I disagree with the Saudi way of life, morals, traditions, and esp the justice system 95% of the time, but once in a while they do something I agree with. Perhaps if other countries did the same, children would be safer.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8342005.stm

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"Saudi paedophile to be beheaded A Saudi court has ruled that a man convicted of raping five children will be beheaded and crucified. Muhammad Basheer al-Ramaly, 22, left his youngest victim, aged three, stranded in the desert to die. He was caught when he tried to abduct another boy by offering him a lift home from school in his car. The court of appeal in Riyadh approved the death sentence handed down in June. Beheading is permitted for serious offences in the conservative kingdom. More than 40 people have been executed in such a fashion this year. Reports suggest Ramaly lured children into his car near their school, near the town of Hail, and took them to isolated areas to rape them. Human rights group Amnesty International has criticized the court proceedings saying Ramaly did not have access to a lawyer during his trial and that there are reports he may suffer from a psychological disorder. International rights advocates have long been critical of the death sentences in Saudi Arabia, but the authorities defend the practice as a quick and clean form of execution sanctioned by the Islamic faith. Crucifixion means the body will be attached to wooden beams and displayed in public after the beheading. "

I don't give a shit that he didn't have a lawyer... when you do something that wretched, you deserve the worst punishment, lawyer or no lawyer. [Of course, I am assuming here that there is no argument over the fact that he did do those horrible things] As for the possibility that might have a "psychological disorder"... I don't know. If he had just beat someone up and robbed them, I would say punish him by putting him in a ward for the crazies. But again, if you do something so wretched, you deserve death, even if you have a "psychological disorder". And obviously "psychological disorder" does not mean that he was reatrded or insane... as retards and insane people are not capable of luring kids into cars and then taking them to the desert to rape them, in a systematic fashion, FIVE TIMES. That suggests he has average IQ at least. "Psychological disorder" here just means the new age mumbo jumbo, i.e., he was depressed, or his father beat him as a kid, etc., IMO.

At the same time, part of me wishes that he would be jailed for life so he can spend 40-50 years agonizing over his actions till he dies (or just staring at walls which would surely drive him mad).


Of course, there is this, which is the other 95% I was referring to:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7668617.stm

Click to read, and read it all to see what I mean.

11/6/2009 7:20:54 AM

forum bullseye

11/6/2009 7:24:09 AM

awesome

11/6/2009 7:24:17 AM

You could enslave him as an animal...

11/6/2009 7:25:39 AM

^ I am intrigued... please to continue!

11/6/2009 7:26:04 AM

Slavery and hard labor has long been a punishment for heinous crimes until it itself was considered too heinous. However, execution still exists in various forms.

11/6/2009 7:34:31 AM

why behead him BEFORE the crucifixion?

you can't suffer very well when you're dead, and beheading is pretty painless, i would imagine (at least, i wouldn't think it's painful for more than a second or two)

11/6/2009 7:43:36 AM

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"I don't give a shit that he didn't have a lawyer... when you do something that wretched, you deserve the worst punishment, lawyer or no lawyer. [Of course, I am assuming here that there is no argument over the fact that he did do those horrible things]"

In which case a lawyer would be invaluable.

[Edited on November 6, 2009 at 7:44 AM. Reason : .]

11/6/2009 7:43:50 AM

yes plz.

mayhaps oey-pie is charlie daniels in disguise?

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" I ain't nothing but a simple man Call me a redneck, I reckon that I am But there's things goin' on that make me mad down to the core I have to work like a dog to make ends meet There's crooked politicians and crime in the street And I'm madder than hell and I ain't gonna take it no more We tell our kids to just say no And then some panty waist judge lets a drug dealer go And he slaps him on the wrist and he turns him back out on the town Well, if I had my way with people sellin' dope I'd take a big tall tree and a short piece of rope And hang 'em up high and let 'em swing till the sun goes down Well you know what's wrong with the world today People done gone and put their Bibles away There livin' by law of the jungle not the law of the land Well the good book says it, so I know it's the truth An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth You'd better watch where you go And remember where you've been That's the way I see it I'm a simple man Now, I'm the kind of man that wouldn't harm a mouse But if I catch somebody breakin' in my house I've got a twelve gauge shotgun waitin' on the other side So don't go pushin' me against my will I don't want to have to fight you but I durn sure will So if you don't want trouble that you'd better just pass me on by As far as I'm concerned there ain't no excuse For the raping and the killing and the child abuse And I've got a way to put and end to all that mess You just take those rascals out in the swamp Put them on their knees and tie 'em to a stump And let the rattlers and the bugs and the alligators do the rest "

[Edited on November 6, 2009 at 8:59 AM. Reason : -]

11/6/2009 8:58:32 AM

Well ,my long hair just can't cover up my red neck.

