Solinari All American 16957 Posts user info edit post |
"... the Constitution allows for many things, but what it does not allow is the most revealing. The so-called Founders did not allow for economic freedom. While political freedom is supposedly a cornerstone of the document, the distribution of wealth is not even mentioned. While many believed that the new Constitution gave them liberty, it instead fitted them with the shackles of hypocrisy."
- Barack Obama 10/23/2009 1:12:35 PM
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d357r0y3r Jimmies: Unrustled 8198 Posts user info edit post |
Link?
If he actually wrote this, that gives us some insight into his warped perception of what the economy is and what the role of government is. 10/23/2009 1:25:50 PM
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hooksaw All American 16500 Posts user info edit post |
^^ I don't know whether that's legit, but it reads like Che 101-level agitprop.
[Edited on October 23, 2009 at 1:27 PM. Reason : .] 10/23/2009 1:26:26 PM
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JCASHFAN All American 13916 Posts user info edit post |
10/23/2009 1:28:03 PM
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Solinari All American 16957 Posts user info edit post |
I don't know if it is legit or not either! 10/23/2009 1:28:26 PM
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NyM410 J-E-T-S 50084 Posts user info edit post |
http://jumpinginpools.blogspot.com/2009/08/obama-college-thesis-constitution-is.html
This is where it was originally from. Some other blog posted it today and linked to this. In the comments section there might be an idea of where it supposedly came from? 10/23/2009 1:32:19 PM
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hooksaw All American 16500 Posts user info edit post |
OBAMA'S MISSING 'THESIS' July 24, 2008
Quote : | "NBC Senior Investigative Producer Jim Popkin looks at "Obama and the case of the missing 'thesis'" in an item on NBC blog Deep Background.
Conservative provocateurs have been hunting for it. Investigative journalists have been on the prowl, too. Even a former professor has been searching through old boxes for his copy of it. But today Barack Obama made it official: He doesn’t have and can’t release any copies of the thesis-length paper he wrote 25 years ago while a senior at Columbia University.
“We do not have a copy of the course paper you requested and neither does Columbia University,” Obama spokesman Ben LaBolt told NBC News.
The hunt for Obama’s senior “thesis” began with a throwaway line in a newspaper article last October. The New York Times story, on Obama’s early New York years, mentioned in passing that the presidential contender had majored in political science at Columbia and had spent his time “writing his thesis on Soviet nuclear disarmament.”
Journalists began hounding Columbia University for copies of the musty document. Conservative bloggers began wondering if the young Obama had written a no-nukes screed that he might come to regret. And David Bossie, the former congressional investigator and “right-wing hit man,” as one newspaper described him, took out classified newspaper ads in Columbia University’s newspaper and the Chicago Tribune in March searching for the term paper.
So what does the missing paper say, and could it be politically damaging to Obama? The Obama campaign won’t offer any guidance since it says it doesn’t have a copy. Spokesman Ben LaBolt wouldn’t even say whether Sen. Obama threw out his copy or lost it.
So we turned for answers to the former professor who graded the now-elusive paper. His former professor, Michael Baron, recalled in an interview with NBC News that Obama easily aced the year-long class. Baron described the paper as a “thesis” or “senior thesis” in several interviews, and said that Obama spent a year working on it. Baron recalls that the topic was nuclear negotiations with the Soviet Union.
“My recollection is that the paper was an analysis of the evolution of the arms reduction negotiations between the Soviet Union and the United States,” Baron said in an e-mail. “At that time, a hot topic in foreign policy circles was finding a way in which each country could safely reduce the large arsenal of nuclear weapons pointed at the other … For U.S. policy makers in both political parties, the aim was not disarmament, but achieving deep reductions in the Soviet nuclear arsenal and keeping a substantial and permanent American advantage. As I remember it, the paper was about those negotiations, their tactics and chances for success. Barack got an A.”
