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"Cartoon propagates degradation of students I am writing in regards to the N.C. State versus Florida State University cartoon that ran in Technician Friday. I was taken aback at the image and the subliminal messages it potentially conjures within the campus community. The American Indian population is often times overlooked institutionally; it becomes a silent population whose value and contribution to campus is ignored. The end result yields a population that is often times segregated, isolated and left to feel ostracized. The cartoon that was published in Friday’s paper further expounds upon those feelings. It would seem to me that NCSU would be a more progressive, responsive and inclusive campus that centers on a positive climate for its community. Suggestive imagery, symbols and stereotypes negate value and the importance of groups, thus inhibiting progress. Shouldn’t Technician be a vehicle of knowledge and a medium where we educate our community on issues, programs and events pertinent to the educational development of its community? Publication of such imagery propagates the continual degradation of groups and prohibits the University from fulfilling its mission to all students. The image was inappropriate and insensitive to the American Indian population and the long struggle it has been battling for centuries in this, its native country. Maybe others feel this issue is irrelevant. But, as an American Indian who works constantly to educate others about psychological implications of imagery, conversion of words and gestures that elicit discriminatory undertones, I was offended and this issue is significant to me. Brett Locklear director, graduate recruiting Become educated during Native American heritage month The Wolfpack versus Seminoles cartoon in Technician Friday provides an opportunity to reflect and discuss on the power of symbols. Is the cartoon a harmless depiction of a school mascot or does it reinforce a pervasive stereotype? Symbols and stereotypes have stunning power to elicit emotional responses. International incidents have erupted over cartoons; atrocities have been fueled by caricatures of religious or ethnic groups. We strive to create an inclusive and respectful climate at N.C. State. Maintaining this kind of climate requires awareness and understanding of the history behind the symbols and stereotypes and an understanding of why some symbols might be hurtful, infuriating or generally unwelcome. Understanding more about each other is a necessary first step. Become educated -- November is Native American Heritage Month. A slate of films, discussions, art exhibits and cultural events are planned at the University. Take advantage of these opportunities; talk with fellow students and faculty about the issues of stereotypes and symbols; move NCSU toward our goal of an inclusive and welcoming environment. Marcia Gumpertz assistant vice provost for faculty and staff diversity"

If any TWWers are Native American, I would love to hear your opinion. I personally don't see anything wrong with it. PETA and SPCA don't complain when animal images are knocked around, and I didn't hear any church members upset about cartoons involving the Deacon... why is this such a big deal?
Image for reference:
http://152.1.91.24/u/toon103009color.jpg

[Edited on November 3, 2009 at 2:25 PM. Reason : -]

11/3/2009 2:22:18 PM

Their beef is with FSU, not NCSU.

11/3/2009 2:27:06 PM

the only thing offensive about that cartoon was that it suggested nc state might actually win a football game.

11/3/2009 2:28:33 PM

Except FSU has the support of the seminole tribe and even hires seminole members to oversee and design their traditions/mascots/symbols.

So, basically, non-issue. And although I highly doubt she actually confronted the creator of the image, if she did I hope marko told her to stfu and gtfo.

11/3/2009 2:30:12 PM

marko, aside from the occasional kitten slaughter, embodies all that is just and good

11/3/2009 2:32:29 PM

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"Their beef is with FSU, not NCSU."

No, they are straight out saying it is wrong of technician to print pictures of a Native getting beat up.

However, if we were playing UVA, and it was the wolf beating up the WHITE cavalier, who would have a problem?

This year's pic for reference:

From 2007:


[Edited on November 3, 2009 at 2:34 PM. Reason : -]

11/3/2009 2:33:23 PM

some people just go around looking to be offended

11/3/2009 2:33:33 PM

^ SHUT THE FUCK UP

all I ask marko, is where was the whiskey?

do your job, man.

[Edited on November 3, 2009 at 2:35 PM. Reason : .]

