So I moved into my friends house. He owns it and we verbally agreed on rent and half of the utilities. there was no contract or lease because it was a "gentlemens agreement". When I moved in, pretty much all the furniture in the house is his. Only thing here thats mine is whats in my bedroom and kitchen items and this one large L shaped desk. its big enough that we decided where it could go and said this works. its been there for 6 or 7 months now. He has done plenty of work to the house to try and make it more valuable by adding a few jobs outside and also just recently doing some kitchen work. Currently, his plan is to renovate the front office space and turn it into a real office. By putting large doors that would help make it sound proof and cleaning out a bunch of junk in it. At this moment he already has one desk in it but was trying to tell me he wants to move my large L desk in there as well. I know that if he removes enough items....that the desk would be so tight in there that we would both be back to back and uncomfortable....not a good place to study.

He said when he first brought it up i disrespected him by saying no.
So his decision was that its his house and either I can move my desk into that room away from the location we said was fine 6 months ago or I should start looking for a new place to live. He says he can tell me where stuff goes and he has final say on the matter. He says its because he wants to make the house more presentable but in reality atleast two of the rooms are in shambles and hes not going to do anything to them.

We live in florida and I looked up the rules and didnt find anything on anything of this type of situation. is there anyone that can tell me what I can do? Whether I have a case for anything?

I know this much: He has to give me written notice of eviction regardless that the initial contract was verbal. I know he cant make me move the desk but in reality he could just say he doesnt want me to live there anymore.
Is there anyway that from forcing me to move out that I can sue him for anything?
Part of the problem is he is a few weeks ahead of me in our training, we are both in flight school for the military. Me moving out doesnt harm him but it definitely causes me to have a lot of undo stress.

anyone have any constructive advice?

3/3/2011 4:38:56 PM

It is a fucking desk. Just move it in there and when it doesn't fit right, tell the landlord that he is a douche and you were correct in the first place. No reason to screw up a friendship and cause undo stress over the location of a desk.

3/3/2011 4:44:52 PM

If you're friends and a fucking desk is making you consider legal action, you've got bigger fish to fry. I'd say vacate the premises asap and find someone else to live with who isn't such a schizo.

3/3/2011 4:45:58 PM

If it is that big of a deal just let him move it. It probably isn't worth the hassle of moving out and finding a new place. Are you able to put the desk in your bedroom? If you are renting from him technically you are renting the bedroom so you should be able to do whatever you want in there as long as it isn't disturbing anyone.

3/3/2011 4:47:15 PM

start looking for a new place. if he wants to be a bitch about something that small it is probably best to get out now

3/3/2011 4:48:24 PM

^

3/3/2011 4:51:10 PM

For this much furor over a desk....50 bucks this is WoW related.

3/3/2011 4:51:37 PM

you are not your fucking desk

3/3/2011 4:51:47 PM

4 options:

cram the desk in the room, be cramped, kiss and make up
get a smaller desk, kiss and make up
gtfo
have a fight to the death for ownership of the desk, room and house

3/3/2011 5:20:31 PM

sorry you always sign a lease friend or no friend. it is his house. Also ya I would look for a new place.

3/3/2011 5:37:16 PM

pretty much everything I was going to say has been said

3/3/2011 5:49:47 PM

i thought the discussion we were having on it was fine....but he started saying a bunch of negligent bs and i was like. dude its a desk sitting in this corner for 6 months or being really uncomfortable. i tried to be reasonable but he came out with....if u dont wanna move it, look for a new place. im supposed to be a friend but thats what made it a big deal. i wouldnt have moved but he went that far.

3/3/2011 7:58:04 PM

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"It is a fucking desk. Just move it in there and when it doesn't fit right, tell the landlord that he is a douche and you were correct in the first place. No reason to screw up a friendship and cause undo stress over the location of a desk."

This.



Also, what if it actually works, and fits, and you aren't too crammed?




Honestly it sounds like there are probably other underlying issues here, though. You should probably get to the bottom of THAT shit first.



At the end of the day, it is the dude's house and you have to respect that. If he wants a piece of furniture a certain way in the house, that's his call. Maybe he's being a bitch about it. Actually, yes, he is being a bitch about it..... but it is his fucking house.

[Edited on March 3, 2011 at 8:01 PM. Reason : .]

3/3/2011 7:59:10 PM

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"you always sign a lease friend or no friend."

Exactly. A "gentlemen's agreement", as you called it, will mean squat if you want to take anything to court. You have no real legal say in the situation, unless you have something in writing.

