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AlaskanGrown
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Is it on now somewhere? Bout to start here.

2/15/2011 7:30:16 PM

Skack
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I know the people know the answers to these questions because I know half of them. It seems like nobody can buzz in time. Watson is getting the first chance to answer every question.

[Edited on February 15, 2011 at 7:36 PM. Reason : l]

2/15/2011 7:35:47 PM

Hey_McFly
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i lol'ed at the collective gasp from the audience when Watson blew the final jeopardy question

2/15/2011 7:36:02 PM

AlaskanGrown
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WHY YOU GUYS RUINING MY JEOPARDY, also why does my jeopardy start at 7:30 instead of 7:00 like you guys.

2/15/2011 7:41:49 PM

mizzo
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^what he said

2/15/2011 7:42:32 PM

AndyMac
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BTW my cousin was on jeopardy a few years back and won 4 days in a row, racked up like $70,000

http://www.columbiamissourian.com/stories/2007/11/16/jeopardy-contest-has-answers/

2/15/2011 7:44:00 PM

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After watching tonight's episode, I'm pretty sure IBM is paying the humans to throw the game.

2/15/2011 8:16:48 PM

thegoodlife3
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what makes you say that?

they are obviously buzzing in, Watson is just faster

2/15/2011 8:19:17 PM

lewisje
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Terminator is out there: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQFXneSROf8#t=01m16s

2/15/2011 8:53:08 PM

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"does watson determine his own wager? "


definitely. i'm sure there's some algorithm that takes into account everyone's scores and such, hence the _exact_ wagers.

also there's an algorithm for figuring out which spaces are more likely to be daily doubles, hence the erratic picking

[Edited on February 15, 2011 at 9:48 PM. Reason : .]

2/15/2011 9:47:52 PM

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I want MIT to develop an implant for Ken Jennings' brain and then throw him up head to head against Watson.

Also, I know a girl who's last name is Watson and she is hot.

2/15/2011 10:02:55 PM

lewisje
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emma watson amirite

2/15/2011 10:11:40 PM

WolfAce
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"what makes you say that?

they are obviously buzzing in, Watson is just faster"


If by faster, you mean immediate, then yeah. I don't understand how the humans ever beat it to the button unless they have it occasionally programmed to 'lose' the grab. I don't see how it is fair at all given the total disadvantage with the clickers, a much better contest would involve them all answering the questions and seeing how many the humans got right versus Watson.

2/15/2011 10:17:24 PM

Nerdchick
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I, for one, welcome our new robot overlords

2/15/2011 10:23:28 PM

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"You can wager up to the highest valued question in that round. So $1k in Jeopardy $2k in double Jeopardy."


Right, if you have below 1k or 2k. If you have more than that you can wager up to whatever you have.

2/15/2011 10:25:20 PM

HaLo
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the whole contest won't determine if Watson is "smarter" than Jeopardy Champions

however, it is incredibly clear to me that Watson is AS smart as the Jeopardy Grand Champions

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"KEN JENNINGS :
Good human players do this all the time: you buzz when you see something that trips some "This looks familiar!" switch in your brain and count on dredging it out in the five seconds after Alex calls on you.

Watson can't do this: it only buzzes once it has an answer in mind and a sufficiently high confidence interval. As weird as it sounds, yes, the human brain still has a speed advantage over a 2,880-processor-core computer."

from Ken Jennings live-blog: http://live.washingtonpost.com/jeopardy-ken-jennings.html

realize that Watson realistically only gets ~3 seconds to determine the answer (the time it takes Alex to read the question), while the humans get 8 (3 for reading + 5 second countdown)

2/15/2011 10:28:46 PM

WolfAce
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That's cool and all, but watching it tonight it just does not seem to be the case at all. There were tons of questions that even I knew, and I know the two champs knew very easily, yet Watson always beat them on the clicker, Ken himself even got a smirky annoyed face toward the end after so many in a row.

2/15/2011 10:33:27 PM

AndyMac
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"the whole contest won't determine if Watson is "smarter" than Jeopardy Champions

however, it is incredibly clear to me that Watson is AS smart as the Jeopardy Grand Champions"


If by smart you mean "knows trivia"

2/15/2011 10:37:17 PM

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ugh emma watson with that short hair....

2/15/2011 10:40:12 PM

HaLo
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by smart I mean able to develop the answer to complex natural language questions. exactly what jennings and rutter are doing.

2/15/2011 10:44:49 PM

Nerdchick
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I agree that it's not really fair since Watson can respond way faster than a puny human

2/15/2011 10:45:29 PM

lewisje
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"ugh emma watson with that short hair...."
I ♥ androgyny

2/15/2011 10:47:35 PM

skokiaan
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I think this is horse shit. If it isn't going to do voice recognition, then it should get the text file after Trebek finishes.

You can't take out one of the hardest parts of the jeopardy problem and give the computer a huge advantage at getting input.

By the time Trebek is done reading, the fucking computer has processed the text file and come up with an answer, and it can out buzz a human every time.

This is an IBM infomercial. Fuck them

2/15/2011 10:52:29 PM

dweedle
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im wondering if the computer takes into account the category at all... i mean guessing "Toronto" for "US Cities"??

2/15/2011 10:57:46 PM

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Stupid 15 terabyte iPod.

2/15/2011 11:07:51 PM

icyhotpatch
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hehe

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"If you are the winner, would you be willing to sit with the Watson designers to improve the machine even further? If so, what would you suggest?