11/3/2009 2:34:12 PM

^^

11/3/2009 2:35:00 PM

Looks like this is the guy:
http://cnr.ncsu.edu/cfd/summit2009.htm



Sounds like he is professionally offended.

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"Brett A. Locklear, a Lumbee Indian, is the Director of Graduate Recruiting for the Graduate School at North Carolina State University. He earned a BA from UNC-Pembroke and a M.A. in Education Administration from NC State. His thesis, “Generational Trauma, Anger and Cultural Invasion: Barriers to Access in Recruitment, Retention and Persistence for American Indian Students in Higher Education,” has provided him the opportunity to present academic papers to institutions across the nation as well as national conferences addressing the Indian Education, tribal sovereignty, the political demolition of Indigenous nations, the psychological implications of mascots and stereotypes amongst Native peoples, and the social climate of higher education and accessibility. Brett is service oriented and serves on numerous boards advocating for inclusion, civic rights, and cultural preservation for American Indians. He is a board member of the Triangle Native American Society, the United Tribes of North Carolina, and a Commissioner for the North Carolina Commission of Indian Affairs."

11/3/2009 2:35:32 PM

If Yeshiva had a football team and we played them, and Marko drew a picture of a Chassidic Jew getting smacked around by Mr. Wuf, I'd be fine with it.

11/3/2009 2:35:43 PM

My people have already been decimated enough by white folks. I doubt one cartoon is going to make that big of a difference. This reeks of someone looking to be butthurt about something. Props to marko. Go State!

11/3/2009 2:39:02 PM

^^^

[Edited on November 3, 2009 at 2:41 PM. Reason : beat to the punch]

11/3/2009 2:41:02 PM

btw this dude went to Pembroke (Mascot: The Braves), bet he didn't bitch about that

11/3/2009 2:43:42 PM

I concur with the above posts

11/3/2009 2:45:14 PM

LOL at the idea of Yeshiva having a football team.

11/3/2009 2:46:06 PM

He should have drawn the wolf coughing into a blanket and then handing it to him.

11/3/2009 2:46:40 PM

^^ oh but they do:

11/3/2009 2:47:06 PM

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"Brett A. Locklear, a Lumbee Indian"

This is a goddamn lie because there's no such thing as a Lumbee Indian. They don't exist as a real group, no matter how much whining the non-indians in the area do.

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Also, if they didn't want to be mascots then they should have had better immune systems.

11/3/2009 2:53:39 PM

Mark

please tell this retard to get fucked.

11/3/2009 2:59:28 PM

^^ DING DING DING

My dog has more indian blood in her than those people.

11/3/2009 3:15:17 PM

Could somebody quickly explain to me the debate over whether or not these people constitute "real" Indians?


It seems evident to me that they are in fact an American Indian group. What's the problem here? Not "pure" enough? Do they already belong to another tribe or tribes? Did they collectively identify themselves too late to have the necessary history behind them?

11/3/2009 3:22:23 PM

Aha seriously, my first comment when marko posted the comic on FB was a joke about hate crimes. I hope Brett Locklear gets kicked in the face by a wolf.

11/3/2009 3:35:50 PM

Oh puh-leeez!

The cartoons are great. He should've done one of the Wolf kicking Mary Easley.

11/3/2009 3:38:16 PM

I assume he's related to Sean Locklear.

11/3/2009 3:48:11 PM

God, I hate Bridget.

Most likely they were descendant from half-black, half-white "free coloreds" in the area. Probably some of those people fucked Indians. That doesn't make them their own tribe.

Even if every last "Lumbee" has Indian blood (dubious), they qualify at most as a "Native American group" in the sense that if you get a Sioux, a Cherokee, and a Seminole together you have a group of Native Americans. They aren't a tribe unto themselves, and aren't entitled to refer to themselves as such (or to receive the financial benefits that come along with the designation)

They don't even know what they are:

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"The Lumbees have repeatedly sought federal recognition as an Indian tribe, going before Congress in 1899, 1910, 1911, 1913, 1924, 1932 and 1933 with petitions variously claiming to be Croatan, Cherokee, Siouan and Cheraw Indians."