Trying to sue him will likely result in you being kicked out of the house pronto, and you losing in court. There is not much you can do besides move the desk. Would you rather take his crap about a desk, or find a new place and pay for legal fees?

3/3/2011 8:02:39 PM

i told im if he cleaned up the area, showed me where the desk would be and we could see how much room we actually have. if there is plenty of room and im wrong, yea ill move it in there. but i dont see how we would have any room to move with our desks in there. his response, "end state, its gonna go in there or start lookin for a new place."

yea i know if he doesnt want me to live with him than he can say that. he just has to give me a certain amount of time atleast and if necessary, a written eviction notice is required by law.

i didnt see how it was such a big deal but there def is some underlying stuff that is the reason he is doing this. im an excellent roommate staying very clean and not being loud, im real considerate about watching tv or how we interact. its more or less about his attitude and personality and that i dont let him be the alpha male in a way.

its just so inconvenient to me with me starting this training. he knows it and i think is just doing this to get at me for something.

3/3/2011 8:13:54 PM

Just move the damn desk for now and look for another place to live immediately.

3/3/2011 8:16:56 PM

i have another place to live, its just when i can do it

3/3/2011 8:19:44 PM

move the desk

now

3/3/2011 8:19:52 PM

oh and there is no place to move it right now, the "office" is still packed with stuff so we couldnt do it anyway. its gotta sit there but im moving because of him now, not cause i wont move the desk.

3/3/2011 8:21:34 PM

i'm with kiljadn on this one.

3/3/2011 8:24:28 PM

i told him it was is choice to do whatever he wanted with the house but my desk is not under his decisions....if its going to be moved it would have to be ok with both of us. since we already decided it was fine there....moving it now is a joint decision. but anything else he can do on his own.

3/3/2011 8:40:56 PM

Your housemate sounds like he's on a serious power trip.

3/3/2011 9:32:09 PM

yea, i could say plenty about him. hes an ok guy but obsessed with his own agenda, money.

a nice selfish and inconsiderate person.

his answer to a question about friends, "yea ill be friends with anyone that wants to be my friend because you never know who you might beable to use in the future."

anyways yea, most of me and his friends here have realized its kinda a joke now how he acts

3/3/2011 10:10:51 PM

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" his response, "end state, its gonna go in there or start lookin for a new place.""

get this straight: he is not a "friend" if he talks like that. gtfo, stat.

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"yea ill be friends with anyone that wants to be my friend because you never know who you might beable to use in the future"

a) again, gtfo, stat.
b) why would you be friends with someone like that anyway?

3/3/2011 11:00:01 PM

I bet he is going to be confused when he is an old man and everyone hates him.

3/3/2011 11:01:27 PM

i got some closure and he basically said sorry and all but im not living with him and we both prefer that route.

hes no longer a friend of mine and to say it simply, ill make sure those who ask know the truth, esp those that are friends of both of ours. but most people do, thats why he doesnt hang out with many anymore, everyone knows him well enough now to leave him behind. his reputation will be his undoing and he wont last long in our line of work.

3/3/2011 11:32:27 PM

Just move to Gov's Gate like the rest of you kids.. you don't want drama during API!

3/3/2011 11:53:01 PM

someone seems to be using the word "friend" quite loosely, cause i know i wouldn't get in a fight with any of mine over something like moving a damned desk

3/4/2011 12:57:40 AM

Am i the only one who thinks Datman is the one in the wrong? It is his friends house, he can put shit wherever he wants. If he was reorganizing the living room and wanted to move something of yours, would you start complaining about that too? It sounds like he is making an attempt to make his house more organized and not have your huge desk wherever it is now and have an office. I see no reason why you cant just try putting the desk in there and see how it goes, and if you dont like it, then ask if you can move it back or somewhere else.

If you have squabbles with roommates over stuff like this, you need to live alone because you have to make compromises to have roommates.

and as my dad used to tell me "It is my house, and if you dont like it, you can move out"

3/4/2011 7:36:22 AM

What a bizarre situation

3/4/2011 7:42:52 AM

ahahaha datman broke up with the guy.

