above poster mentioned, humans are uniquely weak in the universe. Most of us can only stay conscious when exposed to forces a few times the acceleration due to Earth's gravity (not to mention surviving in a pressure-less vacuum of negative 495 degrees, but I suppose we're "disregarding" that).

So, even if we were to disregard being in a vacuum, having no oxygen, and being exposed to almost absolute zero, you would still go unconscious fairly quickly when you approached the accretion disc.

9/16/2009 9:47:57 AM

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"being exposed to almost absolute zero"

You can survive a few minutes to hours in space before you freeze. You only lose heat through radiation so it takes a while.

9/16/2009 9:50:48 AM

i figured this thread would be a spin off from the dick too big thread

9/16/2009 9:51:10 AM

I don't know if the wiki Spaghettification link covers this but if the black hole is massive enough, I believe that is I heard that that it is actually possible to cross the schwartzchild radius before feeling any significant gravitational tidal forces. Which is kind of neat, because you're lost to the universe but you're not dead yet so... and what do you see "inside" the black hole... I don't know.

... yeah the link mentions it

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"For a supermassive black hole, such as those found at a galaxy's center, this point lies within the event horizon, so an astronaut may cross the event horizon without noticing any squashing and pulling (although it's only a matter of time, because once inside an event horizon, falling towards the center is inevitable). For small black holes whose Schwarzschild radius is much closer to the singularity, the tidal forces would kill even before the astronaut reaches the event horizon."

[Edited on September 16, 2009 at 9:53 AM. Reason : .]

9/16/2009 9:52:25 AM

assume you wont go unconscious and you are indestructable. would you feel it?

9/16/2009 9:52:46 AM

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"I don't know if the wiki Spaghettification link covers this but if the black hole is massive enough, I believe that is I heard that that it is actually possible to cross the schwartzchild radius before feeling any significant gravitational tidal forces. Which is kind of neat, because you're lost to the universe but you're not dead yet so... and what do you see "inside" the black hole... I don't know."

Read it, it does a little.

9/16/2009 9:53:51 AM

well... I didn't really have to read it... did I?

9/16/2009 9:54:39 AM

The shear brutal force of the black hole will completely nullify all human sensory perceptions. Therefore, you cannot see anything, hear anything, feel anything, NEW. The only "things" that you will perceive after entering the black hole will be what you perceived before entering the blackhole.

9/16/2009 9:56:44 AM

You ghost edited ;D

9/16/2009 9:56:48 AM

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"and what do you see "inside" the black hole... I don't know."

Theoretically speaking, from an outside perspective, say we were observing Pikey approaching the black hole.

Pikey: Oh god guys I'm falling in oohhhhhhh gooooooooooooo

We would see him flailing as he approached the center, but we would notice that his failing would get slower and slower until he appeared to not be moving at all. However, he IS moving, just, in relation to us, at an infinitely slower and slower rate.

His experience would be far more out there. As he approached the center, he would begin to notice that we were moving faster and faster, not just us, but all of the space around him. Time and reality would appear from his position to be moving around him at an infinitely accelerating pace.

This would, of course, be only possible if he could see outside of a black hole, which is impossible.

9/16/2009 9:56:59 AM

^^^

you don't know that

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9/16/2009 9:57:34 AM

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"you don't know that"

It's a collapsed star. I'm quite sure we wouldn't be able to survive such a violent experience.

9/16/2009 9:59:43 AM

Wasn't God a film major or something?

9/16/2009 9:59:51 AM

^^^^

the question was what will you experience/see when you cross the schwarzschild radius

which I've always heard was for a supermassive blackhole... nothing, It would pass by and all things would be hunky dory... kind of or something

it's not like space and time would freak out for the moving point

the outside reference would see an inifite progress of time slowing down for the moving point

btw... I'm the moving point... of course

[Edited on September 16, 2009 at 10:01 AM. Reason : .]

9/16/2009 10:00:47 AM

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"Wasn't God a film major or something?"

I tend to read a lot of nonfiction about theoretical physics as a personal hobby.

9/16/2009 10:03:17 AM

Nastoute, that is the most plausible conclusion. To truly know something is a completely different branch of philosophy.

I'll be more specific, let's say the astronaut is holding a flashlight as he is entering the black hole. (You may have heard of this example before) From the outside, looking into the black hole, you will not see the astronaut or the flashlight, you will see nothing, as the astronaut has already been pulled into the event horizon. However, from the inside, the astronaut (still alive) can see his flashlight, himself, and everything that he perceived before entering the black hole. The problem here is time. Even though the astronaut is being ripped apart into bits, he cannot perceive this event as it occurs, because of the time warp at the event horizon. Eventually, the astronaut will just POOF, no longer exist (based on his perception of time), even though he never witnessed the event that caused the POOF.

[Edited on September 16, 2009 at 10:14 AM. Reason : -]

9/16/2009 10:04:08 AM

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"Wasn't God a film major or something?"

and whomever I'm so fucking angry at ARGHHHHHHHHHH

shut the fuck up

I hate this mumbo jumbo shit

I already feel dumb because I'm just saying shit instead of actually working out these problems for myself

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"Nastoute, that is the most plausible conclusion. To truly know something is a completely different branch of philosophy."

what the fuck are you talking about?

