God All American 28747 Posts user info edit post |
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stefan-sirucek/did-palin-use-crib-notes_b_452458.html
Owned. Get out. 2/7/2010 12:41:28 PM |
moron All American 34142 Posts user info edit post |
What does it say on her hand?
I can’t imagine those few words are actually notes of any kind…
It looks like it says “Energy budget cut \ tax\ lift Americas spirit”
[Edited on February 7, 2010 at 12:49 PM. Reason : maybe not] 2/7/2010 12:45:56 PM |
skokiaan All American 26447 Posts user info edit post |
breath 2/7/2010 12:47:10 PM |
A Tanzarian drip drip boom 10995 Posts user info edit post |
I think you mean "breathe". 2/7/2010 1:06:54 PM |
moron All American 34142 Posts user info edit post |
pwnt 2/7/2010 1:14:43 PM |
BridgetSPK #1 Sir Purr Fan 31378 Posts user info edit post |
Energy
Budget Tax Cuts
Lift American Spirit
And it's really, really pathetic.
She was using those "notes" to answer this question: "What are the top three things that have got to be done?"
If you can't identify your basic goals without glancing at your hand, you have failed. And it's not like she was trying to be concise and organized and making sure she mentioned them in a certain order or something. She was just going on like, "Oh shit, I forgot what I'm supposed to pander to these losers with. Lemme keep rambling and trying to sound smart until I can subtly look at my palm." 2/7/2010 1:29:35 PM |
moron All American 34142 Posts user info edit post |
It’s amazing to me that anyone can think Palin is remotely qualified to be the leader of a national movement.
It seems to me that her only goal is to be able to say “I told ya’ so” to people who in the past have doubted her. She has a HUGE chip on her shoulder I think.
Come to think of it, she is exactly like Peggy Hill from King of the Hill... 2/7/2010 1:33:28 PM |
BridgetSPK #1 Sir Purr Fan 31378 Posts user info edit post |
^She's sensitive, needy, petty, vindictive, flighty, emotional, irrational, lazy, greedy...
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2009/08/sarah-palin200908
It's as if she actively tries to embody the worst of the stereotypes we associate with women to their pathological extremes. 2/7/2010 1:55:12 PM |
Kris All American 36908 Posts user info edit post |
you forgot ditzy and manipulative 2/7/2010 4:11:22 PM |
marko Tom Joad 72828 Posts user info edit post |
BUT SHE'S HOT 2/7/2010 4:39:08 PM |
MattJM321 All American 4003 Posts user info edit post |
OH NO IM DEVESTATED!
eh who cares it's palin 2/7/2010 7:34:33 PM |
EarthDogg All American 3989 Posts user info edit post |
Listen... Liberals whistling past the grave-yard. 2/7/2010 10:16:04 PM |
JCASHFAN All American 13916 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "It’s amazing to me that anyone can think Palin is remotely qualified to be the leader of a national movement." |
Quote : | "Come to think of it, she is exactly like Peggy Hill from King of the Hill..." | woah, woah, woah, woah . . . no need to besmirch the name of Peggy Hill here.
That being said, "OMG Palin writes on her hand" is not a valid defense of the President or his policies. (I'm not saying that there may or may not be valid defenses, but this is a hooksaw-esque "gotcha on a technicality" thread.) ]2/7/2010 10:33:36 PM |
m52ncsu Suspended 1606 Posts user info edit post |
it is a perfectly adequate rebuttal to the people who criticize obama for using a teleprompter 2/7/2010 10:55:34 PM |
sarijoul All American 14208 Posts user info edit post |
especially when he's proven time and time again that he can get by just fine (arguably better) without one 2/7/2010 11:00:16 PM |
lafta All American 14880 Posts user info edit post |
Dont laugh at palin, this is how many people get through high school 2/7/2010 11:44:24 PM |
moron All American 34142 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "especially when he's proven time and time again that he can get by just fine (arguably better) without one " |
Exactly.
They act like Obama invented the teleprompter or something.
This is solely due to Fox News/Limbaugh writing their narrative, as Stewart would say.
