same thread as the one I made for the NBA

who were the best players? who was the best team? who was the best coach?

(first team listed first)

QB- Peyton Manning, Tom Brady
RB- LaDainian Tomlinson, Priest Holmes
FB- Lorenzo Neal, Tony Richardson
WR- Terrel Owens, Randy Moss
WR- Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne
TE- Tony Gonzalez, Antonio Gates
Tackle- Jonathan Ogden, Orlando Pace
Tackle- Walter Jones, Willie Roaf
Guard- Steve Hutchinson, Alan Faneca
Guard- Will Shields, Larry Allen
Center- Kevin Mawae, Jeff Saturday

DE- Dwight Freeney, Julius Peppers
DE- Michael Strahan, Jason Taylor
DT- Albert Haynesworth, Kris Jenkins
DT- Kevin Williams, Casey Hampton
MLB- Ray Lewis, Zack Thomas, James Farrior
OLB- Derrick Brooks, DeMarcus Ware, Julian Peterson, Joey Porter
CB- Champ Baily, Ty Law
CB- Nnamdi Asomugha, Charles Woodson
S- Ed Reed, Brian Dawkins
S- Troy Polamalu, Darren Sharper

K- David Akers, Adam Vinatieri
P- Shane Lechler, Mike Scifres
KR- Devin Hester, Dante Hall
PR- Devin Hester, Troy Brown
SP- Josh Cribbs, Larry Izzo

Coach- Tony Dungy

Team- New England Patriots

Overall Player of the Decade- Peyton Manning

[Edited on November 29, 2009 at 4:22 PM. Reason : ...]

11/29/2009 4:18:17 PM

I'd probably give Shaun Alexander the nod for that 2nd string RB over Priest Holmes.

11/29/2009 6:48:10 PM

can i noscript this yet?

11/29/2009 6:54:22 PM

How does Dungy get the nod over Belichick as best coach? 3 SB wins >>>>>> 1 SB win

11/29/2009 7:54:12 PM

I don't like the Pats very much but you'd be retarded to say that Bill Belicheck isn't the best coach of our life time.

Also, Priest Holmes had 3 good years. That's it. Shaun Alexander >>>>>>>>>>> Priest Holmes

11/29/2009 7:59:12 PM

WR- Steve Smith

11/29/2009 8:00:42 PM

I guess LT has been the most consistent of the decade but I'd like to put an RB up there that accomplished something besides statistics

11/29/2009 8:21:15 PM

Zack Thomas over Brian Urlacher???? Thomas is greatly overrated IMO.

11/29/2009 8:27:16 PM

Yeah you overlooked Brian Urlacher, and I'd put in Warren Sapp at DT

11/29/2009 8:34:02 PM

^^^as a RB he cant do much else but get the ball and run...he cant really help how much he has and hasnt won

[Edited on November 29, 2009 at 8:36 PM. Reason : although id make a guess that he passed for more TDs than any other rb in the 2000's]

11/29/2009 8:35:44 PM

no love for Booger McFarland?

11/29/2009 8:41:45 PM

I would amend your list with:

Shawn Alexander (and I'd even think about Westbrook and Faulk) over Priest Homes
Mike Alstott over Tony Richardson
Randy Moss starts over TO
Someone else, maybe Rice or Kearse over Jason Taylor.
Not sure how you can put Ware over Merriman. Not that Merriman necessarily deserves it, but he was more dominant.
Jamal Williams at Nose Tackle.
Ty Law is very overrated.

11/29/2009 8:41:57 PM

jamarcus russell *snicker*

11/29/2009 8:46:04 PM

The only true crimes in this list are no Marshal Faulk and no Urlacher

11/29/2009 8:53:09 PM

marshall faulk peaked in '00, and was basically done by '03

11/29/2009 9:19:00 PM

I agree with Dungy over Belichick because Belichick is a fucking CHEAT.

