Obviously BP doesn't know how to do shit.

5/24/2010 11:15:24 PM

But but but but Free Market!!!1

BP's a foreign company. I would imagine the best he could do is tell them to gtfo.

5/24/2010 11:20:57 PM

You can nationalize domestic assets of a foriegn company. It's generally not a good idea as it pisses a lot of people off, but you can do it.

5/24/2010 11:54:51 PM

this thread is a joke... right?

5/24/2010 11:55:49 PM

If BP pulled out of US markets I would hate to think what would happen to our economy.

5/25/2010 12:01:14 AM

Yeah, BP needs a bailout.

5/25/2010 12:26:31 AM

i don't think we should force them out of our country. i do think we should ban them from drilling anywhere off our coasts for a good 30 years or so.

5/25/2010 12:54:15 AM

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"Yeah, BP needs a bailout."

lol what? BP is not in need of money.

nvm, smc post lol

[Edited on May 25, 2010 at 1:02 AM. Reason : .]

5/25/2010 1:02:17 AM

Actually our govt has the authority to take over the cleanup, but they know BP knows about this stuff much more than a community organizer. Whether you want to admit that or not.

5/25/2010 9:29:09 AM

Venezuela did it

5/25/2010 9:38:24 AM

BP = BRITISH PETROLEUM

NOT A U.S. BASED COMPANY
HEADQUARTERED IN U.K.

5/25/2010 9:43:12 AM

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"BP = BRITISH PETROLEUM NOT A U.S. BASED COMPANY HEADQUARTERED IN U.K."

you lookin foolish man

5/25/2010 9:45:00 AM

caps bro, i'm serious.

[Edited on May 25, 2010 at 9:48 AM. Reason : >.>]

[Edited on May 25, 2010 at 9:48 AM. Reason : oh shit not chit chat]

5/25/2010 9:47:56 AM

Quote :

" May 24, 2010 Top Fed Official On "Pushing" BP Out: "Replace Them With What?" Admiral Thad Allen, Coast Guard Commandant: "To push BP out of the way would raise the question, replace them with what?""

it's just a shitty situation through and through.

5/25/2010 10:09:18 AM

So was this an accident or intentional leakage by BP? I only ask because wanting them out seems like it was intentional. Can't imagine another reason why government officials would want them out

5/25/2010 10:18:12 AM

stupid thread is stupid

a significant part of the blame for the two recent big industrial accidents - this oil spill and the w.va. coal mine deaths - rests with the incestuous relationship between government regulators and the industries which they supposedly oversee. both accidents could and should have been prevented or at least mitigated - the mine with more stringent oversight of safety regulations; the oil rig should not have been allowed to be built without a proven plan of action for this scenario. nationalizing bp, as if the government is somehow currently barred from stepping in and cleaning this mess up, is retarded. if bp "doesn't know how to do shit", it is likely that no one else, especially in the government "know how to do shit" either. which is fine, as long as such activities are regulated, so that entities which "doesn't know how to do shit" refrain from doing said shit.

5/25/2010 10:26:22 AM

^^

well, one could argue that their lack of success in fixing the mess is why they'd want them out. Of course the challenge is what I quoted from the coast guard admiral. Who are they going to replace BP with to fix this mess?

I hope they will hold BP accountable to all cleanup costs for the next several decades or however long it takes to recover from this disaster. This is much much worse then the Exxon Valdez spill, and that's still a problem in alaska.

5/25/2010 10:54:40 AM

Well they wanted to fine them $75 million which is a HUGE joke if you ask me. The obama administration came back with a figure in the billions as well as congress. Which I think is more in line with what the fine should be.

This is definitely one of the worst if not THE worst oil spill disasters.

[Edited on May 25, 2010 at 11:01 AM. Reason : .]

5/25/2010 11:01:04 AM

yeah, $75 million is less than a slap on the wrist.

the fines should be in the billions... ON TOP of making them pay for cleanup.