Baron said that, even if he could find a copy of the paper, it would likely disappoint Obama’s critics. “The course was not a polemical course, it was a course in decision making and how decisions got made,” he said. “None of the papers in the class were controversial.”" |
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/07/24/1219722.aspx
In any event, I'm disinclined to give Obama shit about something he wrote during his undergrad years. But Obama's campaign and now his administration seem awfully secretive about things like Obama's GPAs, writings, and so on. Furthermore, I'm not aware of any scholarly legal works by the supposedly brilliant Harvard constitutional law professor and president of the Harvard Law Review (a journal of legal scholarship), there should be something available from Obama--but everything just got "lost," which I find damned peculiar.
Exclusive: Obama's lost law review article 8/22/08
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12705.html 10/23/2009 1:44:23 PM
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AndyMac All American 31922 Posts user info edit post |
"... What you gon' do with all that junk? All that junk inside your trunk? I'ma get, get, get, get, you drunk, Get you love drunk off my hump."
- Barack Obama 10/23/2009 1:44:57 PM
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Lumex All American 3666 Posts user info edit post |
Am I supposed to infer something from this quote other than "Barack Obama can read the constitution"? 10/23/2009 1:45:43 PM
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d357r0y3r Jimmies: Unrustled 8198 Posts user info edit post |
Actually, it would suggest that he doesn't know what the constitution is for. I mean, this is the part that really seems fucked up to me:
Quote : | "The so-called Founders did not allow for economic freedom." |
That's just straight up wrong. 10/23/2009 1:48:06 PM
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DrSteveChaos All American 2187 Posts user info edit post |
It's wrong in the sense that one reads the Constitution bestowing rights, rather than proscribing the sphere of government, yes. This also pertains to personal liberties, and Obama's seeming disdain toward actual civil liberties concerns (campaign rhetoric otherwise).
But then, does this interpretation surprise anyone? Anyone? Bueller? 10/23/2009 1:58:37 PM
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Lumex All American 3666 Posts user info edit post |
Young, black, poly sci major, in the 80s...it's tamer than I would expect. 10/23/2009 2:00:10 PM
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OopsPowSrprs All American 8383 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | ""... What you gon' do with all that junk? All that junk inside your trunk? I'ma get, get, get, get, you drunk, Get you love drunk off my hump."
- Barack Obama" |
You owe me a new monitor. 10/23/2009 2:54:28 PM
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mambagrl Suspended 4724 Posts user info edit post |
capitalism only provides genuine economic freedom for the land owning elite, who which the constitution was really written for. Sure the constitution was great and all, but I hate how people act like the founding fathers were perfect in every thing they did and somehow knew how to write timeless documents that would be relevant forever. 10/24/2009 10:36:19 AM
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Nerdchick All American 37009 Posts user info edit post |
why is everyone still discussing this? I googled the passage and all I can find is 404 missing pages and outraged bloggers. Reliable sources posted here say the real thesis topic was nuclear disarmament - there's no reason the excerpt would appear in that paper.
The passage is clearly fake. 10/24/2009 10:49:53 AM
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Solinari All American 16957 Posts user info edit post |
kind of like the dan rather docs... they were fake, but we knew that what they said was true anyway so why not report on it ![](images/beatup.gif)
[Edited on October 24, 2009 at 11:03 AM. Reason : s] 10/24/2009 11:02:47 AM
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marko Tom Joad 72810 Posts user info edit post |
reminds me of when Muzition00 wrote that fake cnn article "Fellatio reduces risk of breast cancer"
and before he knew it
it was beamed around the world as fact 10/24/2009 2:10:27 PM
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hooksaw All American 16500 Posts user info edit post |
I like how many of you here are focused on a clearly fake document allegedly from Obama's undergrad years. Yet, you completely ignore the glaring fact that Obama was a Harvard constitutional law professor and president of the Harvard Law Review (a journal [meaning, there's a lot of writing in it] of legal scholarship)--there should be something available from this period that he wrote.
But this--like Obama's GPA, transcripts, and any writings at all--are "missing." Strange.
Even here at State, we are required to file our master's theses and doctoral dissertations with the library.