11/29/2009 11:55:26 PM

I don't see how you're putting Asomugha ahead of Shawn Springs or Antoine Winfield

11/30/2009 12:01:25 AM

What are you guys basing Shaun Alexander over Priest Holmes on? Holmes was clearly the better RB... he had a few less seasons than Shaun due to some freak injuries but he was a beast. Alexander played behind a dominant line and hit the wall really hard late in his career.

Zack Thomas probably doesn't belong... Kris Jenkins was dominant but only for a season or two before injuries ruined him

11/30/2009 12:06:55 AM

This thread is garbage. If you evaluating performance this season Rivers or Brees easily beats out Brady. If considering
historically than how the hell can you leave out Farve for Manning or Brady.

Same thing for RB. This season LT is still a great athlete but no way one of the top 2 RB's in the league. His age has
definitly caught up to him. WR you are really going to put TO and Reggie Wayne over Steve Smith??? Steve Smith just has
the inconvience of playing under a shitty QB. TO while busting with raw talent; provides a negative impact to team performance
due to extraneous variables. TO may have some extraordinary catches but he tends to drag down the morale of the team around him.

For DE I think Peppers has stepped it up but the first few games of the season he definitly did not earn him a top 4 spot.

Team- NE Pats???? lol what a joke.

Quote :

"Peyton Manning "

I can potentially honor this.

Quote :

" that Bill Belicheck isn't the best coach of our life time."

You mean the best CHEATER of our lifetime.
What about Bill Cowher's??

11/30/2009 9:44:45 AM

someone doesn't get what "best of the aughts" means...

11/30/2009 10:30:00 AM

there goes HUR, DURRING up a thread again

11/30/2009 10:34:07 AM

MY FIRST TEAM:

QB: Tom Brady
RB: LT
FB: Lorenzo Neal
WR: TO
WR: Marvin Harrison
TE: Tony Gonzalez
T: Jonathon Ogden
T: Walter Jones
G: Allen Faneca
G: Steve Hutchinson
C: Matt Birk

DE: Jason Taylor
DE: Mike Strahan
DT: La'Roi Glover
DT: Kevin Williams
MLB: Ray Lewis
OLB: Derrick Brooks
OLB: Shawne Merriman
CB: Champ Bailey
CB: Ty Law
FS: Ed Reed
SS: John Lynch

K: Adam Vinatieri
P: Shane Lechler

KR: Daunte Hall
PR: Daunte Hall

Coach: BB

MY SECOND TEAM:

QB: Peyton Manning
RB: Marshall Faulk
FB: Mike Alstott
WR: Randy Moss
WR: Torry Holt
TE: Antonio Gates
T: Orlando Pace
T: Willie Roaf
G: Will Shields
G: Larry Allen
C: Kevin Mawae

DE: Richard Seymour
DE: Simeon Rice
DT: Kris Jenkins
DT: Warren Sapp
MLB: Brian Urlacher
OLB: Joey Porter
OLB: Julian Peterson
CB: Ronde Barber
CB: Chris McAlister
FS: Brian Dawkins
SS: Troy Polamalu

K: David Akers
P: Jeff Feagles

KR: Devin Hester
PR: Devin Hester

Coach: Dungy



I doubt anyone agrees with some of the picks, but if it was close I went with more Pro Bowls and # of years played this decade.

[Edited on November 30, 2009 at 12:00 PM. Reason : damn columns ]

[Edited on November 30, 2009 at 12:00 PM. Reason : asdf]

11/30/2009 11:51:30 AM

I think RIBS just won this thread

11/30/2009 12:12:56 PM

I can't agree with any list that doesn't have Peyton Manning as the quarterback.

11/30/2009 1:03:02 PM

It really comes down to rings....

11/30/2009 3:18:54 PM

They will be seen as a wash unless Manning gets another ring. Though Manning is slightly better.

