on my degree audit, one of the classes that was required is no longer taught any of the next 4 semesters.

What do I do now? See if there is a substitute class? can they just knock that one off the required classes list or what?

thanks

GN 411 by the way

7/28/2010 4:11:09 PM

email your advisor - he/she would know better than anyone else what to substitute for it

7/28/2010 4:42:21 PM

Possibly find a comparable class at another tech school, community college, or other university in the area and get a transfer credit or use the interinstitutional program with UNC or Duke if they offer the class, or find another school located anywhere that offers the class online.

I've had to do an online class to fulfill a req before when they only offered 2 required classes for my program at the same time.

7/28/2010 5:21:36 PM

GN411 has not been offered for two years.

It is now GN311 ...

"Core courses for all majors in the Department of Biology include BIO 181, BIO 183, GN 311 (formerly GN 411),"

As always ^^ ask your advisor.

7/28/2010 5:23:53 PM

Time to drop out and retry at another date

7/28/2010 5:25:42 PM

You might be using a Previous Degree Key. You can request to be moved into the new GEP degree key. Then it will update the courses you need to take.

[Edited on July 28, 2010 at 6:01 PM. Reason : ]

7/28/2010 5:50:22 PM

any clue how to do that? ^ because i think that would help.

7/28/2010 7:43:07 PM

talk to your advisor. Don't do anything until you do that. Don't sign up for similar classes. Don't sign up for the same course at another institution. Don't ask to move to a new degree key. Just talk to your advisor or at least someone in your department.

I was in a program that was revamped my senior year. Courses were eliminated, some were combined, new courses were added, and requirements were changed. new students and students who weren't that far into the program moved to the new key. I was in my senior year and the new key wouldn't have come close to matching my coursework and courses i needed for the old key weren't offered any longer.

Sat down with my advisor, who happened to be the dept. head, for about 45 minutes and got it taken care of.

Hejust substituted the correct courses for the changed courses. And for the course that I needed that wasn't offered any longer, he just had me take something else - but something specific. And I think there was one other that was gone and I needed, he just used a course I had already taken as a requirement in the old key that was no longer required in place of it. -- i think ultimately i may have ended up in the new key because it ended up requiring less changes. (we tried it using the old key and finishing out with the new courses as well as using the new key and using my old classes to replace things --- i think the latter turned out being easier).

he probably moved like 5-6 things around (some of them were just course numbers/designations that changed). But he got it all straightened and it didn't require me to really do anything but sit there while he figured it out.

So yeah, just talk to your advisor and they'll tell you what you need to do. If need be, they can "override" your degree key or substitute courses.

[Edited on July 28, 2010 at 7:55 PM. Reason : .]

7/28/2010 7:45:58 PM

Current students under the existing General Education Requirements (GER) have the option, with approval by the College, to move into the new GEP degree key for their major after consultation with their adviser to determine if the move would benefit the student in their course of study and length to graduation. Once a student moves into the GEP degree key, the student shall remain under the GEP requirements until completion of their degree.

7/28/2010 10:56:28 PM

gz390, I doubt GN 411 was a GER, but rather a core course... why do you keep talking about ger/gep? There's nothing to suggest this has anything to do with that.

And someone has said that GN 411 was designated GN 311.

Talk to your advisor man. This is one of the exact things that happened to me. The number for the course changed so they had to manually mark done that I'd taken the course b/c the course number I took did not match the course number on the key I was on.

There is probably no need to change degree keys. You just need to talk to you advisor and find out what course you need to take in place of GN 411 (probably 311) and have them handle it. an email would probably take care of it. If not, probably a brief face to face.

7/28/2010 11:22:33 PM

Actually GN 411 is in fact a GER course.
http://www.ncsu.edu/uap/academic-standards/ger/mns/nscocrs.htm#home
see #44.
You'll need to update to the new GEP so that the class will be recognized on the degree audit.

