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http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.aspx?m=316295








HOLY SHIT






[Edited on April 30, 2010 at 10:48 AM. Reason : /]

4/30/2010 10:47:40 AM

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What the hell did they do to that board??

4/30/2010 1:36:42 PM

Optimum
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This is practical.

4/30/2010 1:42:09 PM

BlackDog
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^^ the board supports dual CPUs and 4 GPUs

They are running Liquid Nitrogen pots

^ normally breaking world records isn't the most cost effective

4/30/2010 2:07:10 PM

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this is about as impressive of a world record as that jap who ate the most hot dogs.

4/30/2010 2:08:33 PM

BlackDog
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3DMark, serious business

4/30/2010 2:09:12 PM

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whoop-de-fuckin-do

big surprise that this is a BlackDog thread...take it back to chit chat

[Edited on April 30, 2010 at 2:15 PM. Reason : .]

4/30/2010 2:15:04 PM

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^ come on bro

just get stoned and build some computers

it'll change your LIFE!!!!

4/30/2010 2:19:23 PM

BlackDog
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^^ take your trollin back to chit chat

anyone who follows bleeding edge PC hardware would find this pretty damn interesting.

it beat out 3x ATI 5970s





[Edited on April 30, 2010 at 2:20 PM. Reason : /]

4/30/2010 2:20:12 PM

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... or not.

4/30/2010 2:43:40 PM

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this is pretty cool. liquid nitrogen and computer parts.

4/30/2010 2:49:46 PM

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"this is about as impressive of a world record as that jap who ate the most hot dogs."


I dunno man, that dude ate a LOT of hot dogs.

4/30/2010 2:57:38 PM

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I guess I'm confused as to what the big deal is about though. Is there really any genuine ingenuity involved? And wouldn't you expect these results from what they did? Was there a point to doing this or a reason (other than cost or practicality) that someone else hadn't done this?

I'm not trying to be a dick either, I'm genuinely asking those questions. Just from a cursory glance over that forum and the pictures and stuff, it seems like all they did was spend time putting all this stuff together and got results you'd expect anyone to get if they did this. Most people probably just didn't do it because there wasn't much of a point. Seems more like a result of labor than ingenuity.

Maybe I am way off base though as I am certainly not an expert and stopped building my own computers and getting into benchmark stuff years ago.

4/30/2010 3:00:17 PM

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eVGA paid for all that hardware, k|ngp|n is such a famous OCer that he doesn't have to buy anything anymore.

basically they did it to prove that NVIDIA is back on top of ATI again. Not really any other reason.

4/30/2010 3:02:39 PM

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"Just from a cursory glance over that forum and the pictures and stuff, it seems like all they did was spend time putting all this stuff together and got results you'd expect anyone to get if they did this. Most people probably just didn't do it because there wasn't much of a point."


You make a good point but compare it to over enthusiast hobbies like modding cars for example. If you can afford the parts, and put them together or pay someone to put them together then you typically get expected results but it's still cool to look at and brag about. Each hobby has it's extremes.

4/30/2010 3:11:54 PM

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^true

4/30/2010 3:14:04 PM

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a couple observations:

a) k|ngp|n is probably the most renowned OC'er in the world and has held most of the world records for the last couple of years
b) it's EVGA's equipment that was used to set the OC record, there is an OC enthusiast audience, and to them this is very relevant and helps the EVGA brand name in this niche. there's something to be said to say you're #1 in the world and that your brand was used in a world record setting machine.
c) OC'ing shows stability and quality of the hardware to be able to put to the extreme conditions and still be able to POST, much less run any sort of benchmarking application
d) this is no different than going after any other world record, it's just about bragging rights
e) it's not just something anyone can do, there's engineering involved in figuring out how to best cool & power these pieces of hardware, it's not as simple as just throwing the hardware together and dipping it in liquid nitrogen, there's also many OS and hardware tweaks involved, there's accumulated knowledge and experience that comes with OC'ing to be able to hit those marks... you aren't going to get close to these kind of results if you did this yourself, unless you knew all the tweaks they did.

now if you want to discuss whether it's relevant or not to you or whether 3dmark is valid or not, well those are different discussions.

also this was just run on the 197.55 driver which enabled 4-way SLI for the 480, prior to this WHQL driver this wasn't possible.

[Edited on April 30, 2010 at 3:30 PM. Reason : ,]

4/30/2010 3:24:45 PM

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well i want to know if it can play Crysis maxed out at 2560 by 1600.