Exclusive: Obama's lost law review article 8/22/08
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12705.html 10/24/2009 3:07:19 PM
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OopsPowSrprs All American 8383 Posts user info edit post |
Haha..."missing". Like Harvard fucking lost them or something. 10/24/2009 3:24:38 PM
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hooksaw All American 16500 Posts user info edit post |
^ Can you or anyone else produce even one scholarly work by Obama from his law school years as a student or as a professor? Just one. 10/24/2009 3:30:20 PM
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PinkandBlack Suspended 10517 Posts user info edit post |
they reveal his secret love of his Kenyan homeland and Marxist-Islamic Socialism, for sure.
what, are we going to impeach him because of his Harvard Law Review opinions?
[Edited on October 24, 2009 at 3:31 PM. Reason : .] 10/24/2009 3:30:24 PM
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hooksaw All American 16500 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "^ Can you or anyone else produce even one scholarly work by Obama from his law school years as a student or as a professor? Just one." |
10/24/2009 3:30:51 PM
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PinkandBlack Suspended 10517 Posts user info edit post |
hooksaw thinks he's got this massive "GOTCHA LIBURALS" thing going here, but the joke is on him.
the man is already president for better or worse and preparing to abolish capitalism/establish death panels/launch an assault on grammar
[Edited on October 24, 2009 at 3:34 PM. Reason : .] 10/24/2009 3:34:08 PM
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OopsPowSrprs All American 8383 Posts user info edit post |
No one can produce that but Obama himself. Harvard isn't going to release his grades, transcripts, theses, etc. without his consent.
Or maybe you're right and it's really all a big cover-up of something juicy. 10/24/2009 3:38:32 PM
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PinkandBlack Suspended 10517 Posts user info edit post |
yes
his foreign exchange student documentation
or his essays on his marxist perspectives
otherwise i can't see what bombshell hooksaw expects 10/24/2009 3:40:03 PM
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DrSteveChaos All American 2187 Posts user info edit post |
Typically, though, these are published in a university library and archived, unless a seal is put on them. One typically doesn't require consent to view these; they're public documents. So it's a little odd that it's mysteriously "unavailable." I don't think it would uncover anything remarkable at that; if anything, I think the distinct lack of a paper trail is telling in that it paints a fairly vivid picture of a man whose future ambitions made him walk a very narrow path of never divulging anything too controversial or challenging.
If you will - no law review articles with his name attached. No thesis with his name attached. When he was a law professor at U of C, fellow law professors would observe that he would listen intently but rarely ever stake out any hard positions. You are basically looking at the record of a person who never wanted to be nailed down to any one position, thought, or comment which could ever stir up controversy. The perfect portrait of naked ambition personified.
Does it matter? Not really. Guy's already president. What the hell do you hope to uncover at this point? Evidence that he somehow never attended Harvard? Do they impeach people for that, now? 10/24/2009 3:50:14 PM
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TreeTwista10 Forgetful Jones 148050 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Does it matter? Not really. Guy's already president." |
He hasn't sewn up his 2nd term yet has he. Why would he let any information out until he's gotten re-elected?] 10/24/2009 3:53:16 PM
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carzak All American 1657 Posts user info edit post |
They are clearly hiding his writings because they are that of that of an antisocial communist revolutionary who wants to turn the country into Soviet Russia.
He studied constitutional law. Honestly, what is the worst case scenario of the stuff he has written?
And:
Quote : | "When Politico reporters working on a story about Obama's law review presidency earlier this year asked if he had written for the review, a spokesman responded accurately - but narrowly - that "as the president of the Law Review, Obama didn't write articles, he edited and reviewed them."" |
10/24/2009 3:55:06 PM
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AndyMac All American 31922 Posts user info edit post |
Someone get me GWB's thesis.
Right now.
If you can't produce it I'll call him a nazi.
[Edited on October 24, 2009 at 4:10 PM. Reason : [.][.] 10/24/2009 4:09:44 PM
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JCASHFAN All American 13916 Posts user info edit post |
I wonder how this compares to the paper trail (or lack thereof) for other Presidents. 10/24/2009 4:18:33 PM
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TreeTwista10 Forgetful Jones 148050 Posts user info edit post |
He's obviously too dumb to write a thesis. But if you recall, there are plenty of copies of various records and things for GWB around the Internet.