[Edited on September 16, 2009 at 10:06 AM. Reason : .]

9/16/2009 10:04:30 AM

^^

or maybe it is the same thing you were talking about

give me a reference please

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and if you say a brief history of time I will personally FIND you, tear off your head, and shit down YOUR FUCKING NECK

[Edited on September 16, 2009 at 10:30 AM. Reason : ,]

9/16/2009 10:09:28 AM

god, these roids are AWESOME

9/16/2009 10:11:14 AM

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"The shear brutal force of the black hole will completely nullify all human sensory perceptions."

I don't really know anything about astrophysics, but don't you have to define (like nastoute is trying to do) a distance away from the singularity?

The force of the hole doesn't extend into infinity you know.

9/16/2009 10:14:55 AM

in on the first page of people talking about things they know nothing about.

9/16/2009 10:16:00 AM

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"Let's just say that hypothetically, you are being sucked into a black hole. Let's disregard any of the normal laws of physics. Here is my dumb question:"

ITS HARD FOR GOD TO IMAGINE THAT SOMEONE MIGHT BE WEARING A SPACE SUIT

9/16/2009 10:18:12 AM

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"The force of the hole doesn't extend into infinity you know."

well... it's does though

9/16/2009 10:27:32 AM

the force required to spaghetti matter doesn't extend into infinity

and if you want to be anal about that statement

the force is so weak that its a waste of time to talk about it

you knew wtf I was talking about

9/16/2009 10:39:18 AM

i'm not being anal and I'm not trying to be a jerk

the thing you said, the sentence, was very wrong

9/16/2009 10:44:26 AM

Stop me if I'm wrong here, but two points, far apart, could be moving apart fast enough that the force of gravity from A would never be felt at B.

9/16/2009 11:05:31 AM

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"The force of the hole doesn't extend into infinity you know."

We cannot predict what happens at Singularity, because the theory states that we will reach a condition of infinite gravitational force. For the rotating Black holes, the internal structure is more complex, and based on the internal structure of trajectories for matter in the black hole, you could avoid colliding with the Singularity and possibly reemerge from the black hole somewhere else. Perhaps, at some very different time in the future, thousands or billions of years after you entered.

We actually have no idea what exactly happens to the astronaut after he's entered the black hole, because we do not have the means to test it. We assume that the astronaut is stretched and ripped into singularity, but it's possible that he could avoid the singularity event entirely, and then pop out of the other side of the black hole into a completely different universe with a different time line. We simply don't know what happens inside the black hole to make any valid assumptions based on evidence. Some think it's possible that super massive rotating black holes lead to other dimensions if someone can survive the black hole without getting owned by Singularity, but it's all speculation.

So basically, once the astronaut is inside a black hole, beyond the Event Horizon, we can only speculate what the fate of the astronaut truly is. General relativity tells us that there are two kinds of black holes; the kind that do not rotate, and the kind that do. Each of these kinds has a different anatomy inside the Event Horizon. For the non-rotating black hole, there is no way for matter to avoid colliding with the Singularity, period!

Some exotic and elaborate theories say that the astronaut will reemerge in another universe entirely, but many prominent meta physicists don't believe that interpretation is even possible. The problem is that for rotating black holes created by real physical events, the interior of a black hole is awash with gravitational radiation, which makes the geometry of space-time very unstable, making these kinds of trips virtually impossible to survive in theory, and perhaps impossible to navigate around Singularity based on the structure of the black hole. However, for the nerds out there among us, rotating black holes are the closest thing we have in science, not science-fiction, for the possibility of time travel. This idea leads into Einstein's discussion about the impossibility of going faster than the speed of light.

9/16/2009 11:31:54 AM

Hey guys, what's going on in this thread?

9/16/2009 11:32:23 AM

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"Inifinitely Diminished would be a great emo band."

9/16/2009 11:32:53 AM

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"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaghettification"

I was gonna say something similar...

9/16/2009 11:34:11 AM

by the time you'd see it, it's already over. the fact that light could not even escape it's gravitational pull should let you know how fast it would suck you in.

9/16/2009 11:37:29 AM

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"i'm not being anal and I'm not trying to be a jerk the thing you said, the sentence, was very wrong"

Sure, if we're real physicists having a real physics discussion, but since this is chit chat, where amateurs will debate like experts over ANY subject matter, what I said was accurate enough for the discussion.

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"We cannot predict what happens at Singularity,"

As best I can tell, no one in here has even contemplated what happens at or near the singularity but you.

[Edited on September 16, 2009 at 11:40 AM. Reason : .]

9/16/2009 11:37:34 AM

but no, it really wasn't

stop failing so fucking hard

9/16/2009 11:40:25 AM

what do you use your math for Shadowrunner? (this is me making fun of you because I think you work on policy issues where math is a tool for the confusion)

9/16/2009 11:42:24 AM

Where does the infinite gravitational force of a black hole's singularity originate from? I mean why is it so strong at the one point?

9/16/2009 11:43:53 AM

from the mass at the center

...

picture your mom's puckered asshole... it down there

9/16/2009 11:45:01 AM

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"but no, it really wasn't stop failing so fucking hard"

Ok dickface, show off your worthless knowledge. Educate me. I'm begging you.

9/16/2009 11:45:02 AM