The First National Tea Party Convention just wrapped up headed by Sarah Palin, CPAC is now under way, and the Tea Party is setting up for the 2nd National Tea Party conference in a few months. The main GOP/CPAC speaker of the day was Dick Cheney.

By all means lets turn to the people who ran Washington for so many years under Bush and supported him during that time for our new anti-Washington ideas. I think the closer we get to the elections, and the more people have to look at supporting specific GOP, not just an imagined generic anti-washington candidate, the more people are going to realize they are not so appealing, especially with the continued quality GOP leadership of the head of the republican party, Michael Steele.

In NC specifically this year we get to decide whether we want to send incumbent Burr back to Washington so he can vote against anti-rape amendments, tell his family to do a bank-run whenever the economy turns sour, who who stood against Tammy Duckworth's attempts to help veterans, who is anti-choice, who thinks domestic abuse ought to be a pre-existing condition, and thinks the US constitution needs to be amended to ban gay marriage, and who has been publicly taking credit for the recovery act funds (that he voted against).

2/18/2010 11:22:33 PM

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"By all means lets turn to the people who ran Washington for so many years"

This applies to both parties in almost universally the same ways. The GOP sucks, but so does the DP. That is what we get for 100 years of "the lesser evil".

2/18/2010 11:30:06 PM

Anybody that looks up to Dick Cheney for embodying the spirit of "smaller-government" deserves to lose their right to vote. If anything Bush's fuckups are the fault of Darth Cheney and his other advisers like Rumsfeld and ashcroft.

Lets not forget as Vice President Cheney was part of the 4th Branch of Government

[Edited on February 19, 2010 at 7:35 AM. Reason : l]

2/19/2010 7:34:34 AM

Here comes CPAC with their new ideas!

2/19/2010 9:16:29 AM

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"I think the closer we get to the elections, and the more people have to look at supporting specific GOP, not just an imagined generic anti-washington candidate, the more people are going to realize they are not so appealing"

ANYBODY BUT BUSH worked in November

why wouldnt the opposite work?

2/19/2010 9:18:52 AM

^ Bush wasn't running in 2008, so, yeah..... that is meaningless.

There was also an "anybody but Bush" push in 2004, and that didn't exactly workout for anybody, but Bush.

2/19/2010 9:27:53 AM

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"Bush wasn't running in 2008"

ok? so nobody voted Democrat because they were fed up with Bush?

2/19/2010 9:46:54 AM

I was wondering how Supplanter would work in his anti-Burr Diatribe into this discussion.

How is Kay Hagan working out as a Senator? How many corrupt Democrats are in the NC General Assembly and Governor's Mansion? I guess we should trust everything Democrats say and bow down to their legislation. Not saying I agree with Dick Cheney I think he and Obama are one in the same spend my money for something that won't benefit me. With Cheney it was the rich, and Obama its the poor. Either way I am left footing the bill since I am in the middle. Its time for a party that represents the Middle Class to rise. Kill the rich and Kill the poor.

2/19/2010 10:10:07 AM

^For all the talk about how bad Washington politicians are in so many threads (whether they be republican or democrat), the only big decision most NCers share in making this November is whether or not they prefer the incumbent, republican Senator Burr, or one of the challengers, Elaine Marshall, Ken Lewis, Marcus Williams, or Cal Cunningham.

2/19/2010 11:38:00 AM

Reminder that Burr voted against a bill that would have protected female contractors who were raped while in Iraq.

2/19/2010 11:43:20 AM

Looks like they're pinning all there hopes on people hating President Obama. The teleprompter joke that all used is 1) getting pretty old, 2) Palin uses her palm, 3) President Obama owned the GOP when he did Question Time without a teleprompter, 4) most of you idiots read that same joke over and over, one after another, off of a freaking teleprompter!

I'm not sure that is the best place to pin your hopes:

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2010/02/obama-leads-gop-hopefuls.html

"He's up 45-43 on Mitt Romney, 46-43 on Mike Huckabee, 50-43 on Sarah Palin, and 46-28 on John Thune."

"As for Obama, his approval rating is back in positive territory for the first time in our polling since early December at 48/47. That's largely thanks to 48% approval from independents, up from 43% in mid-January."