A.
Ken Jennings :

The Watson team told me two things after the match: that the idea for Watson was born after watching my 2004 streak on Jeopardy, and that they watched LOTS of tape of me while honing its skills. "There's a lot of you in Watson," one guy said. So I already feel like the Dr. Frankenstein here. If it goes amuck and kills humanity and stuff so sorry lolz my bad!
"

2/15/2011 11:13:28 PM

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"If by faster, you mean immediate, then yeah. I don't understand how the humans ever beat it to the button unless they have it occasionally programmed to 'lose' the grab. I don't see how it is fair at all given the total disadvantage with the clickers, a much better contest would involve them all answering the questions and seeing how many the humans got right versus Watson."

2/15/2011 11:23:59 PM

DoeoJ
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not sure if it has been said, but watson is physically mashing a clicker, for what its worth.

2/16/2011 12:02:23 AM

AndyMac
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"by smart I mean able to develop the answer to complex natural language questions. exactly what jennings and rutter are doing."


It's clearly not as good at that as the other two (or most any other fully functional/remotely educated human) based on some of the specatcular failures, but the advantage in sheer trivia knowledge and reaction speed makes up for it.

[Edited on February 16, 2011 at 1:34 AM. Reason : ]

2/16/2011 1:33:26 AM

GenghisJohn
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Please watch the special Nova just did on Watson. It's on the PBS app and probably online somewhere. Really good.

^dude it's not about trivia or any of that shit. This is a proof of concept and a sneak peek at what our future holds. A computer system that can understand what it is being asked and then reliably find the right answer? To be able to access an enormously vast amount of data that you could never hope to memorize? Imagine the implications of such a system in medicine, for example.

It's not perfect yet, but it is extremely impressive. It is way more than a simple search engine.

[Edited on February 16, 2011 at 2:50 AM. Reason : Lol nerds]

2/16/2011 2:41:42 AM

lewisje
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^watch online here: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/tech/smartest-machine-on-earth.html

2/16/2011 4:00:18 AM

Pikey
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"What is
TORONTO???????"

2/16/2011 7:46:04 AM

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2/16/2011 8:11:52 AM

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The beginning of the end..

2/16/2011 8:13:06 AM

AndyMac
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"^dude it's not about trivia or any of that shit. This is a proof of concept and a sneak peek at what our future holds. A computer system that can understand what it is being asked and then reliably find the right answer? To be able to access an enormously vast amount of data that you could never hope to memorize? Imagine the implications of such a system in medicine, for example.

It's not perfect yet, but it is extremely impressive. It is way more than a simple search engine. "


Yeah I know why it was built, but I'm saying it's not as smart as a human. It's very impressive for a computer though.

2/16/2011 9:45:00 AM

DoubleDown
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^ how do you measure 'smart'?

2/16/2011 9:57:13 AM

justinh524
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"so sorry lolz my bad!"

2/16/2011 10:10:07 AM

Skack
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I wonder who would win a Jeopardy match between Watson and Smarterchild?

2/16/2011 10:22:02 AM

dharney
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"realize that Watson realistically only gets ~3 seconds to determine the answer (the time it takes Alex to read the question), while the humans get 8 (3 for reading + 5 second countdown)"


good point. score humans!

2/16/2011 10:50:01 AM

Slave Famous
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Not impressed. Let me know when they design a computer that can beat humans in freestyle rap battles.

2/16/2011 10:52:14 AM

Wraith
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^It would sound like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6H0i1RAdHk

2/16/2011 10:59:17 AM

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"by smart I mean able to develop the answer to complex natural language questions."


actually, it's developing the question to complex natural language answers.

2/16/2011 1:49:16 PM

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i am enjoying this

lolz humans got the ikea question.

[Edited on February 16, 2011 at 7:04 PM. Reason : .]

2/16/2011 7:03:31 PM

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"KEN

IS

PISSED"

2/16/2011 7:06:59 PM

khcadwal
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ken is so pissed

i just watched last nights and he was glaring at watson like the entire time

lol

p.s. SHIFT you stupid men/computers

[Edited on February 16, 2011 at 7:11 PM. Reason : .]

2/16/2011 7:10:37 PM

amac884
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delete key encryption home is where the heart is

2/16/2011 7:13:36 PM

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I FOR ONE WELCOME OUR NEW COMPUTER OVERLORDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111

2/16/2011 7:27:14 PM

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^

2/16/2011 7:32:30 PM

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Quote :
"If by faster, you mean immediate, then yeah. I don't understand how the humans ever beat it to the button unless they have it occasionally programmed to 'lose' the grab. I don't see how it is fair at all given the total disadvantage with the clickers, a much better contest would involve them all answering the questions and seeing how many the humans got right versus Watson."


There are several posts on the IBM blog explaining this. First, watson can't always have an answer ready by the end of the question - so he doesn't ring in until he has an answer.

Also, on stage there is a light that "enables" the clickers. When this light comes on can be anticipated to some degree by the humans, but watson has to wait to verify signal.

Last, you can see on the shorter questions watson getting owned. He wasn't able to come up with answers fast enough - chronicled by the whipping he was receiving in early parts of rounds today. If you had a board stacked with short questions he'd never win.

2/16/2011 8:51:10 PM

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I didn't read the thread, but I'd be interested in hearing about the algorithm used to determine what he wagers for double jeopardy and final jeopardy.

2/16/2011 9:00:14 PM

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