Also
Quote : | "It's a Wasilla Teleprompter." |
[Edited on February 7, 2010 at 11:51 PM. Reason : ]2/7/2010 11:47:10 PM |
MattJM321 All American 4003 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "it is a perfectly adequate rebuttal to the people who criticize obama for using a teleprompter" |
That is a very weak argument. Have you ever spoke in front of large groups without a script? I'm Ron Burgundy?2/8/2010 6:20:17 AM |
sarijoul All American 14208 Posts user info edit post |
yes 2/8/2010 6:47:00 AM |
m52ncsu Suspended 1606 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "That is a very weak argument. Have you ever spoke in front of large groups without a script? I'm Ron Burgundy?
" |
try to follow my logic here, its not rocket surgery -i am not saying there is a problem with using a teleprompter -obama has received a lot of criticism for using one, which is retarded and i don't think i need to explain why -many of these critics support sarah palin et al -sarah palin wrote notes on her hand telling us that she knew the softball question in advance but still needed notes -this is a perfectly adequate response to the "teleprompter president" critics2/8/2010 8:48:56 AM |
Lumex All American 3666 Posts user info edit post |
Moron, that is NOT fair to Peggy. 2/8/2010 9:07:32 AM |
JCASHFAN All American 13916 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "it is a perfectly adequate rebuttal to the people who criticize obama for using a teleprompter" | The asinine presumption here is that every person who criticizes Obama for the teleprompter or anything else must, therefore, be a Sarah Palin supporter.
I find this to be a perfectly valid criticism of Sarah Palin, it has absolutely no bearing on my opinion of the President.2/8/2010 9:29:42 AM |
m52ncsu Suspended 1606 Posts user info edit post |
well to you the easy rebuttal is obama at his GOP Q&A with no teleprompter. if you haven't watched it you should.
the fact is that every president since teleprompters were invented has used teleprompters
(because this thread is to "teleprompter haters" not to "obama haters." reading comprehension)
[Edited on February 8, 2010 at 9:41 AM. Reason : ,] 2/8/2010 9:40:16 AM |
timswar All American 41050 Posts user info edit post |
I sincerely hope that the anti-teleprompter narrative of Fox News can keep it's footing into the next election.
I say that, because I would guess that one reason she used her hand instead of a teleprompter is because of that very narrative.
Oh how I hope that 2012 shows a variety of GOP candidates desperately trying to use high school cheating techniques just to have their talking points handy during speeches, while Obama simply reads the speech written for the occasion off a teleprompter and sounds far more coherent.
Granted, I don't think it'd have an impact on the vast majority of people's opinions. Anyone who makes a fuss over a teleprompter has already made up their mind anyway. Still, it would make for some very amusing television, especially during the primaries as a state full of GOP candidates scramble to read the back of their hands, bottom of their hats, underneath their ties, and whatever other location they can hide notes.
[Edited on February 8, 2010 at 10:03 AM. Reason : Or they could, I dunno, GET SOME DAMNED NOTE CARDS AND USE THEM LIKE EVERYONE ELSE!] 2/8/2010 9:54:14 AM |
Stimwalt All American 15292 Posts user info edit post |
Epic fail.
Then again, is this really that surprising coming from Moose Stew Sarah? 2/8/2010 10:13:53 AM |
GGMon All American 6462 Posts user info edit post |
I will give your President the same respect you gave mine. 2/8/2010 10:19:08 AM |
Stimwalt All American 15292 Posts user info edit post |
How very 'Old Testament' of you.
Just to be clear, I claim no Party or President, I'm registered Unaffiliated.
I pick the lesser evil.
[Edited on February 8, 2010 at 10:28 AM. Reason : -] 2/8/2010 10:26:37 AM |
JCASHFAN All American 13916 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "well to you the easy rebuttal is obama at his GOP Q&A with no teleprompter." | agreed.
