the whole "watch beach volleyball to see women in bikinis" is so stupid. you can get on the internet and see video of much better looking girls doing whatever you want to see a video of them doing in less time than it takes to change the channel.

also, i don't want anyone arguing on the behalf of womens athletics to miss this

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"It's not that big of a disparity. Male and female sprinters world records are separated by less than a second. World class female sprinters are faster than a lot of college and almost all top high school sprinters."

http://ncpreptrack.net/09tk4a.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athletics_at_the_2008_Summer_Olympics#Women
2009 north carolina mens state champion in the 100m dash: hunter furr - 10.65s
2008 olympic gold medal winner in the 100m dash: shelly-ann fraser - 10.78s

and there's nothing special about this result. just the most recent nc high school state champ results.

[Edited on April 2, 2010 at 9:05 AM. Reason : .]

4/2/2010 9:04:27 AM

But I want to fantasize.

4/2/2010 9:05:42 AM

^^Was that arguing my point??

Because I said...ALMOST all high school sprinters. They probably can't beat most state champions...but they are also faster than 99.9% of the other high school sprinters. They're still less than a second behind the men's world record. So you're not really making a point.

4/2/2010 9:17:45 AM

Could the best high school boy's basketball team take on the worst WNBA team?

4/2/2010 9:21:43 AM

negative, you said "top" high school sprinters. some random dude that does track for fun is not a "top sprinter".

but okay, the state of north carolina is still too "top" for you. the winner of the wake county meet in 2009 ran a 10.78, the same as womens olympic gold.

[Edited on April 2, 2010 at 9:26 AM. Reason : if winning a county isn't the lowest form of a "top" high school sprinter, then i don't know what is]

4/2/2010 9:22:26 AM

Hey dumbass...your high school track star that just "runs for fun"

Hunter Furr:

Quote :

"State Champ in the 100, 200 and long jump • Nike Outdoor National Champ in the 100 meters with a time of 10.43"

Methinks he does it for a little more than fun. But carry on...

[Edited on April 2, 2010 at 9:33 AM. Reason : The bottom line is the overall mens and women's records. Less than a second overall. Your comments a]

4/2/2010 9:29:03 AM

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[Edited on April 2, 2010 at 9:33 AM. Reason : .]

4/2/2010 9:33:00 AM

yeah you fucking dolt. he is a "top high school sprinter". that is what you said, is it not?

if you didn't compare women to "top high school sprinter[s]", then we can end this conversation. but if you did, then i think our state's champ is a good place to start.

fuck, wake county's champ is just as fast.

you can keep saying that you're excluding the very top until you're down to some fat kid that runs track b/c his school as 500 kids in it and he wanted to get in shape, but as i recall you said "top high school sprinter".

4/2/2010 9:41:53 AM

I'll keep arguing how women's basketball is horrible...but this will be the last post I make about the sprinting...which for some reason you picked, out of all the other examples, to argue.

I said ALMOST (reading comprehension there pal...ALMOST does not mean ALL). You could probably find that the majority, if not all, state champions are faster than the women's world record. But those guys also probably go on to run in college and are top-notch sprinters.

I just looked at the results for 2009 100M NCAAs, and there were some times in the 10.60s and 10.70s. Those are the top college runners. The tops of those guys are in the low 10s. But that still means that best woman is still faster than A LOT of the male college sprinters if there are guys that are qualified for the championships running in the 10.60s and 10.70s. And I'll repeat this for maybe the fifth time in this thread...which for some reason you keep ignoring...maybe because it completely shoots down your argument:

Quote :

"Male and female sprinters world records are separated by less than a second."

Men's basketball players are ten times as good as women. Baseball and softball...not even close. Men would kill women in tennis (the Williams' sisters might when a few games because of their serves), same goes for volleyball, etc etc.

But the top man is only 1/10 faster than the top woman in world class sprinting. Why the fuck are you even arguing this?? The only thing you are pointing out is that the gap isn't that big between high school and pros. Pick something else...because you're wrong on this one.

4/2/2010 10:41:22 AM

the average height of WNBA players is right at 5'11" or 6'0" so the average WNBA players is about the same as or a tad smaller than Ish Smith. If Ish Smith was the average size for a male player the men's game would lose alot of its excitement. still better than the women's game by far though. they really should consider lowering the basket for women

4/2/2010 11:02:55 AM

Quote :

"Could the best high school boy's basketball team take on the worst WNBA team?"

The best high school boy's basketball team could take on the worst best WNBA team and beat them by 50 points

4/2/2010 12:03:00 PM

are male and female sprinters really not that far apart? I thought what women were worst at was sprinting and jumping

4/2/2010 6:07:24 PM

Nah, dude, the gap has been narrowing for years.

