Car-wise, rule-wise ect.
I am operating under the assumption that F-1 is superior, but i cannot ever find a race being broadcast or even re-broadcast. I can occasionally run into an indycar race and I want to know what I'm missing.
thx

4/9/2010 10:22:41 PM

so far this year the F1 races have been in the early morning hours. They are all on Speed except a couple in the summer which will be on Fox time delay.

Indycar has ~650hp spec locked down engine from Honda, 10,300 rpm limit, and a common 6 speed transaxle.
F1 has multiple manufacturers, all 2.4l v8 rev limited to 18k, could be in the high 700hp range depending on who you believe. Common ECU used by all teams but each team programs their own code in it. Each team usually makes their own transaxles, all 7 speed units.

Indycar has refueling whenever the team wants.
F1 has no refueling at all this year.

F1 is 250-300lbs lighter as a minimum weight.

I believe Indycar used to use carbon brake rotors for some types of tracks and regular iron rotors for other, but they have gone to carbon brakes for all races. F1 has used carbon brakes for a long time.

F1 has 13" rim diameter, Indycar is 15".

F1 teams make a new chassis design every year (and sometimes do significant mid-season improvements leading to a new chassis designation), Indycar teams use the same chassis for a long time because there isn't much of a need to get a new spec chassis unless they damage it too much in a wreck.

F1 has far superior handling and braking capabilities, but the added aero drag from the shape of the body and wings means it has a lower top speed.

F1 also has rules regarding engine and transmission reliability (8 engines must last the whole season, use in any order you want, trans need to last 4 races).

4/9/2010 10:55:32 PM

F1 is superior.

4/9/2010 11:01:38 PM

well, bigger picture, Indy cars run both road courses and circle tracks, whereas F1 runs strictly road/street courses.

4/9/2010 11:42:44 PM

http://www.wikipedia.org

4/10/2010 12:07:37 AM

isn't there a major difference in the rear-end? like indy runs spools and F1 runs some sort of LSD? i can't remember and maybe i'm thinking of something else.

4/10/2010 12:21:55 AM

thanks!
i just cant get into nascar

how about the class of drivers? are indycar drivers regularly competitive in f-1?

4/10/2010 12:24:18 AM

indy-everyone complains
f1- most wins in a season wins championship

4/10/2010 12:30:40 AM

sweeeeeeeeet

4/10/2010 12:35:18 AM

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"i just cant get into nascar"

you should go to a local short track race or two and give it a shot

4/10/2010 12:39:20 AM

why cant you get into nascar. is it because indy shares some of the same tracks as nascar and there is less passing and shorter racing and less cars as well.

4/10/2010 12:39:20 AM

nascars dont sound like africanized chainsaws

4/10/2010 12:53:44 AM

lol don't indy cars have a pretty locked down aero package too?

honestly F1 used to be so far superior to indy its not even funny but with indy cars making more power and f1 making less.... they're getting close in "on paper statistics". but when it comes down to it the aerodynamics on the f1 cars are leaps and bounds ahead of an indy car while maintaining a similar over-all shape.

nascar is fun for the first time since they banned big blocks this year... but still not as cool as f1 cause they rarely turn right in nascar.

4/10/2010 1:05:35 AM

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"nascars dont sound like africanized chainsaws"

exactly

4/10/2010 1:09:55 AM

rubbin beatin and bangin is racing.

im ready for a fucking short track race

4/10/2010 1:18:09 AM

i've got to take the FE on the 17th, but i think i get out early enough to head to orange county

[Edited on April 10, 2010 at 1:30 AM. Reason : cheap beer will be necessary after that 8 hr test]

4/10/2010 1:30:34 AM

The F1 season is looking to be very interesting this year. Lots of passing thus far and some parity among teams. If you want to watch just google search the schedule for this year. I don't watch any races live, rather I DVR them and watch later. It's not super to hard to avoid learning the race winner prematurely, given the lack of US media coverage.

4/10/2010 2:14:40 AM

i went an entire week without knowing who won the IndyCar race from ST Pete before watching it on youtube

as an avid fan of both, I can tell you that F1 races can get boring, but qualifying is awesome.

But the same 4 drivers always win.

IndyCar races not so much, and the mix of ovals and road and street courses is what makes it interesting. BUT the same 6 drivers always win.

Nascar has a bigger change of drivers that win, but they have too many races and the races are too long.

F1 teams spend so much $$ on tenths of a second

IndyCar needs the turbo 4cyl that they are proposing to come a reality

4/10/2010 6:39:52 AM

F1 requires the most skill

4/10/2010 10:05:18 AM

Quote :

"lol don't indy cars have a pretty locked down aero package too? honestly F1 used to be so far superior to indy its not even funny but with indy cars making more power and f1 making less.... they're getting close in "on paper statistics". but when it comes down to it the aerodynamics on the f1 cars are leaps and bounds ahead of an indy car while maintaining a similar over-all shape. nascar is fun for the first time since they banned big blocks this year... but still not as cool as f1 cause they rarely turn right in nascar."

hahaha, oh god.........

4/10/2010 11:15:55 AM

MAHRT'NSVIYILLE!!!