5/25/2010 11:12:31 AM

they should hire other companies to clean this up, and make BP pay the bill.

i can't say i feel all that confident in a company that is throwing golf balls at a spill at the bottom of the ocean

[Edited on May 25, 2010 at 11:14 AM. Reason : ]

5/25/2010 11:12:45 AM

do what it takes to clean it up, send BP the bill. Not a big deal. However, under no circumstances should the US government own any portion of any company. Thats just asking for trouble.

5/25/2010 11:13:46 AM

In a way its kind of like after the Gulf War when Saddam set fire to all those wells. Some burned for such a prolonged amount of time because we didn't have the know how to shut them off.

5/25/2010 11:18:15 AM

is it any wonder that the obama nut suckers would suggest such a thing? (nationalization)

5/25/2010 11:54:12 AM

^its just how they think. The govt is always good and always has the right answers. Even though they have admitted they dont in this case.

5/25/2010 12:22:28 PM

^ Categorically wrong.

5/25/2010 12:30:28 PM

I agree.

But you are posting in a thread begging Obama to nationalize BP bc they dont know how to do shit. Clearly, Obama and his vast knowledge of deep sea mining/drilling would do much better.

Although it seems that LA is wanting to build more of these barriers but are waiting on the Fed red tape... shocked I tell ya.

5/25/2010 1:50:52 PM

Perhaps operations like this that involve a risk of environmental catastrophe should have to "prove" that they can handle most all possible system failures before they're allowed to begin. (At great cost, no doubt.)

5/25/2010 2:06:22 PM

This is ridiculous. Obviously none of you remember around 1998 when the US government had to turn to private sector oil well drillers to pick up NASAs slack after they couldn't manage to blow up a stupid asteroid.

5/25/2010 2:21:08 PM

^like passing standards, regulations, and inspections set by the federal govt?

We even had a govt study that showed what all the govt needs to protect the coast from big oil spills... THEY didnt do anything about it.

This is a tragic event, but terrible and unexpected accidents happen and we learn from them. Im sure we will have new standards for these deep sea rigs with double cut offs, etc. And that will be fine until the next unexpected event happens. and so on

5/25/2010 2:24:28 PM

^ This is the kind of reasoning that prevents stoplights from being installed at notorious rural intersections until there are a few deaths to "justify" the expense

5/25/2010 2:27:54 PM

^^LMAO. Mr. Joshua's joke went right over your head

5/25/2010 2:29:14 PM

don't wanna close my eyes...

5/25/2010 2:32:14 PM

^^
He was actually talking to me, I think.
Either way, that was a good movie.

5/25/2010 2:36:47 PM

I wonder if BP has insurance for this? Private sector insurance companies would require self regulation.

[Edited on May 25, 2010 at 3:07 PM. Reason : .]

5/25/2010 3:07:03 PM

they probably had insurance on the rig, but probably not on the spill. not enough to cover it im sure.

5/25/2010 3:36:43 PM

How has nobody posted about clean energy sources and moving away from oil? lol

5/25/2010 3:37:41 PM

moving to clean energy could be done in about 5 years but both dems and reps oppose it because it would cost them votes/money.

5/25/2010 3:39:06 PM

^i would vote for a republican if he/she promised renewables (and actually meant it as opposed to giving it the mandatory lip-service it gets every election).

5/25/2010 3:41:40 PM

^^I, too, believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.

5/25/2010 3:46:24 PM

Since no one seems to have mentioned it in the few posts I skimmed...

There was already extensive government regulations on offshore operations before the BP oil spill.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/natural_gas/feature_articles/2005/offshore/offshore.pdf

If this spill is suppose to be a damning indictment of the competence of BP, I don't see how one can't say the same for the U.S. government regulating its activities.

I'm not saying that this means further regulation or legislative changes would be ineffective, but if one wants to make the case for further government involvement I think they need to explain what was wrong with current regulations and why we think the government wont fuck up again.