11/3/2009 3:53:00 PM

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"Brett A. Locklear, a Lumbee Indian pretendian"

11/3/2009 3:55:06 PM

it's been an ongoing debate for years. and it's not really a debate between white politicians and the lumbees, it's more of an issue between currently recognized tribes and the lumbees.

[Edited on November 3, 2009 at 3:59 PM. Reason : ..]

11/3/2009 3:58:31 PM

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"This is a goddamn lie because there's no such thing as a Lumbee Indian. They don't exist as a real group, no matter how much whining the non-indians in the area do. "

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"My dog has more indian blood in her than those people."

I assume you all are just being incendiary are not actually this ignorant, because a lot of what you speak couldn't be further from the truth.

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"Most likely they were descendant from half-black, half-white "free coloreds" in the area. Probably some of those people fucked Indians. That doesn't make them their own tribe."

Incorrect. They are most definitely a part of the group known as tri-racial isolates. The history of many "free coloreds" is more conflicting than you evidently understand. Indians were forced to move west, thus those who stayed behind were forced to identify as "colored" or "mulatto" in order to remain in the area. This was fine with those in charge, of course, because all that was necessary was to remove the claim of indianhood from the population as to take control of the lands in the area. so yes, they are a descendant of free people of color, but that in no way makes them primarily the descendants of sects of slaves or half-back half-whites, as you so sharply stated.

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"Even if every last "Lumbee" has Indian blood (dubious), they qualify at most as a "Native American group" in the sense that if you get a Sioux, a Cherokee, and a Seminole together you have a group of Native Americans. They aren't a tribe unto themselves, and aren't entitled to refer to themselves as such (or to receive the financial benefits that come along with the designation)"

I would say every last Lumbee does have Indian blood. Regarding the identification of them as a native american group, rather than a tribe...that is in some ways fair. however, the majority of tribes within the united states would fall under this certification. due to the western movement mentioned before the groups who remained here were fragmented and joined with various tribes to make larger groups. as i am sure you can understand, these large groups and communities was able to provide them with certain securities. this is why the lumbee, and many other tribes in the US have applied for federal recognition under many tribes, because they have connections to them all with varying degrees of evidence.

furthermore, in the us the definition of native american is as follows:

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""American Indian and Alaska Native. A person having origins in any of the original peoples of North and South America (including Central America) and who maintain tribal affiliation or community attachment."[9]"

the lumbee have managed to keep their tribal affiliation, community attachment and rituals more than a large set of cherokee. these people are more native american than any Ashkenazi is jewish.


[Edited on November 3, 2009 at 4:13 PM. Reason : facts]

11/3/2009 4:03:16 PM

So instead of responding with anything you say "You all are wrong." You fixed that.

I allow that a lot of Lumbees are actually Indians (in the sense that they have enough Indian blood to qualify by normal legal and social standards, though those are pretty fucking lax). For the sake of argument I'll allow that all of them are. But they're not a tribe in any meaningful sense of the word. They didn't exist as a group when white people got here, didn't exist when the USA came into being.

The group that exists now is simply a bunch of people from (various) mixed-race backgrounds that live in the same geographic area adopted a name for themselves. They're a social club for not-quite-white people that happens to want free money from the government.

I guess they can call themselves whatever they want. I can call my group of close friends a tribe if I want, even though the only Indians in it are of the dot variety.

[Edited on November 3, 2009 at 4:14 PM. Reason : ]

11/3/2009 4:14:36 PM

I guess Mexicans should be classified as an American Indian group then, since they're the offspring of blacks and indians.

Lumbees will always be pretendians.

11/3/2009 4:31:47 PM

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"offspring of blacks and indians."