^its tough to say because of the internet age...theoretically, the last few Presidents should have the most history online simply based on the age of the internet
[Edited on October 24, 2009 at 4:20 PM. Reason : .] 10/24/2009 4:19:27 PM
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nutsmackr All American 46641 Posts user info edit post |
Can Hooksaw produce evidence that he isn't a pedophile? 10/24/2009 8:47:12 PM
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hooksaw All American 16500 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "^ Can you or anyone else produce even one scholarly work by Obama from his law school years as a student or as a professor? Just one." |
It's revolting to watch you buffoons gear up and reflexively defend Obama with strawmen and stupid arguments. I have never said that Obama's "missing" dissertation or any other writing would prove anything--I have simply noted that I and others find the absence of any writings whatsoever as more than a bit unusual.
Despite loud clicking and screeching sounds coming from the metaphorical mouths of the moonbats here, I am an open-minded person--and I give credit where credit is due. A scholarly paper by Obama might be worth reading for other than a "Gotcha!" reason. I might applaud Obama on a well-written paper--it's entirely possible.
In any event, as DrSteveChaos noted, the "distinct lack of a paper trail is telling" concerning Obama's scholarly work--I mean, where's his CV? This informs us that something is amiss--what this is remains to be seen. 10/24/2009 9:24:56 PM
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A Tanzarian drip drip boom 10994 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | " I am an open-minded person" |
lol
Does your nose touch the monitor when you sit down to type? 10/24/2009 9:28:09 PM
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hooksaw All American 16500 Posts user info edit post |
^ *Sigh*
I have never been a registered Republican.
I have never voted a straight-party ticket.
I have criticized Republicans--including Bush.
I have praised Democrats--including Obama.
And I voted for Bill Clinton--the first time.
Need more, doofus? Now STFU. ![](images/rolleyes.gif) 10/24/2009 9:43:43 PM
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nutsmackr All American 46641 Posts user info edit post |
The missing paper trail proving you aren't a pedophile is unnerving. 10/24/2009 9:56:07 PM
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BridgetSPK #1 Sir Purr Fan 31378 Posts user info edit post |
Wait.
We all agree that it's weird that we can't find anything he authored, right?
I mean, it's either really crappy or really anti-what-most-people-believe-is-America.
I hope it's not the first thing. That's just embarrassing.
But we'll probably never get to read anything so it's all good. 10/24/2009 10:15:30 PM
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hooksaw All American 16500 Posts user info edit post |
If any of you had bothered to check the link I posted, you'd have seen that the article confirms a six-page paper from Obama concerning reproductive rights, Guess what? I agree with Obama's position.
But you stooges can keep conjuring up stupid strawmen if you like. The fact of the matter remains that the absence of writing from Obama is damned peculiar--and the defensiveness that this issue is generating reveals that a nerve has been struck.
Quote : | "The notion that Obama hadn't written at all for the Review prompted skepticism. 'They probably don't want [to] have you [reporters] going back' to examine the Review, University of Southern California law professor (and Michael Dukakis campaign manager) Susan Estrich said at the time." |
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12705.html 10/24/2009 10:35:58 PM
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HockeyRoman All American 11811 Posts user info edit post |
Oh come on. Haven't you been watching Glenn Beck like any good true American? He clearly lays out every night on his handy-dandy black board that not only does Obama have a deep seeded hatred for Amercia vis-a-vis his adulation for Mao, but also an uncanny connection to Kevin Bacon! 10/24/2009 10:38:05 PM
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carzak All American 1657 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | " A scholarly paper by Obama might be worth reading for other than a "Gotcha!" reason. I might applaud Obama on a well-written paper--it's entirely possible." |
Bullshit. Everyone knows you're looking for something you can roll your eyes at and rub in everyones face. Your post history speaks louder than your words. 10/24/2009 10:43:51 PM
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hooksaw All American 16500 Posts user info edit post |
^ Can you read?