Gallup seems to agree. Other than the conservative rasmussen polling company, which likes to focus on "strongly" categories only to get emotional people like the tea party but less so for independents, President Obama seems to be doing decent and improving. That is hardly a ringing endorsement, but not enough to hang election hopes upon.

[Edited on February 19, 2010 at 12:14 PM. Reason : .]

2/19/2010 11:53:51 AM

What I don't get is how someone that looks as young as Marco Rubio is a FORMER speaker of the house, and yet the GOP still holds the Florida house...what happened there (or do they have terms)?

Not to mention, it's pretty hard to push yourself as an establishment outsider when you've been in politics almost consistently since you were an adult. I thought the right hated "career politicians"? Or are they just happy to have a hot latino kid to run for president some day?

2/19/2010 12:15:21 PM

2/19/2010 12:31:38 PM

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"How is Kay Hagan working out as a Senator?"

I don't have a problem with Hagan. She is a vast improvement over Carpetbagger Elizabeth Dole.

My main issue is i do not like Bev Purdue. She solely got her office by riding the Obama wave with all the democrat straight ticket pullers last November.

2/19/2010 12:44:17 PM

LOL at Beck being the keynote speaker. Cheney belongs in jail.

2/19/2010 12:46:02 PM

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"I am convinced that history will judge President Bush far more kindly — he pulled us from a deepening recession following the attack of 9-11, he overcame teachers unions to test schoolchildren and evaluate schools, he took down the Taliban, waged a war against the jihadists and was not afraid to call it what it is — a war, and he kept us safe. I respect his silence even in the face of the assaults on his record that come from this administration."

--Mit Romney


Yes, gg W., on fixing the recession and destroying the Taliban.

2/19/2010 5:38:53 PM

Lol, I'm surprised they're even admitting the recession started before Obama had been in office for 2 or 3 months to get some policies going.

2/19/2010 5:41:15 PM

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"The GOP sucks, but so does the DP."

But the democrats are slowly getting better. Senate and congress suck, but Obama is a step in the right direction, the democrats will have to change by losing some legislative races. The GOP faces a more difficult task, I think most republicans will admit that their representatives don't act in the way they would like, they campaign on principles they support, but they don't really act on them. The republicans need a fundamental rebuilding of their party. There have been a few attempts at this, the most recent is this stupid tea party thing, but everyone is beginning to see that that won't work, the earlier failed attempt by perot lost them a presidential election. I'd like to see better republican come out honestly, as the ideas you guys like are really the lesser evil when compared to people like Bush, Cheney, Steele, and Palin.

2/19/2010 5:47:06 PM

I guess Romney forgot the recession began on W's watch too.

2/19/2010 5:55:22 PM

I absolutely cannot believe the amount of misinformation coming out of this. Say something enough times and it must be true....

2/19/2010 8:24:17 PM

2/19/2010 8:32:12 PM

What is funny is the tea party book of signs sold at CPAC and after claiming they only showed the wackjob ones on the "liberal news" the book shows well, the wackjob ones.

2/19/2010 10:03:56 PM

^^ The rationale there is genius.

civil rights = natural rights = human nature = reproduction =/= homosexuality

YOU'VE MADE AN ENEMY OF ME

2/19/2010 10:37:13 PM

^
"Freedom of Opinion"

I'm glad democrats never disagree with each other.

2/19/2010 10:49:49 PM

1% in positive half is hardly a 'rebound' but ok...

2/19/2010 10:51:19 PM

^^ I'm proud to say that that guy's opinion wouldn't be welcome in the DNC, thnx.

2/19/2010 10:55:36 PM

insert arbitrary chest thumping here

2/19/2010 11:22:10 PM

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"I'm glad democrats never disagree with each other."

Of course they do. But they don't usually classify entire segments of the US population as inhuman and undeserving of civil rights.

2/20/2010 8:34:19 AM

The recession Romney is talking about was the tech bubble recession of the early 2000s

2/20/2010 8:54:10 AM

haha, Ron Paul won the straw poll. When will the 'Pubs figure it out

2/20/2010 6:42:51 PM

Good ol' conservative values:

TELEPROMPTER RAWR RAWR

SNOW DISPROVES GLOBAL WARMING

GAY JOKES LOL

2/20/2010 9:08:17 PM

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"Of course they do. But they don't usually classify entire segments of the US population as inhuman and undeserving of civil rights. "

This may be true of democratic philosophy, but democratic politicians have been known to say plenty of dumb things, and will continue to say dumb things along these lines. It’s too easy not to.