11/30/2009 3:59:10 PM

Fuck rings Manning does more with less and is probably the best QB of all time. Marino didn't win a ring at all but he was way better than Terry Bradshaw or Roethlisberger. If that's the case Ben is better than Peyton because he has two rings even though he didn't even play good in the first one.

7 straight seasons of 11+ wins that's fucking absurd.

11/30/2009 4:07:52 PM

that isn't the point

this is the all decade team

Brady has played in 4 Superbowls and won 3 since 2001

No one is saying Brady is better, he just gets the nod due to tangible accomplishments.

11/30/2009 4:29:48 PM

Which is why Belicheat deserves the coach award over Dungy. I would've loved to have seen Dungy lead the Colts to an 11-5 season if Peyton had torn his ACL and MCL in the opening game of the year.

11/30/2009 4:49:27 PM

The fact that the Colts are 11-0 this year without Dungy speaks volumes to how little the coach matters as long as Peyton is running the ship

IMO, if you replace Belichick and Dungy with a league average coach, the Pats fall off a lot further

Thus making Belichick the more valuable coach

11/30/2009 4:51:52 PM

Quote :

"Fuck rings Manning does more with less and is probably the best QB of all time."

Wait, what? I'm sorry but Wayne, Harrison and Clark are three of the most skilled players at their respective positions.

Before Moss, Brady didn't exactly have Jerry Rice to throw to. You can certainly argue Brady and Manning are on even footing at the least...

And I'd certainly take James and then Addai in his prime over the army that Brady has handed the ball of to over his career.

[Edited on November 30, 2009 at 5:05 PM. Reason : x]

11/30/2009 5:04:15 PM

Quote :

"The fact that the Colts are 11-0 this year without Dungy speaks volumes to how little the coach matters as long as Peyton is running the ship"

One could also argue that Dungy did such a good job setting up his organization that he could hand the keys over to a guy like Caldwell and have him succeed.

11/30/2009 5:09:08 PM

One could, but Dungy was not the GM, and I think more credit goes to Bill Polian for having the foundation in place


But lets be honest...Matt Millen and Tom Cable could look like geniuses if Peyton Manning was running their teams

11/30/2009 5:13:24 PM

you right

I was just bringing it up for the sake of argument

11/30/2009 5:18:38 PM

TO doesn't deserve to be on any top list other than top team breakers. His mouth did more than his stats show. Randy Moss is the receiver of the decade without a doubt. Hell, I'd put Steve Smith over TO any day of the week.

Quote :

"WR- Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne"

I feel that this season Manning is proving how little it matters who plays WR for the Colts. It almost discredits the other guys who have caught for him.

[Edited on November 30, 2009 at 5:49 PM. Reason : -]

11/30/2009 5:47:36 PM

I dont see why merriman is up there. Total, he had about 2 seasons worth of roided up good play. Hasn't been remarkable since.

11/30/2009 6:45:52 PM

^^ I told people that shit years ago on here and all I got was "Manning is only good because of his receivers!"

eat it bitches

Quote :

"Wait, what? I'm sorry but Wayne, Harrison and Clark are three of the most skilled players at their respective positions."

and all those players that were with Indy went to shit as soon as they left, Pollard, James, Stokley, and Harrison didnt even get picked up and Manning is putting up maybe even better numbers with Wayne and Garcon and Collie and a shit running game then he did with them.

[Edited on November 30, 2009 at 7:02 PM. Reason : d]

11/30/2009 6:57:55 PM

Harrison was a legit elite possession receiver. Manning made him into a household name.

Wayne is a legit #1 WR only because of the work he's put in and because Manning makes it worth his while to practice and learn the game. To say it's the talent around him is misleading, no one works harder or demands more than Manning does from the QB position.

The rest of the guys are all forgettable and would be total unknowns in most systems.

Manning is a better QB than Brady. Brady wasn't even a top QB for the first couple of years of the decade. He got a lot better mid decade for sure but he's been behind stellar o-lines, had multiple weapons (like Manning), and had some stacked defenses while he was growing into an elite QB. He's a great QB, but he's not Manning and probably never will be...