[Edited on July 28, 2010 at 11:36 PM. Reason : ]

7/28/2010 11:33:35 PM

hmm, maybe i'm missing something here.

that link appears to be a list of courses that count toward the Natural Sciences GER/GEP - whatever the hell they're calling it. It doesn't discern whether or not GN411 is one of his required classes or a GER in his major. And several courses on that list, while they may count as GERs for some students, were required courses for my major. So I know that there are courses on that list that are in fact required courses for some majors.

Maybe you're misunderstanding that, gz390. Even though some courses are GERs for some students, they're required for others. And the OP said this is a required class.

A major has required courses, elective courses within the major (a few courses within the program and sometimes in related programs), and ger courses (courses outside of your program and college which are intended to make you "well rounded."). Engineers have to take humanities, history education majors have to take a physical science, etc. And not too long ago, the way that worked was there were groups which you had to choose from. So say you needed 4 hrs of history, there was a list of courses you could choose from. You couldn't just take any history course. And each major had it's own lists.

Now, there was a problem because major X would require a history course from list A of while major Y would require a history course from group B. and for no good reason; if you were a math education major, Latin American history was OK but West African History was not (arbitrary ex. that may not even be true). This made it a major pain in the ass to change majors.

So that was part of the reason they came up with this GEP thing. So as far as I know, GER vs GEP only really impacts what General Education courses count toward your degree. It should have no impact on required courses. And, again, the OP did say this is a required course... it's actually in the thread title.

Apparently, his program changed the course number of one of his core classes. As I've stated, this happened to me while I was a student as well (for several courses). I asked my advisor about it, and it was taken care of within the day. They simply told me what course to take. and the other instance, since a course I had already taken was different on my new degree key, they went in and changed it so the course (with the old number) would count where it should.

I'm pretty sure this has nothing to do with GER/GEP stuff. It's simply that there is a required course for his major and the course number has been changed. He needs to make sure he signs up for the right course and that it counts in the GN 411 slot on his degree audit. I would be greatly surprised if it had anything to do with switching from GER to GEP or whatever.

This is why advisors exist.


If i'm wrong here, someone please tell me... someone other than gz390 that is. I don't have much faith in that kid (he may fail bowling after all, and his post history speaks volumes).

[Edited on July 29, 2010 at 12:40 AM. Reason : /]

7/29/2010 12:39:09 AM

This is a problem that the adviser will go "oh, ok, I see the problem", do some magic on their computer, and you will have credit. With regards to this GER/GEP stuff, I took a literature course that was not listed under the "Approved Courses" list to satisfy the literature humanity requirement. I talked to my adviser, she had me talk with the professor, then she did some magic and fixed it.

With a problem like this, especially with an easy fix shown by factotum, just get the adviser to do it. Trying to manipulate the computer system on your end may not go anywhere.

7/29/2010 3:38:08 AM

Classes can be GERs and required courses for majors. For the OP, it is probably listed under a category called "Natural Sciences" or similar but it is still required. If we knew what his actual degree key was it would be helpful in determining whether GER/GEP matters. For example, this previous degree key that shows 411 as a Natural Science GER
https://packtracks.acs.ncsu.edu/scripts/RegRec/adadgbk.pl?curr=BS&dgr_key=11SMB%20%202036%20&title=MICROBIOLOGY

The GEP is more flexible and allows for more choices of courses that can be taken so it would be wise to update to it.

[Edited on July 29, 2010 at 10:30 AM. Reason : ]

7/29/2010 10:20:28 AM

poultry science

and yes, I need to meet with my advisor I suppose...should be fun consider he is one of the busiest men at the university.

7/29/2010 11:50:41 AM

https://packtracks.acs.ncsu.edu/scripts/RegRec/adadgbk.pl?curr=BS&dgr_key=11SPS%20%202081%20&title=POULTRY%20SCIENCE%20%28SCIENCE%20CONC.%29

Old degree key shows it as GN 411

https://packtracks.acs.ncsu.edu/scripts/RegRec/adadgbk.pl?curr=BS&dgr_key=11SPS%20%202097%20&title=POULTRY%20SCIENCE%20%28SCIENCE%20CONC.%29

The GEP key requires 311 under Physical and Biological sciences meaning it is a GER in his major, which as you can see is different from the "departmental requirements" (required major courses)


[Edited on July 29, 2010 at 12:39 PM. Reason : ]

7/29/2010 12:34:45 PM

is that both the new and old keys?

if so...sweeeeeeeeet...thats what I had been calling around about all afternoon.

thanks.

