Just listen to his rhetoric.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsT8FaZnzdE

2/6/2010 10:27:28 PM

not to mention sexist

2/6/2010 10:29:19 PM

BUT BLACK PEOPLE CAN'T BE RACIST. ONLY WHITE PEOPLE CAN.

2/8/2010 5:07:50 PM

No one says that.

2/8/2010 5:41:13 PM

I'd say the rap industry is a great example of institutional racism. Sure, there are a few white rappers, but the majority of rappers are black, therefore all rappers are racist, anyone that disagrees is racist, and anyone that doesn't support specific government policies that would be applied differently to each race is racist.

[Edited on February 8, 2010 at 5:55 PM. Reason : ]

2/8/2010 5:55:01 PM

and hes a terrorist

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"blow up like the world trade"

2/8/2010 6:00:42 PM

^^ I don't think you understand what "institutional racism" is.

2/8/2010 8:18:35 PM

it's an institution that is racist, is his "point." Seems like he understands it pretty fucking well. There are institutions other than the gov't, you know

2/9/2010 10:18:46 AM

Institutional racism, according to Wikipedia, applies to private corporations as well.

2/9/2010 10:32:00 AM

this entire thread reeks of douchery.

2/9/2010 11:12:12 AM

^ It contains both God and mambagrl posts. What did you expect?

2/9/2010 11:38:33 AM

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"it's an institution that is racist, is his "point." Seems like he understands it pretty fucking well. There are institutions other than the gov't, you know"

Please explain to me how the rap industry is institutionally racist. If anything, the rap producers are actively looking for the next good "minority" (in this case, non-Black) rapper, especially after the success of someone like Eminem.

To claim institutional racism there would have to be systems in place that effectively keep the White man down. Producers or record companies who, for example, only give record contracts to Blacks instead of Whites.

The hilarious irony here is that these record companies are run by rich White people.

2/9/2010 12:36:13 PM

you should direct that question to the person who posited that the industry was racist, not me

2/9/2010 6:32:37 PM

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"If anything, the rap producers are actively looking for the next good "minority" (in this case, non-Black) rapper, especially after the success of someone like Eminem."

I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this one

The labels are looking for sales...if a non-Black guy can get them that, like Eminem, then yeah I agree

But they aren't looking for the next 'good' anything...oversimplified horseshit is what sells nowadays, and thats what they market...Eminem is the outlier in what record labels look for...if they really looked for 'good' rappers, the underground and mainstream would damn near be reversed...they are looking for what sells...Britney Spears is not a talented singer or song writer but she sells records (or used to at least)

I do agree about the irony of most of the record companies being run by rich white people...its like Ras Kass said:

Record industry rules number 1, 2 and 3: Jews run it, niggas run around in it, believe me

As far as the industry institutionalizing racism, thats an interesting topic

Back in the day hip hop was about partying, dancing, having a good time...from Kool Herc in the 70s in the Bronx and beyond...you also had an opposite of institutional racism with stuff like GMF and the F5 actually giving a social commentary on wax...informing outsiders of how bad things were in the inner cities...and you had groups like De La Soul and Queen Latifiah who promoted unity (pun intended) as opposed to division and strife

Then the industry figured, hey fuck this positive shit, lets start signing "gangster rappers" and that way we can sell records and make money, while pseudo-subliminally promoting black on black violence, high risk (dead/jail) lifestyles, and lets glorify people who would rather take a bullet than say "sorry" for stepping on somebody's shoes

Its interesting to see the (de?)evolution of hip hop music and its a complex metric, but I think by and large hip hop has a more positive effect on racism than a negative one...yeah some of the songs and groups and artists advocate racism and are racist with some of their lyrics and opinions...but if you go to a hip hop show, you can really get a pretty good mesh of different races, cultures, and backgrounds, all coming together with music


[Edited on February 9, 2010 at 6:57 PM. Reason : words]

2/9/2010 6:47:22 PM

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"Please explain to me how the rap industry is institutionally racist. If anything, the rap producers are actively looking for the next good "minority" (in this case, non-Black) rapper, especially after the success of someone like Eminem."

There's one popular white rapper and hundreds of popular black rappers. If this was anything but the rap/hip hop music industry, you'd be screaming institutional racism. If it were some sort of normal corporate environment that seemed to have a low representation of minorities, you would assume that the personnel managers were racist. The real issue is that minorities are more likely to come from low income families, which make them less likely to become qualified for normal "corporate" positions.

There may be cases where the hiring staff of a company is legitimately racist, but I don't think it's very widespread at this point. The point here is that institutional racism is not the problem; the problem is that members of a lower socioeconomic class are less likely to become high wage earners, regardless of their skin color.

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"To claim institutional racism there would have to be systems in place that effectively keep the White man down. Producers or record companies who, for example, only give record contracts to Blacks instead of Whites."

What is the system in place that effectively keeps the "Black man" down? Is the "system" equivalent to "some people being racist"?

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"The hilarious irony here is that these record companies are run by rich White people."

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"Record industry rules number 1, 2 and 3: Jews run it, niggas run around in it, believe me"

There's nothing keeping a minority from starting and running their own record label. I'm sure many have done just that and been successful at it.