Quote : | "If any of you had bothered to check the link I posted, you'd have seen that the article confirms a six-page paper from Obama concerning reproductive rights, Guess what? I agree with Obama's position." |
hooksaw
Shut. . .the fuck. . .up. 10/24/2009 10:45:19 PM
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A Tanzarian drip drip boom 10994 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | ""The notion that Obama hadn't written at all for the Review prompted skepticism. 'They probably don't want [to] have you [reporters] going back' to examine the Review, University of Southern California law professor (and Michael Dukakis campaign manager) Susan Estrich said at the time."" |
This is just fucking stupid. No matter what the Obama administration wants, they can't prevent reporters and other interested parties from researching and finding for themselves what Obama has (or hasn't) written in the past.
Or is there a vast left wing conspiracy to hide all of Obama's papers? 10/24/2009 10:47:13 PM
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hooksaw All American 16500 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "But you stooges can keep conjuring up stupid strawmen if you like. The fact of the matter remains that the absence of writing from Obama is damned peculiar--and the defensiveness that this issue is generating reveals that a nerve has been struck." |
10/24/2009 10:48:15 PM
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A Tanzarian drip drip boom 10994 Posts user info edit post |
Yes, we all know you can use quote tags.
Would you like a cookie? 10/24/2009 10:50:32 PM
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Scuba Steve All American 6931 Posts user info edit post |
Another hoax
Quote : | "It must have seemed so perfect. An obscure blogger unearths some pages of President Obama's college thesis. The report supposedly comes from big-time journalist Joe Klein of Time magazine. And the thesis has some real gems: like Obama's disdain for the Constitution.
The whole thing was nothing more than a satirical post on a humor blog. But Rush Limbaugh, who quoted from the supposed thesis on his radio show, sure wasn't laughing. Here's how it went down.
An unknown blogger picked up on a made-up post meant as a joke, which claimed that Joe Klein had gotten his hands on 10 pages of student Obama's college thesis. Rush Limbaugh jumped on it, which immediately sparked Web searches on "obama thesis."
Supposedly titled "Aristocracy Revisited," the excerpt revealed the president had "doubts" about the "so-called founders." Juicy. Except not true. Limbaugh discovered halfway through his show that he'd been had, but defended himself by saying basically the thesis felt true. Listen in to Rush's mea sorta culpa.
Joe Klein finally jumped in, and called the report "nonsense" on his Swampland blog, and the blogger who thought the hoax was real also apologized.
Let's hope someone kept their sense of humor in all this. Still, for a humble post to go from humor blog to major media outlet sure seems impressive. Someone ought to write their thesis on it. For real. " |
http://buzz.yahoo.com/buzzlog/93122?fp=1 10/24/2009 10:53:39 PM
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carzak All American 1657 Posts user info edit post |
If you just thought it was peculiar, you would share the information and go on your way. But you come back and attack people, and offer nothing more other than "it's peculiar." You can show that you agree with Obama, but everyone knows what you're after. You're trying to troll people. 10/24/2009 10:58:04 PM
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hooksaw All American 16500 Posts user info edit post |
^^ I figured it was.
^^^ And can you find me one professor from here at State who doesn't have his or her name attached to any scholarly work? Just one.
Quote : | "[Obama's] name doesn't appear on any legal scholarship." |
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12705.html
[Edited on October 24, 2009 at 10:59 PM. Reason : ^ Shut up. ] 10/24/2009 10:58:45 PM
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carzak All American 1657 Posts user info edit post |
What is your point? That its peculiar? Again? Do you think we don't all think it's peculiar? Do you think we're all idiots who think this is all completely normal?
Fuck off and go troll in another thread until you find something on him. 10/24/2009 11:08:31 PM
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A Tanzarian drip drip boom 10994 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "But this--like Obama's GPA, transcripts, and any writings at all--are "missing." Strange." |
-hooksaw
Why is the word missing in quotes? 10/24/2009 11:10:27 PM
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hooksaw All American 16500 Posts user info edit post |
^^ So you agree that it's peculiar?
^ For special meaning. 10/24/2009 11:16:33 PM
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