4/2/2010 6:17:45 PM

^



BULLSHIT!!!1

4/2/2010 6:22:39 PM

Quote :

"Could the best high school boy's basketball team take on the worst WNBA team?"

any high school boy's team with decent size would slaughter the best WNBA team

4/2/2010 6:27:53 PM

Quote :

"Male track and field athletes put down much faster times than women. Should we abandon coverage of women's track and field events because of that?"

that is very diff imo. many women's sports such as track and field, tennis, soccer are just slower versions of the same thing.

b/c of the above the rim component, mens basketball is, usually, a very different animal from women's basketball

4/4/2010 11:53:58 PM

I'm not above jerking off to some women's tennis. I've done it before. I'm sure I could do it again in a pinch.

4/5/2010 10:04:17 AM

Im certain Brittany Griner could beat the fuck out of JBrick83 and prob 3/4ths of the guys in this post....truly sad....

4/6/2010 6:07:07 PM

This first half has been the worst thing to ever happen to the sport of womens basketball.

[Edited on April 6, 2010 at 9:12 PM. Reason : ]

4/6/2010 9:11:53 PM

Quote :

"20 TO 12"

4/6/2010 9:13:55 PM

4/6/2010 9:17:54 PM

i'm all for equality but eventually you've just got to say "why is the WNBA on when they could be re-running classic NBA games?"

I mean...it's not even fundamentally sound basketball. and who has ever met a WNBA fan? I can't even name one player, honestly.

Wait, wasn't Bill Laimbeer coaching a team recently?

[Edited on April 6, 2010 at 9:22 PM. Reason : .]

4/6/2010 9:18:20 PM

yikes. 20 to 12. this is probably the best thing that could happen to sports

4/6/2010 9:29:16 PM

they should just cancel the sport at halftime

4/6/2010 9:41:37 PM

I'm all for soccer totally replacing the WNBA on TV.

4/6/2010 9:45:56 PM

Does the WNBA make any money?

4/6/2010 9:50:39 PM

from wikipedia

Quote :

"So far the WNBA has not mirrored the monetary success of the NBA, though it targets profitability. While some teams do make a profit (and others break even), most of the teams in the WNBA lose money each season. Losses are subsidized by the NBA; in 2003, news surfaced that the NBA spent up to $12 million a year to help pay for the WNBA losses. In 2007, teams were estimated to be losing $1.5 million to $2 million a year.[10] However, in a March 12, 2009 article, NBA commissioner David Stern said that in the bad economy, "the NBA is far less profitable than the WNBA. We're losing a lot of money amongst a large number of teams. We're budgeting the WNBA to break even this year." "

4/6/2010 10:08:20 PM

Jesus, how the fuck has Stanford fucked things up this badly? This is embarrassing, even for women's basketball.

4/6/2010 10:09:45 PM

IT'S RAINING POINTS

4/6/2010 10:13:30 PM

this court looks ridiculous

4/6/2010 10:14:30 PM

Quote :

"Im certain Brittany Griner could beat the fuck out of JBrick83 and prob 3/4ths of the guys in this post....truly sad...."

And that has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that women's basketball is the worst sport in the history of sports. But nice argument.

Tonight only made my point stronger.

4/7/2010 12:28:39 AM

i'll bet it's on the front page of espn.com.

i'm going to go check now.

[Edited on April 7, 2010 at 6:59 AM. Reason : sure as shit.]

4/7/2010 6:59:01 AM

Women's basketball is a sport???

4/7/2010 7:44:14 AM

The two best teams in the nation combine for 32 points at the half. Hahahaha.



We no can dunk, but good fundamentals.

[Edited on April 7, 2010 at 8:10 AM. Reason : -]

4/7/2010 8:07:38 AM

MELBOURNE -- Venus and Serena Williams discovered they're no match for the men on the ATP tennis tour, at least not yet.

In an impromptu 'Battle of the Sexes' at the Australian Open yesterday, first Serena, then Venus challenged No 203 Karsten Braasch to a set apiece, and he beat them both.

Serena fell 6-1, Venus 6-2. They played as intensely as they could, while Braasch performed with gentlemanly restraint.

"It was extremely hard," said the 16-year-old Serena. "I didn't know it would be that hard. I hit shots that would have been winners on the women's tour and he got to them easily."

That didn't stop her from boasting that "this time next year I'll beat him. I have to pump some weight . . . I have to work hard to be on the men's tour."

Venus, 17, wasn't about to concede too much either, especially since she broke Braasch's serve once.

"I can beat men in the 300s and up," she said. "He thought we couldn't get a point. He didn't think we could play. We showed him we could."

Asked if she might not want to take on players on the senior tour, or retired men as Billie-Jean King did against 1939 Wimbledon champion Bobby Riggs in their ballyhooed 'Battle of the Sexes' in 1973, Venus shook her beaded head.

"I'm going for the young guns," she said.

Braasch smiled at their claims.

"Against anyone in the top 500, no chance," Braasch said, "because I was playing like 600 today."

The sister act played Braasch on Court 12 in the boondocks of the Australian Open complex. A few hundred fans and players who wandered by witnessed the event along with a crowd of media. No umpire, no linesmen, no ball boys, no scoreboard. And no prize money or bets. Only pride was at stake.