7/29/2010 2:27:28 PM

^^^ if your advisor doesn't have time to meet with you, ask to see someone else


^^call it whatever you want. I wouldn't call a required course a GER. And it's listed as an elective on the first key. Elective doesn't necessarily = GER. And notice that on the new key, they didn't list it as a GEP course... because they realized required courses that they believe to be related to your major aren't really "general education." It doesn't matter though, at the end of the day, the course is specifically required for him - which is all i meant. And it's not the real issue. So if it helps; you're right, it's a GER.


what you don't know is how much changing keys could fuck other stuff up. The two keys are different in more ways than simply GN 411/311. They don't even require the same amount of coursework (one requires 120hrs the other 123).

The only thing that is obvious, is that the a course number was changed at some point. GN 411 was changed to GN 311 and it probably has nothing to do with the move from the GER to GEP key.

If he changes his degree key, sure that will self-correct. but iIf he switches on his own, he may go from 1 thing not matching up right to 10 things not matching up right. And then again, switching to the GEP key could make things easier for him.

Neither you nor I know which key would be better for him because we don't know about all the courses he's already taken, how they match up, etc. That's why he should not just switch keys simply because one lists the right course number. If everything lines up better with his current key, the department can easily resolve the course numbers not matching issue. They type some shit in a computer, sign a paper maybe, and it's done (I've done it). --- actually, i've got courses which didn't seem anywhere close to the required course/group for the degree key which count for that requirement. The dept./college can override all sorts of things if that if they want.


He needs to see someone in his department, or at least look it over really well himself with consideration to how is current courses all fit into the new key. You may be right that switching is ultimately the best choice. But you don't have all the info. needed to really make that decision. It's definitely not as simple as, the new key lists 311 and that's the current course number, so switch.

[Edited on July 29, 2010 at 2:54 PM. Reason : .]

7/29/2010 2:48:25 PM

switching to the new key helps TREMENDOUSLY with the work that I already have done.

alot of it matches up perfectly...theres only one or two courses that i have extra that wouldnt be accounted for and im sure my advisor would be able to override some of the new stuff and say the old stuff I did took its place.

thank you for this...big time thank you. I just got a lot happier knowing that I dont have to take these ridiculous classes it has me down for on the old key.

7/29/2010 3:05:57 PM

Yeah, like I said the new GEP is much more flexible than the old GER keys. Ask any adviser and they will tell you that is true. For many curriculum's you will have more options in your course selections and requirements have been relaxed.

I was told by a professer that they made the new GEP because many people are having trouble graduating in 4 years. Many people were taking longer to graduate compared to similar schools in the South which require almost a semester less of credit hours. That is why they made the new GEP, to make it easier for students to graduate on time by offering more options, although it doesn't reduce number of credit hours.

Transitioning to the new General Education Program:

http://www.ncsu.edu/uap/academic-standards/gep/Transition%20to%20the%20new%20General%20Education%20Program.pdf

[Edited on July 29, 2010 at 3:28 PM. Reason : ]

7/29/2010 3:20:30 PM

yeah. mainly because most students change majors and GERs did not match between programs. So switching majors often meant retaking GERs with no good explanation as to why one course counted and the other didn't.

I actually chose not to switch majors at one point because the GERs I'd taken for my first major didn't match up with the GERs in the second major and it would have taken me more than an additional semester to take the classes. --- the old system was seriously flawed. A lot of students were ending up with well over the 120-124 hrs typically required for a degree.

[Edited on July 29, 2010 at 5:06 PM. Reason : a]

7/29/2010 5:05:36 PM