Quote : | "because this thread is to "teleprompter haters" not to "obama haters." reading comprehension" | except that the appropriate comprehension in the context of the debate on TSB has been referring to Obama's over-use (real or imagined) of teleprompters. There hasn't been an extended debate between two camps mutually opposed to the concept of electronic vs. paper aids to speech giving.2/8/2010 12:38:57 PM |
marko Tom Joad 72828 Posts user info edit post |
imagine if we had entire television channels dedicated to people reading off of teleprompters 2/8/2010 12:54:16 PM |
BobbyDigital Thots and Prayers 41777 Posts user info edit post |
that is crazy talk, marko! 2/8/2010 1:05:29 PM |
JCASHFAN All American 13916 Posts user info edit post |
Tonight, on T-SPAN . . . 2/8/2010 1:56:50 PM |
jbtilley All American 12797 Posts user info edit post |
2/8/2010 2:35:27 PM |
ENDContra All American 5160 Posts user info edit post |
Im by no means a Palin apologist, but how do you compare a few words scribbled on a hand to an entire speech in a teleprompter? 2/8/2010 2:51:41 PM |
Lumex All American 3666 Posts user info edit post |
She wasn't making a speech, she was answering questions. She uses a teleprompter for speeches. I doubt Obama has written notes on his hand for answering questions.
That said, I don't think the hand-notes are a big deal. Just clumsy of her to show them. 2/8/2010 3:31:12 PM |
Boone All American 5237 Posts user info edit post |
I wouldn't think it's a big deal under normal circumstances. I write on my hand all the time ("eggs, bread, cheese," or "room 301 @3:30").
But have you seen the video? She stumbles during the questions, then looks down at those three points for an answer. They were literally crib notes.
The part that's so humorous is that it was only six words. She had the need to write down six words in order to remember them. Six items.
Quote : | "That is a very weak argument. Have you ever spoke in front of large groups without a script? I'm Ron Burgundy?" |
I've never spoken to 600 people, but I speak to ~120 people now and then, and I speak to 32 people every day. If you know what you're talking about, it's easier without the script.
A prompt now-and-then (powerpoint slide or notecard bullet) helps you stay on track if it's a long speech, but the interviewer's questions served that role.2/8/2010 3:50:31 PM |
ssjamind All American 30102 Posts user info edit post |
one surefire way to gurantee Obama a second term, is have Palin run on any ticket whatsoever.
if she goes on the Repub ticket, almost every moderate and independent voter will vote Dem, as we did the first time around. if she goes on soome kooky far right ticket, she will dilute the right wing vote.
matter of fact, the longer she stays in the public eye, the more the centrist vote automatically looks to the left. part of it is visceral reaction, part of it is empirical evidence from the last time we had a mentally challenged person in office. 2/8/2010 4:39:01 PM |
JCASHFAN All American 13916 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "if she goes on the Repub ticket, almost every moderate and independent voter will vote Dem" | doubtful. What they will do is stay home, which has a similar effect.2/8/2010 4:41:57 PM |
ssjamind All American 30102 Posts user info edit post |
i don't know. just hearing her speak struck fear in the hearts of many a moderate.
honestly, i was a McCain voter before she showed up. 2/8/2010 4:43:45 PM |
Solinari All American 16957 Posts user info edit post |
I like how suddenly a few cue notes are completely equal to scrolling EVERY GODDAMN WORD YOU HAVE TO SAY across three giant screens
ahhhh liberalism truly is a mental disorder 2/8/2010 6:45:39 PM |
skokiaan All American 26447 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "honestly, i was a McCain voter before she showed up." |
2/8/2010 6:46:21 PM |
Solinari All American 16957 Posts user info edit post |
she's got HOT legs 2/8/2010 6:52:07 PM |
Punter16 All American 2021 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "one surefire way to gurantee Obama a second term, is have Palin run on any ticket whatsoever.
if she goes on the Repub ticket, almost every moderate and independent voter will vote Dem, as we did the first time around. if she goes on soome kooky far right ticket, she will dilute the right wing vote.
matter of fact, the longer she stays in the public eye, the more the centrist vote automatically looks to the left. part of it is visceral reaction, part of it is empirical evidence from the last time we had a mentally challenged person in office." |
I'm a Republican, I loathe Obama, and I voted for McCain/Palin but I agree with every bit of this if she wants to help out the Republican cause she needs to just go away, same with Limbaugh. By and large, these two aren't at all representative of the majority of conservatives but liberals and the media love to frame them as the poster children for the Republican party because of just how much they do turn off moderates and independents.