It all started a few days ago when the Williams sisters wandered into the ATP tour office at the Australian Open and boldly claimed they could beat any of the men ranked 200 or above. The bespectacled Braasch, a German who has sunk in the rankings after reaching 38 in 1994, happened to be in the office and took up the challenge.

Venus was still in the tournament at the time so a match was set between Serena and Braasch for Sunday. Rain postponed that until yesterday and with the sun shining Serena and Braasch showed up ready to defend the honour of their sexes.

At least that's how Serena saw it. For Braasch, it was a joke. He never even considered the possibility he might be ridiculed by the other men players if he lost.

"Everyone knew that there's no chance for them," he said. "They were talking to me, that I should go out and beat them by as much as possible. They said make it 24 points and go off the court."

He played, he said, for fun, "because tennis doesn't have to be serious, especially when you're out of the tournament." Braasch lost last week in the singles and doubles.

When Riggs lost to King at the Houston Astrodome, there was a crowd of more than 30 000 -- the biggest in tennis history. That nationally televised exhibition, four months after Riggs' 'Mother's Day Massacre' of Margaret Court, did more to establish women's tennis than any other match or tournament.

The Williams sisters, in their way, are bringing new life to the women's tour, even if they couldn't beat Braasch. Venus reached the final of the US Open and the quarters here. Serena has beaten three top 10 players since turning pro a few months ago. Each has the personality and flash to make the sport more popular than ever.

Braasch, a left-handed junk ball expert with a convoluted service motion, won the first five games against Serena. He ran her dizzy all over the court, showing her a befuddling assortment of spins.

He could have hit harder if he wanted, taken her out of points sooner, but as her unofficial coach, Nick Bollettieri, noted at courtside, "He's being kind to her."

Venus, who had just changed into jeans after losing in the women's quarter-finals to Lindsay Davenport, showed up at Court 12 late and saw her sister getting trounced.

"I'd definitely take this guy on," she said. When Braasch held at love to 5-0, Venus' competitiveness got the better of her.

"Maybe I should go get dressed," she said to Bollettieri. "What do you think, Nick?"

"Go for it," he answered.

Venus raced across Melbourne Park, her multi-coloured beads flying among the surprised fans. She changed quickly and raced right back, arriving out of breath just as Serena won her only game when Braasch netted a backhand after a couple of deuces.

The small crowd roared for Serena, but Braasch closed out the set with an ace a few moments later.

As Serena and Braasch shook hands, Venus entered the court and issued her own challenge to Braasch.

Venus had as little success as Serena when the match got under way. She lost her first service game at love, managed only one point on Braasch's serve and dropped her next serve.

But after going down 4-0, Venus held serve at love as Braasch hit several errors.

Perhaps boredom was setting in because Braasch then lost his own serve to 4-2 when Venus cracked a sizzling forehand past him on her second break point.

Braasch wasn't about to let the set get away. He stepped up his pace a bit, overpowered Venus on her serve and closed out the match with an ace.

"I took at least 50 per cent off my serve," Braasch said.

"I came out with a few hard ones, but not too much because then it's not fun anymore and it was supposed to be fun."

4/7/2010 10:04:41 AM

Quote :

"said the 16-year-old Serena"

4/7/2010 10:08:23 AM

Nice contribution Kimberly

4/7/2010 10:09:28 AM

I would like to see them play some lower ranked men's players.

I don't think they would win, but I bet they would win a few more service games this time.

4/7/2010 10:09:35 AM

It's just that that article isn't relevant now and it wasn't relevant then. Let's play that mathup again now.

4/7/2010 10:11:26 AM

Quote :

"you can get on the internet and see video of much better looking girls doing whatever you want to see a video of them doing in less time than it takes to change the channel. "

those with girlfriends or spouses can not get in trouble for "watching" a volleyball game where the girls just happen to be in bikini's. Looking up girls in bikini's or pr0n on your computer though, implies a different "intent" and requires more discretion than simply putting volleyball on the big screen.

4/7/2010 12:29:57 PM

Felt the need to bump this thread with more evidence of how truly shitty women's/girls b-ball is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvvmiAbPBss&feature=player_embedded

4/10/2010 11:29:35 AM

What the shit was that? If I was the coach, they'd all be benched for the season. She wasn't going to come within 2 feet of the rim even with the assist.

4/10/2010 1:41:44 PM

^^^ fucking

^^ a- that's hilarious. b- she wouldn't have come close, even w/ a clean boost.

4/10/2010 5:36:31 PM

while watching Serena play in her final US Open, decided to do a keyword search, and this thread showed up

my god

8/29/2022 8:59:04 PM

Some pretty bad opinions itt. Also a buncha bandwagon fans now cheering the Pack WBB team

8/30/2022 6:14:05 AM

the best two games I’ve been to this year have both been women's basketball games

one college, one WNBA

and the best game I’ve seen all year was a women’s basketball game (us v. UConn)

[Edited on August 30, 2022 at 5:38 PM. Reason : .]

8/30/2022 5:37:48 PM

incredible playoff game going into OT on ABC right now

9/4/2022 5:02:15 PM