11/30/2009 7:07:21 PM

I agree totally. When you are talking about just the QB position (not how good their defense happen to be, not coaching, not how many Super Bowl rings their TEAM won etc) I dont think anyone playing now can touch Manning

11/30/2009 7:12:25 PM

Quote :

"TO doesn't deserve to be on any top list other than top team breakers. His mouth did more than his stats show. Randy Moss is the receiver of the decade without a doubt. Hell, I'd put Steve Smith over TO any day of the week."

TO has the edge in first-team All-Pro selections, with just one fewer than Moss, Holt, and Harrison combined. He also has more 1,000-yard seasons and 10 TD seasons than the other three, and he ranked first in touchdown catches coming into this season. If it wasn't for the '05 Eagles debacle, he would be the only receiver to crack 1000 yards every year this decade (coming into '09).

I don't like TO either, but you got the give the man credit where it is deserved.

11/30/2009 7:45:42 PM

Quote :

"What are you guys basing Shaun Alexander over Priest Holmes on? Holmes was clearly the better RB... he had a few less seasons than Shaun due to some freak injuries but he was a beast. Alexander played behind a dominant line and hit the wall really hard late in his career."

Alexander was more of a complete back - he could not only bulldoze folks, but he had great hands and could catch shit coming out of the backfield and made some massive plays that way. (ex: his 5 TD first half performance in 2002 on MNF vs the Vikings). His line was also worse than the KC OL, as evidenced by Larry Johnson's ability to put up nearly the same numbers Priest had the previous years once he went out hurt.


and to say Alexander hit a wall late in his career - well, that's a bit unfair, because every single RB hits that same wall. Look at Faulk, LT, Emmitt Smith, Jerome Bettis.... I mean, the list goes on and on.

11/30/2009 7:48:34 PM

Quote :

"I told people that shit years ago on here and all I got was "Manning is only good because of his receivers!" "

Lots of peoples opinions of Manning changed when he finally won the big one

11/30/2009 8:57:35 PM

shouldnt we wait until this year and next year's nfl season finish before finalizing a team of the decade?

11/30/2009 10:44:12 PM

No. This way we can all make our selections and then call other people morons when their players bust at the end of the season.

11/30/2009 10:47:48 PM

^^^^i think you're just making things up. holmes was a much more effective receiver than alexander. in holmes' 3 good seasons he had 614, 672, and 690 yards receiving. in alexander's 5 good seasons he had 343, 460, 295, 170, and 78 (with 1880 rushing that year) yards through the air.

i'm not arguing with taking alexander over holmes...just the reasoning about catching the ball out of the backfield.

[Edited on December 1, 2009 at 6:54 AM. Reason : ]

12/1/2009 6:53:37 AM

^ Exactly, I can't beleive anyone would argue against Priest as a receiver? If Priest wasn't a dominant back then who the fuck was Jim Brown and Ernest Dickerson?

That guy was WAY more explosive than Alexander.

Alexander probably didn't have 1,000 yards after contact his entire career. He was a good back, definitely a legit pro bowler but my kids will never know his name.

Priest Holmes in his prime was one of the best RB's the game has ever seen. He didn't have a ton of longevity but he was dynamic when he was healthy. Hell, I think he had a 5 TD game himself in Baltimore.

ALexander was a get 5 yards and fall down guy. Priest was a take a screen pass and turn it into a 60 yard TD type of back. In fact, thats how his career got ended early.

12/2/2009 6:41:41 PM

If your career ends on that sort of play then you can't exactly call it your claim to fame, can you?


I doubt your kids will know who Priest Holmes is, either.

12/2/2009 6:43:48 PM

who is Ernest Dickerson?

12/2/2009 6:46:00 PM

biakabutuka

[Edited on December 2, 2009 at 6:52 PM. Reason : /thread]

12/2/2009 6:52:36 PM

set em up

12/2/2009 7:05:20 PM