Personally, this is why I prefer government action that doesn't require competent oversight. Ban ALL U.S. offshore drilling, imo. We already knew that fossil fuels was fucking up our climate, and now we can see how much drilling offshore can fuck over the ecosystem. So lets just fucking end it.

Don't Nationalize BP. GET OUT of the business all together. BAN DRILLING.

Of course, this would never happen because it would cost the politicians revenue and votes. Fuck BP and Fuck Unlce Sam.

[Edited on May 25, 2010 at 4:02 PM. Reason : This land was made for you and me.]

5/25/2010 3:53:48 PM

^^are you saying clean energy is impossible or that doing it in 5 years is impossible?

[Edited on May 25, 2010 at 3:54 PM. Reason : ^]

5/25/2010 3:54:08 PM

government regulators failed again??? Not possible!!! This means we need more government regulators!!!

5/25/2010 3:54:36 PM

Quote :

"they probably had insurance on the rig, but probably not on the spill. not enough to cover it im sure."

i can't remember where i heard this, but i think there is some law on the books which limits bp's liability. i have no clue what that cap is, but i think it exists. following this incident there have been talks of raising that limit or abolishing it completely. again, this was like passively absorbed mid-commute from npr, so take it with a grain of salt.

5/25/2010 3:54:39 PM

3 bill plan to fix energy in the US.

#1: Repeal the awful cap and trade bill that got passed a while back. its full of favoritism and other bullshit thats a waste of time. Replace it with a flat, inescapable carbon tax that increases over time.

#2: Provide 100% tax credits for wind/solar/geothermal/etc... systems up to 100% of average usage for individuals and businesses. DO NOT provide credits for batteries. Require all power suppliers to allow consumers to put power back onto the grid for credit at the price at time of generation.

#3: provide loans and/or other assistance to build new, modern nuclear reactors (pebble bed).

[Edited on May 25, 2010 at 4:09 PM. Reason : s]

5/25/2010 4:00:02 PM

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"are you saying clean energy is impossible or that doing it in 5 years is impossible?"

Mainly the 5 year thing. Just looking at automobiles alone, what exactly would you call clean? Anything with a substantial battery pack definitely isn't clean. Not to mention there aren't enough precious metals on earth to give everyone a Prius even if we wanted to.


Great idea Socks. BAN OFF SHORE DRILLING!

Have fun getting pissed off when a drilling accident by China, Mexico or Cuba fucks up our eco-system.

[Edited on May 25, 2010 at 4:46 PM. Reason : gimme some of that weed you must have]

[Edited on May 25, 2010 at 4:47 PM. Reason : k]

5/25/2010 4:44:59 PM

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"moving to clean energy could be done in about 5 years"

You are really dreaming there.

With the amount of regulations you couldnt build ONE nuclear plant in that time.

5/25/2010 4:52:54 PM

I really don't see why we shouldn't ban offshore drilling.

The only way we are going to get people to use less fossil fuels is by making them more expensive. This would certainly do that.

Why do we want people to use less fossil fuels? Well global warming for one. But offshore drilling is associated with environmental risks in its own right. Kill two birds with one stone--reduce carbon emissions and protect the gulf.

WHY AM I NOT PRESIDENT, YET?

[Edited on May 25, 2010 at 5:12 PM. Reason : ``]

5/25/2010 5:11:20 PM

give me dictators powers for 30 years and i will fix everything in this country.

5/25/2010 5:12:29 PM

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"How has nobody posted about clean energy sources and moving away from oil?"

http://www.energybulletin.net/node/52665

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"... windmills (...) operators in Europe may have become their own worst enemy, reducing the total price paid for electricity in Germany, Europe’s biggest power market, by as much as 5 billion euros some years... ... Spanish power prices fell an annual 26 percent in the first quarter because of the surge in supplies from wind and hydroelectric production..."

5/25/2010 6:14:03 PM

^that is from the pro-clean energy side right? If not then i'm having trouble seeing the problem with cheaper electricity from cleaner sources.

5/25/2010 6:22:51 PM