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"haha, Ron Paul won the straw poll. When will the 'Pubs figure it out "

It’s interesting, that’s for sure. He did so terribly in the primaries, we’ll see how he does if he makes another run.

I think it would be an interesting experiment having a true nutjob at the helm, but I don’t think congress or the judiciary would let him screw things up too much.

[Edited on February 20, 2010 at 9:30 PM. Reason : ]

2/20/2010 9:28:53 PM

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"Of course they do. But they don't usually classify entire segments of the US population as inhuman and undeserving of civil rights."

No, they just call entire segments of the US population racists or inbred rednecks. it's the same thing

2/20/2010 9:40:24 PM

There is stereotyping and name calling on both sides.

I don't see how you can equate that with Ryan Sorba coming on and saying that he condemns the whole damn event because they invited some gay pride group. Surely though, you have an equivalent example of dems pulling such shenanigans....

2/20/2010 9:54:42 PM

no. calling a whole state racist is surely not on par with that

the Freudian slip of "clinging to guns and religion" doesn't compare, either.

2/20/2010 10:01:37 PM

Neither of those were as rude or as outrightly offensive

2/20/2010 10:28:31 PM

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"I think it would be an interesting experiment having a true nutjob at the helm,"

2/20/2010 11:02:54 PM

to you, Kris. to you

2/20/2010 11:15:03 PM

I am irrelevant to the equation here. If you say "fat people are bad for society" to a fat person's face, it's far more rude and outright offensive than if you were to say it to a bike club full of healthy people. Surely you see the difference.

2/21/2010 12:48:45 AM

not at all. It's rude no matter to whom you say it.

2/21/2010 12:51:49 AM

Indeed, both are rude and highly offensive. That's not the point.

The difference is:
1) Racism, I hope we can all agree, is actually wrong. The only thing wrong with calling people racist (other than the rudeness), is in the case in which it is not true.
2) I don't see anybody demanding to take away and restrict the rights of racists or rednecks.
3) I don't see anyone protesting the funerals of racists and rednecks.

2/21/2010 11:00:27 AM

well, people do protest military funerals

and, face it, you are more offended by someone being rude to one group than someone being rude to another. that's ok. there's nothing wrong with it. just admit that you are partial to one group and not to another. The slam isn't on "racists and rednecks." It's on people who disagree with the democratic party, who then get labeled as racists and rednecks. Hell, the insults given to people of religious belief are almost on par with any perceived "insult" given to homosexuals.

2/21/2010 1:56:21 PM

except that homosexuals aren't afforded the same rights as the rest of us.

2/21/2010 2:07:25 PM

Let me be clear that it was amazing that Sorba got booed off....

I'm just curious how many were clapping at the same time.

2/21/2010 2:32:40 PM

^^ they aren't? I wasn't aware they didn't have the right to free speech. or the right to a fair trial. Or the right to marry. or the right of freedom of association.

2/21/2010 2:39:26 PM

they certainly aren't afforded the same rights in our military.

2/21/2010 2:40:50 PM

touche, but there is no right to serve in the military

2/21/2010 2:42:20 PM

i didn't say they couldn't serve. but that they aren't afforded the same rights when they do.

and this is not to speak of marriage. but i know you say that they have the right to marry someone of the opposite sex. but that is stupid bullshit. just like black used to have the right to marry someone of their same race, right?

2/21/2010 2:43:47 PM

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"i didn't say they couldn't serve. but that they aren't afforded the same rights when they do."

but nowhere does it say they have those rights. you can't be denied a right when said right doesn't exist in the first place.

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"and this is not to speak of marriage. but i know you say that they have the right to marry someone of the opposite sex. but that is stupid bullshit. just like black used to have the right to marry someone of their same race, right?"

not at all. two men can get married all they want. They just won't have gov't acknowledgment of it. Again, something there is no actual right to. Blacks could marry whites back in the day, too. Except in states where it was deemed illegal, which was summarily overturned, as it should have been. Until some state starts throwing people in jail for getting married, you have no fucking point.

2/21/2010 2:55:10 PM

so if a state school doesn't allow in a student because of their race, then that's okay, simply because they're not arresting that potential student?

2/21/2010 3:40:30 PM