2/9/2010 7:04:28 PM

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"There's nothing keeping a minority from starting and running their own record label. I'm sure many have done just that and been successful at it."

Russell Simmons (and he did it in the 1980s), The RZA (from Wu-Tang), Master P, Sean Puffy/P Diddy Combs, Baby / The #1 Stunna from Cash Money Records

Each of these guys is worth hundreds of millions of dollars for that very reason...they started their own companies...they learned the ins and outs of distribution, marketing, pressing albums, etc

Thats actually the key to really getting big money...a new artist is going to get roughly 10-18 points (percentage points) of a record's sales...18 points is the max...over 50% of the money is going to the label...so if a record sells for $15, the rapper is getting a dollar and change...the record company is getting $8 or more

The really entrepreneurial cats get an initial record deal, realize its not all its cracked up to be when they have to go platinum to make a million bucks before taxes, so once their deal is up, they often start their own label

take a RZA solo album for example...he gets his 18 points for rapping...he gets another 10 points or so for making the beat...and another 50+ for owning the distributing label

Instead of selling a million copies of the album and making roughly a million bucks like an average rapper would, he is making $12 million, give or take

2/9/2010 7:16:16 PM

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"There's one popular white rapper and hundreds of popular black rappers. If this was anything but the rap/hip hop music industry, you'd be screaming institutional racism. "

Really? asher roth? paul wall? There are and have always been several white rappers and some say they have more sucess BECAUSE they are white. Have you ever stopped to think that the reason for lack of white rappers is simply the lack of white interest in rapping? Is the NBA and NFL examples of institutionalized racism as well?

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" The point here is that institutional racism is not the problem; the problem is that members of a lower socioeconomic class are less likely to become high wage earners, regardless of their skin color. "

if you make all the black people poor and then you don't allow poor people that is indirect institutionalized racism. IF I say people from a certain part of town can't work here and o it just so happens most of the peole in that part of town are black, does it make it non-racist?

2/9/2010 7:46:13 PM

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".Have you ever stopped to think that the reason for lack of white rappers is simply the lack of white interest in rapping?"

[no]

White suburban kids buy more hip hop albums / songs than anybody else nowadays...the lack of mainstream white rappers probably has to do with:

- lack of perceived street cred amongst other rappers / urban listeners, ie record company doesnt expect sales
- less white people 'lived' the street / poor upbringing / hip hop roots lifestyle to get into it...they often listen to music as a sort of escape from their upbringing...the ones who are poor are probably into country music
- white on white racism...whites degrading other whites for wearing baggy jeans, stuff like that, peer pressure to fit in with other whites
- Vanilla Ice < Everlast < Eminem...thats kinda the three biggest mainstream white rappers...steady skill advancement chronologically...stepping that far past eminem's skill is tough for anybody black or white

the street cred element is the reason lots of wack white dudes with no skills dont get put on...if you're black and on some bullshit but its trendy bullshit, its all good...the majority of people's flows are garbage, any race...but if you have street cred you can get your garbage on the radio

somebody like paul wall would be in the 'less white people lived the street' category...one of the exceptions

2/9/2010 7:54:05 PM

asher roth is one of the top mcs out htere and fits into neither of the categories you mentioned.

2/9/2010 8:22:19 PM

A quick google search indicates his only studio album has sold less than 180,000 units...anybody can rap and get a deal, but he didn't blow up into the mainstream

hence my comment earlier about if the record companies were actually going after good talent, the mainstream and underground would be nearly opposite

Ill Bill from Non Phixion and RA the Rugged Man are two very talented white rappers...how about Evidence...but they're not making the big time music money like the cats who go multi platinum

2/9/2010 8:25:45 PM

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"- less white people 'lived' the street / poor upbringing / hip hop roots lifestyle to get into it...they often listen to music as a sort of escape from their upbringing...the ones who are poor are probably into country music "

This is changing, as more black rappers are increasingly not from impoverished backgrounds, or they don’t rap about issues related to inner-city life or poverty.

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"- lack of perceived street cred amongst other rappers / urban listeners, ie record company doesnt expect sales "

This is also changing. “gangsta rap” is much less popular these days relative to club rap or other more “populist” hip-hop music (kanye west, t-pain, TI— to an extent, lupe fiasco, jay-z, etc…).

2/9/2010 8:25:46 PM

I agree completely with both of those points...its definitely changing

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"or they don’t rap about issues related to inner-city life or poverty."

sadly there have always been people who rhymed about a diverse range of topics, but the radio/mtv/bet/clubs like to dumb it down...although i have no problem with clubs dumbing it down, because the ladies like to dance

and when I say gangsta rap, I don't just mean NWA and stuff, I just mean the hustler/drug dealer who makes it big thing...cats like Jay Z still tacitly, hell implicitly, advocate doing illegal and dangerous shit to come up...but yeah there is lots of good stuff out there and its changing, but its always changing

[Edited on February 9, 2010 at 8:30 PM. Reason : .]

2/9/2010 8:28:00 PM

Allow Barack Obama to read my posts ITT from the teleprompter to George Bush

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/6091593

2/9/2010 8:54:30 PM