That said, 6 words scribbled on a hand is hardly comparable to reading every word you speak in public off of a teleprompter.2/8/2010 7:23:22 PM |
m52ncsu Suspended 1606 Posts user info edit post |
you realize that she was reading her speech, right? she had to write those things on her hand because she didn't have a podium for the Q and A.
Also, you're right that the fact that she needed to write those things on her hand for those softball questions is not the same as reading a teleprompter. it is entirely worse. 2/8/2010 7:39:52 PM |
agentlion All American 13936 Posts user info edit post |
this wasn't just a softball question. It was a question about what the Republicans top-3 priorities should be "when" they take over the House and Senate. You know, the kind of question that defines you as a political figure. The kind of question a Presidential candidate should be able to write a book about. The kind of question she should be able to answer in her sleep.
but nope - she can't even keep in her tiny little pea-brain three simple phrases. 1) Energy 2) Budget Tax Cuts 3) Lift American Spirits
it's also interesting that she apparently initially wrote "budget cuts" and replaced it with "tax cuts." That little slip alone says a lot about her character - she doesn't care about actual budget changes. She would rather just talk about tax cuts, because that's the most sure-fire way to excite a republican crowd. Pretty much exactly what Bush did - cut taxes, but don't follow it up with budget cuts.
and not to mention - anyone who's comparing this to reading notes or teleprompter for a speech. It's one thing to dictate what you or someone else has written before hand for a speech - it's not like Obama is trying to fool anyone into thinking he's just winging all these speeches. But ask any middle school who writes something on the palm of their hand, and tries to look at it by cupping their hand in their lap and pretending to look down naturally to read it, and they will tell you the explicit purpose of writing on your hand is to try to hide what was written from somebody else.
It would be another thing entirely if she had a set of note-cards in her lap that she referred to, in plain view of the interviewer and the audience. Now, it would still call into question to validity of the interview format (i.e. was she given the questions before hand or was it an impromptu interview as the format suggested) but at least she wouldn't be hiding the fact that she was using notes.
[Edited on February 8, 2010 at 9:31 PM. Reason : .] 2/8/2010 9:16:37 PM |
moron All American 34142 Posts user info edit post |
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/02/09/gibbs-scrawls-grocery-list-hand-jab-palin/
According to Fox News, it apparently is JUST "left-wing bloggers" than are mocking Palin, and not instead the entire country. 2/9/2010 4:18:09 PM |
Boone All American 5237 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "2) Budget Tax Cuts" |
That is very, very telling.2/9/2010 4:20:48 PM |
MattJM321 All American 4003 Posts user info edit post |
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Spontaneous All American 27372 Posts user info edit post |
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TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148441 Posts user info edit post |
not to nitpick but...
all politics and abilities of Palin and Obama aside, it almost seems like Palin is a better public speaker...one person has a few notes, literally a few...the other reads many sentences and paragraphs from a teleprompter
now obviously Obama comes across as a better public speaker than Palin...its not even close...just listen to each of them
but comparing a few notes on your hand, to a teleprompter full of an entire speech, is like saying "Attn: people criticizing someone for 3 dozen speeding tickets: this person on the other side of the aisle just got a single speeding ticket! Owned!"
[Edited on February 9, 2010 at 6:31 PM. Reason : pointless thread in the first place] 2/9/2010 6:27:40 PM |
skokiaan All American 26447 Posts user info edit post |
Maybe this is the liberal NPR mediate at work, but the tea partyers are trying to hitch their wagon to her (or maybe she is trying to hitch her wagon to them).
Either way, it would kill too birds with one stone and ensure that both go down in flames 2/9/2010 6:44:44 PM |