4/30/2010 3:27:00 PM

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all signs point to yes

Dual 5.5Ghz X5680 Xeon Processors (12-cores total) at 1.858V
8GB DDR3 at 4250Mhz (7-7-7-21-1T)
4-way SLI GTX 480 at 1050Mhz, memory at 1250Mhz

that's just sick.

4/30/2010 3:38:26 PM

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^so it would maybe keep a constant 60fps+ at full AA. The game itself isn't that multi threaded.

4/30/2010 3:48:09 PM

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well if it's not multi-threaded, then it probably cannot ever be maxxed out, unless you had a 8Ghz single-core processor, and a 4Ghz single-core gpu. if that's the case the game is a terrible benchmark.

4/30/2010 3:49:54 PM

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good point. i can't remember the benchmarks but i think the jump from dual core to quad and from dual sli to tri wasn't gigantic. Also you're assuming cpus won't get faster per clock in the future.

4/30/2010 3:55:52 PM

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well they get faster based on smaller manufacturing processes and newer architectures, i mean we've been able to OC to 5Ghz since the P4 days.... i'm just saying based on the current architecture we'd need to jump in frequency that much to see a significant improvement, unless we wait another 2 generations which could take 2-3 years, it's just that newer processors aren't focused on single-core performance anymore

[Edited on April 30, 2010 at 4:37 PM. Reason : .]

4/30/2010 4:35:20 PM

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I almost hit 5ghz on my E8500, there is a wall at 4.8ghz it won't go past (this is on air, see my gallery)

4/30/2010 4:38:39 PM

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wtf kind of cooler is that? And at that point why didn't you go with liquid? Lastly, did you stand the machine up? It would put a whole lot of stress on those little clips holding everyting together

5/1/2010 10:14:37 PM

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It's just a Tuniq Tower 120, mid level air cooling

It weighs much less than Thermalright 120 models with 2 fans (mine has an internal 120mm fan)

Also the only risk is bouncing the case, so you lay it heat sink up when traveling.

5/1/2010 10:27:58 PM

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^there seems to be a wall at ~66% OC on air

one of my better OCs:
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=192647
i used a Freezer7Pro, light weight 92mm HSF, but one of the better performers.

E6600 2.4Ghz OC'd to 3.6Ghz = ~66%

E8500 3.16Ghz OC'd to 4.78Ghz = ~66%

[Edited on May 1, 2010 at 11:42 PM. Reason : .]

5/1/2010 11:41:37 PM

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very possible

5/1/2010 11:57:32 PM

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who gives a fuck

5/2/2010 12:11:33 AM

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"anyone who follows bleeding edge PC hardware would find this pretty damn interesting.

it beat out 3x ATI 5970s"


Wow, I was about to savor a moment where I didn't think BlackDog was an annoying addict until this.

Of course 4 equivalent (arguably) GPUs beat out 3. That 4 of NVIDIA's best GPUs submerged in liquid nitrogen backed by their largest GPU manufacturer in funding did this is not a big surprise in the slightest. It is extremely cool until you try and say it proves NVIDIA is back on top, and it does not mean anything like that. It means EVGA knows how to sell high end GPUs to benchmark freaks.



That being said, replace that weak-ass GPU and switch to liquid and we'll talk TWW Gamers Union.

5/2/2010 12:23:11 AM

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Is the liquid nitrogen really necessary or just there for the cool factor ( )?

5/2/2010 1:47:17 AM

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^ Notice it's running at -180C idle and 22C under load ( > 200C temperature increase)? The processor would explode on air or water cooling.

5/2/2010 7:03:31 AM

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^ i don’t know if that reasoning holds…

it looks like they are merely immersing the equipment in LN2 not pumping it through pumps, which means it’s just cold air N2 doing a fair bit of the actual cooling (just like how you can dip your hand in liquid nitrogen, a bubble of insulating air forms around it).

I would bet they could do that with a standard properly designed liquid cooling setup.

5/2/2010 8:57:40 AM

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Rather than explain it to you, I'll just say you don't know what you're talking about.

5/2/2010 10:50:14 AM

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Wow, I was about to savor a moment where I didn't think BlackDog was an annoying addict until this.

Of course 4 equivalent (arguably) GPUs beat out 3. That 4 of NVIDIA's best GPUs submerged in liquid nitrogen backed by their largest GPU manufacturer in funding did this is not a big surprise in the slightest. It is extremely cool until you try and say it proves NVIDIA is back on top, and it does not mean anything like that. It means EVGA knows how to sell high end GPUs to benchmark freaks.
"


Um no, the 5970 has two GPU's per card, the 480 has one. That means 6 ATI GPUs lost to 4 NVIDIA GPUs.

So savor it all day.

5/2/2010 11:57:29 AM

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