There are a lot of different ethnic groups that have been in Mexico for centuries, but the largest group that most people see every day are a mix of european(mostly spanish) and native indians, aka mestizos.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mestizo

11/3/2009 4:40:23 PM

DeltaBeta is clearly lacking in cultural knowledge. good thing that doesn't stop him from forming opinions.

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"They didn't exist as a group when white people got here, didn't exist when the USA came into being"

i can't agree with this in entirety given that their ancestors were all a pat of some tribe in the pre-colombian era. they had no reason to join into one group prior to this time. it was westward expansion and the indian removal act that was the catalyst for their formation. they had to band together in order to still retain their cultural ties and traditions.

11/3/2009 4:48:09 PM

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" He should have drawn the wolf coughing into a blanket and then handing it to him."

Holy fucking winner.

11/3/2009 5:18:35 PM

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"He should have drawn the wolf coughing into a blanket and then handing it to him."

1000 times yes.

11/3/2009 6:23:01 PM

It's a cartoon wolf.

It's not like marko drew a picture of Andrew Jackson up there. He drew an anthropomorphic cartoon wolf kicking someone.

To be offended by this is ridiculous, and unworthy of someone in a high ranking position at NCSU.

11/3/2009 6:33:57 PM

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"i can't agree with this in entirety given that their ancestors were all a pat of some tribe in the pre-colombian era. they had no reason to join into one group prior to this time. it was westward expansion and the indian removal act that was the catalyst for their formation. they had to band together in order to still retain their cultural ties and traditions."

I said they didn't exist "as a group" when we got here, and there doesn't seem to be any grounds to say otherwise. Before Columbus the ancestors of "Lumbees" were in groups, yes, but they were in various groups, not just one.

And I get it, white people were dicks. I feel bad about it, I really do. But the fact that the current "Lumbee" group exists because of shit white people did proves that it did not exist when we got here.

The overriding point is that because they came around later, they aren't entitled to same interactions with the government that pre-Colombian tribes do. If they can get together, form a tribe, and get free shit, then any group of random Native Americans can do the same.

11/3/2009 6:42:25 PM

just let the bitches build a casino and be done with it. jeez!

oh, and to the column. what a douchebag. seems like we have to go through this bullshit every couple of years. last time wasn't it someone bitching about the feather falling?

11/3/2009 7:56:43 PM

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"the only thing offensive about that cartoon was that it suggested nc state might actually win a football game."

11/3/2009 7:57:05 PM

If they wanted a casino, maybe I could live with it. But what they want is money from the gubmint.

11/3/2009 8:03:18 PM

I want the first line of my bio to describe me as a white man.

11/3/2009 8:53:12 PM

Now now, your bio should describe you as a European-American (whether or not your family actually originated in Europe is completely beside the point).

Or perhaps Caucasian-American, although for the life of me I've NEVER met someone whose family actually comes from the Caucasus Region.

11/3/2009 9:02:00 PM

The chance wolves never attacked and killed any native americans seems astronomical. I applaud marko for his devotion to their rich heritage.

11/3/2009 9:13:11 PM

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"Commissioner for the North Carolina Commission of Indian Affairs"

I can't believe he didn't get his little thong in a wad over "Indian". As for Locklear's article: what a completely disgusting display of undeserved self-entitlement.

11/3/2009 9:22:29 PM

^^^I have, they're called Persians and Armenians

11/3/2009 9:30:44 PM

my great-great grandfather was pure Blue Devil

where was this fuck then?


seriously. what was marko supposed to depict? a native american with white skin? Come on, dog.

[Edited on November 3, 2009 at 9:38 PM. Reason : dffds]

11/3/2009 9:36:39 PM

ehehe. locklear

11/3/2009 10:13:43 PM

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"Or perhaps Caucasian-American, although for the life of me I've NEVER met someone whose family actually comes from the Caucasus Region."

You can thank an idiot christian identist for that term.

11/3/2009 10:24:13 PM

damnit. apple's making dentists now? fuck!

11/3/2009 10:24:44 PM

Leave marko alone!

11/3/2009 10:31:37 PM