4/11/2010 4:12:43 AM

NASCAR CARS #1 WOOO GIT EM RICKY BOBBY USA #1

VROOM VROOM

Ford Fusion, Toyota Camry, and Chevy Impala's race big circles around the track; then on any road courses let's get F1 drivers to handle the tough races.

4/11/2010 8:33:05 PM

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"Ford Fusion, Toyota Camry, and Chevy Impala's"

there's not a single part from any of those cars on a NASCAR race car

NASCAR regulars win the vast majority of road course races

you're the only one that you are screwin', when you put down what you don't understand

[Edited on April 11, 2010 at 8:54 PM. Reason : a]

4/11/2010 8:52:26 PM

Quote :

"as an avid fan of both, I can tell you that F1 races can get boring, but qualifying is awesome. But the same 4 drivers always win."

You should watch it this season. A different winner in each of the first three races. The FIA got the formula right this year with lots of exciting passing and lead changes. It's anyone's championship to win.

4/11/2010 10:25:44 PM

^

so long as it rains at some point on Saturday or Sunday.

4/11/2010 10:36:59 PM

i am still not convinced yet. i watched every practice, qual, and race so I think the dry races from day1 to day3 need to be convincing........

however watching the Barber IRL race yesterday I was thinking if they had the same rules, IndyCar would be MORE predictable with no refueling. F1 is LESS predictable thus far without refueling.

Of course Vettel should have won all 3 races if not for mechanical issues

4/12/2010 6:08:29 AM

^Agree with that statement. Vettel's the guy to beat, though I have to think that if Hamilton and finally grab a front row starting position that he'll run away with it. He's been very strong thus far as well.

4/12/2010 8:56:39 AM

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"let's get F1 drivers to handle the tough races"

AND THE NASCAR DRIVERS PREVAIL

4/12/2010 12:16:31 PM

[Edited on April 12, 2010 at 12:38 PM. Reason : dsf]

4/12/2010 12:33:50 PM

Quote :

"F1 is LESS predictable thus far without refueling. "

Are they short races??

4/12/2010 12:35:47 PM

^no, same length as always

4/12/2010 12:55:08 PM

Quote :

"nascar is fun for the first time since they banned big blocks this year."

huhuhhhhhhuuuuuhhhhhhh?

4/12/2010 2:30:42 PM

i cant remember nascar having a bigger block than like a 357 or some shit like that

4/12/2010 3:12:44 PM

It's been decades since nascar cup cars have had larger than a 358ci engine. ~1970 if I remember right.

4/12/2010 3:53:52 PM

Holy god....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSHToyGIxWE

4/12/2010 5:56:50 PM

Quote :

"why cant you get into nascar. is it because indy shares some of the same tracks as nascar and there is less passing and shorter racing and less cars as well."

Nascar is the dumbest and most boring racing of all time. Seriously.

4/12/2010 6:28:37 PM

Quote :

"Nascar is the dumbest and most boring racing of all time. Seriously."

Nahh you just got use TiVo. Fast foward 32x through most of the race.

Slow back to real time for the crashes.

With 50 laps remaining; reduce to the 2x FF which will let you hear audio (just with high pitched and fast speaking)

With 10 laps slow down to real time.

Profit$ by saving 3 hours of boring NASCAR but see the cool crashes, final laps of excitement, and the visit to winner circle.

4/12/2010 6:37:49 PM

OR youtube the crashes then because you realized you wasted 5 minutes of your life.

4/12/2010 6:45:30 PM

lol i mean.... this year nascar is the most fun since they limited the motor size in 1971 from 429ci to 358ci.
i mean bumping is allowed restricter plates are opening up...rubbing is allowed... woohaa!!
but still they only turn left

4/12/2010 9:09:48 PM

So, its kind of like a bunch of guys with big egos driving around in bumper cars?

4/12/2010 11:19:30 PM

RAWR RAWR RAWR

4/13/2010 9:33:27 AM

^^blatant trolling, lol

4/13/2010 10:08:05 AM

Quote :

"Nascar is the dumbest and most boring racing of all time. Seriously. "

so let me get this right you would rather go to a road course and only get to see about 30-45 seconds of action per lap?

when you could go to a NASCAR race and watch almost the entire thing from one seat.

doesnt sound boring to me.

4/13/2010 2:03:32 PM

Let's get back OT and leave out mention of left hand turns and 1970s tech plz.

4/13/2010 2:24:12 PM

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"so let me get this right you would rather go to a road course and only get to see about 30-45 seconds of action per lap? when you could go to a NASCAR race and watch almost the entire thing from one seat. doesnt sound boring to me"

You have never been to a road course race obviously.

I've been to both. I went to a NASCAR race shortly after immigrating to the United States without knowing what it was... sums up how my eyes felt after several hours of that *yawn* racing. Never again. I have watched it on TV and, although I didn't think possible, is even worse to watch!


In conclusion, NASCAR is boring as hell and for mentally challenged infants.

4/13/2010 3:00:16 PM

Quote :

"So, its kind of like a bunch of guys with big egos driving around in bumper cars?"

EXACTLY! 7-8 hundred hp bumper cars... i mean how fun would that be ?

4/13/2010 10:09:32 PM

Quote :

"You have never been to a road course race obviously"

have you ever been to summit point?

4/13/2010 10:38:17 PM

WTF

4/14/2010 2:05:34 AM