11/6/2009 8:59:22 AM

Another case:

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"Child rapist executed TAIF: A Saudi man was executed on Monday in Taif for kidnapping and raping two schoolboys. Saad Al-Hathli was found guilty of repeatedly raping the two boys at a remote area outside the city. His first victim was kidnapped and taken to the location where he was bound by a rope and repeatedly raped. Al-Hathli then returned to the city and kidnapped another schoolboy and raped him."

11/17/2009 6:11:53 AM

I agree with these executions. The only way to guarantee that these monsters will never be able to harm a child again is by killing them.


I think the crucifixion after death part is silly. But, I don't expect a culture still stuck in the dark ages to understand that execution is not an effective deterrent.

11/17/2009 7:39:16 AM

where is the video of the beheading. i know those fuckers filmed it

11/17/2009 7:46:19 AM

Primitive. Do they not know how to lock someone up? Isn't murdering a child molester giving him/her a free pass from a life of guilt? Backwards

11/17/2009 7:53:43 AM

no. kill everyone

11/17/2009 7:54:34 AM

^^
hahhaa, you really think a child rapist/molester feels GUILT over what he did?

11/17/2009 8:09:50 AM

you tell'em terp, not.

yo kill 'em all & let god give 'em haircuts-

11/17/2009 8:32:34 AM

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"But, I don't expect a culture still stuck in the dark ages to understand that execution is not an effective deterrent."

um yea it is

11/17/2009 8:43:47 AM

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"hahhaa, you really think a child rapist/molester feels GUILT over what he did?"

I really don't know. Do you? Are you willing to bet lives over it? I'm glad our justice system at least got this one right.

11/17/2009 9:22:31 AM

^^no, it isn't.


Saudis have been executing people for crimes for thousands of years.


It didn't deter these guys.


Punishment is always reactionary to the crime. There is no such thing as "behavior deterrence."


Fucked up people have done fucked up shit for thousands of years, and public opinion doesn't have shit to do with it.


[Edited on November 17, 2009 at 9:23 AM. Reason : .]

11/17/2009 9:22:52 AM

I think the point of the crucifixion after death is maybe for display/reminder to others what will happen if you (are caught) do(ing) these horrific acts. I'm totally for it.

Mental disorder or not, it's no excuse. If you have a mental disorder, someone should be helping look after you. If you can't be a productive member of society and you do something destructive, be gone. Society is only as strong as it's weakest link... I wish America was stronger



[Edited on November 17, 2009 at 9:24 AM. Reason : .]

11/17/2009 9:22:58 AM

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"The Saudis do something I agree with it!"

And go figure, it's barbaric!

11/17/2009 9:29:58 AM

That opens up a bigger debate than I'm willing to get into


my point remains that regardless of punishment or the threat thereof, the crime will always exist

11/17/2009 9:30:30 AM

I love threads like this

All of the idiots come out to play folk psychologist and pound their chests, proudly proclaiming what they'd do to the criminal

11/17/2009 9:33:18 AM

what would you do, then?

11/17/2009 9:35:05 AM

your argument is irrelevant kiljadn, how are you to judge how many more horrific crimes would have been committed had they not been deterred? Criminals who just don't care will always be around, but the average joe who gets pissed off to the point of killing another person is most likely going to remember that headless corpse they saw hanging in the street.

i'm not condoning it, but to say fear is not a deterrent is idiotic. Fear has been used for thousands of years to practically control every aspect of life. Fear of death, Fear of pain, Fear of going to Hell, etc.

11/17/2009 9:49:19 AM

LEMME PUT THA FEAR-AH OF GOD IN YA-HAH

LORD JESUS-AHAH, HELP US TODAY-AHAH

11/17/2009 9:51:59 AM

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"what would you do, then?"

gee i dunno probably not behead the person

11/17/2009 9:53:41 AM

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"The results suggest that the recent adoption of lethal injection in place of electrocution (or lethal gas) in many death penalty states might not be a desirable policy option if lawmakers hope to use capital punishment as a "deterrent" to crime. Of course, to the extent that deterrence is not a primary policy option but rather notions of retribution or simple "incapacitation" (in the sense that an executed offender obviously cannot commit future crimes), the movement towards lethal injection as a sole method of execution might be more justifiable. In any event, the results provide empirical support for the hypothesis that methods of punishment that are perceived as more severe will tend to have a greater impact on criminal participation, ceteris paribus."

so it seems the more grusome the method the more effective the deterring effect.

11/17/2009 10:06:27 AM

Vlad the impaler would agree.

11/17/2009 10:11:10 AM

and how!

11/17/2009 10:11:33 AM

Even blind squirrels find an acorn every now and then.

11/17/2009 10:22:54 AM

the trick is making so they never find enough, then they die

or letting them find ones with cyanide in them

11/17/2009 10:27:20 AM

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"execution is not an effective deterrent"

execution is a 100% effective deterrent. after the person is executed, they never break the law again.

If you're an Indian that believes in reincarnation, then maybe I could see your point.

11/17/2009 11:11:48 AM

ICWYDT

11/17/2009 11:17:41 AM

I am McDanger and I am better and more civilized than the rest of y'all because I don't want a child-rapist-murderer to be sentenced to death.

11/17/2009 4:46:18 PM

omg it's like every other thread is about fucking killing. settle down peeps

11/17/2009 4:49:30 PM

hopefully they all kill each other for being different than AMERICA

11/17/2009 4:54:21 PM

You know, something about having children as your victim in any crime makes me almost want the death penalty. I'm against it, but I almost would not mind death of these people. Almost.

11/17/2009 4:54:54 PM

for the most part, i am against the death penalty. there are some cases where it may be warranted though.

11/17/2009 4:56:02 PM

Just noticed....

terrible punctuation in this thread title

11/17/2009 5:01:28 PM

And I noticed it the moment I made the thread. I don't know where that 'it' came from.

11/17/2009 5:03:41 PM

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"your argument is irrelevant kiljadn, how are you to judge how many more horrific crimes would have been committed had they not been deterred? Criminals who just don't care will always be around, but the average joe who gets pissed off to the point of killing another person is most likely going to remember that headless corpse they saw hanging in the street. i'm not condoning it, but to say fear is not a deterrent is idiotic. Fear has been used for thousands of years to practically control every aspect of life. Fear of death, Fear of pain, Fear of going to Hell, etc."

So you're saying that executing someone will prevent a possible child murderer. Fine. Although I'd argue that your average Joe Everyman isn't gonna get mad enough under any circumstances to decide to fuck a kid in his ass and leave him for dead. You may beg to differ, as that is your right, but I'll wager that you won't.


What I'm saying is that there are people who will still rape and murder children, regardless of the potential outcome.


It seems like maybe you need to buy a clue. No matter how many rules exist, there will always be rule-breakers. You are never going to get 100% penetration on some archaic ruleset. Ever.

HENCE:

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"Execution is not an effective deterrent."

11/17/2009 10:00:02 PM

yeah, execution is not much of a deterrant

but I would buy my own ticket to Riyadh if I could personally chop this motherfucker's head off.

11/17/2009 10:27:25 PM

execution only specifically deters people

like the people who get executed

cause they can't do that shit again

but incarceration can also specifically deter

neither one really generally deter, cause people are stupid

11/17/2009 10:32:12 PM

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""Execution is not an effective deterrent.""

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"execution is a 100% effective deterrent. after the person is executed, they never break the law again."

11/17/2009 10:39:44 PM

There's something to be said for deterring crime via punishment...but that could probably be done about as well via incarceration.

No, I don't want to chop his head off to deter anyone. I want to chop his head off because he's a sick fuck who deserves it.

That, and that's the only 100% surefire way that he'll never do it again.

11/17/2009 10:40:36 PM

Wait, they got child rape over there?

I thought they were God-fearing countries with theocracies and shit.

11/17/2009 10:42:37 PM

well yea but priests rape little boys here

i don't think god has much to do with it

11/17/2009 10:46:48 PM

Some of you seem to be confusing the concepts of deterrence and incapacitation.

11/17/2009 11:47:23 PM