3/4/2011 8:27:00 AM

So "sand in your vaginia"-itis in this thread

3/4/2011 8:38:26 AM

^^^^Personally I think they are both in the wrong to a certain extent. It seems petty for both of them to let the situation escalate as described. I mean being so controlling as to give this ultimatum is neither good practice as a landlord nor as a friend. Saying your tenant/friend disrespected you by having a disagreement is also in bad form (what is he, the fucking godfather?). From datman's side I think it is rather inconsiderate to just outright deny such a request from your friend/landlord. The room wasn't even cleaned up to the point of actually being able to move it and test it out. At worst he should have just taken the stance that he doesn't think it would work but is willing to try at his friend/landlord's request. If I had to say, I would go with the landlord being more wrong though. Just because you own the property and are the landlord does not (or should not) give you the ultimate say in roommate type decisions (if datman wasn't paying rent/1/2 of the utils it would be different though).

[Edited on March 4, 2011 at 8:53 AM. Reason : ]

3/4/2011 8:45:37 AM

Not really sure if i want this guy operating $30 million worth of taxpayer aircraft.

3/4/2011 9:07:33 AM

I see what you are saying, and i understand the whole landlord/tenant thing. They both seem like they are being stubborn and there is more of an underlying issue(flight school).

Its just a desk, im not sure why he cant just get over it and move it.

If one of my friends was living with me and he tried to tell me how to organize the house that i own, i would tell him that he can GTFO. I understand that he is paying rent and has legal recourse to be in the house, but at the end of the day, it is my house and i am the one that owns it.

And you are in flight school for the military, you should be having 16 hour days, i dont understand where you have time to complain about your roommate. If you arent going to be able to study in the same room as somebody else, you sure as fuck are not going to cut it in flight school. Go study in the vault if it will bother you so much.

constructive advice:
quit being such a bitch and move your desk, get through your flight school and then GTFO. This is only a temporary living situation anyways, just fucking suck it up. You can more than afford to live by yourself on your BAH as an officer, but you decided to have a roommate for some reason. It scares me that you will be at the helm of a plane for our military but you have to ask the internet for advice about where to put your desk.

3/4/2011 9:23:49 AM

This is absurd. As the room was never cleaned up, and may never have become clean enough to move the desk, you could have easily said "sure, for you I will try it once you have cleaned" and then left the damn desk where it is.

Sometimes, to get along one needs to go along. Humans are often irrational. I'm sure he puts up with your irrational shit once in a while. Only fair for you to put up with his.

3/4/2011 9:23:59 AM

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"Am i the only one who thinks Datman is the one in the wrong? It is his friends house, he can put shit wherever he wants. If he was reorganizing the living room and wanted to move something of yours, would you start complaining about that too? It sounds like he is making an attempt to make his house more organized and not have your huge desk wherever it is now and have an office. I see no reason why you cant just try putting the desk in there and see how it goes, and if you dont like it, then ask if you can move it back or somewhere else. If you have squabbles with roommates over stuff like this, you need to live alone because you have to make compromises to have roommates. and as my dad used to tell me "It is my house, and if you dont like it, you can move out""

You probably are the only one. Did you pay your dad rent?? Because that's the only way you can use that statement in regards to this situation.

The OP is paying rent to live in that house. Just because the landlord also lives in there doesn't give him carte blanche to do whatever the fuck he wants. Anytime there is a proposal to do something in the house (move some furniture, move someone's desk into a new room), they should talk about it and try and come to an agreement. At first it sounded like datman was kinda being a little bitch and unreasonable (just let the guy move the desk in there and laugh in his face when it doesn't fit), but now it sounds like the landlord just sucks.

Oh...and I don't know Florida Landlord/Tenant law, but the landlord usually has to give you 30 days after an eviction. And this seems like a month-to-month tenancy, so that sounds about right. Sign a lease next time.

3/4/2011 9:26:51 AM

I didnt pay my dad rent, (was just using the phrase) and i do understand the legal recourse required to make him leave, but at the end of the day it is not his house. I know that the landlord can not force him to move his desk, but if you are debating moving out versus sucking it up and just moving the desk, you have bigger underlying problems with having a roommate.

He also has free legal from JAG on base, im sure they have an answer to all of the legal parts. Def should have put something in writing to help protect yourself.

You admit that "he wants to make the house more presentable" yet you are unwilling to move your desk to accommodate?

3/4/2011 9:44:14 AM

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"You admit that "he wants to make the house more presentable" yet you are unwilling to move your desk to accommodate?"

It's not in the details...it's in the overall situation. His landlord is a dick. He's either (a) doing this so he can kick datman out or (b) just being completely unreasonable.

If he really wanted the house "more presentable" he would first fix the two rooms that are in shambles and not put a gigantic desk in a small room to make it look like a closet.

IMO, datman should have just put the desk in their to prove the guy wrong. But when your roommate/landlord asks you to move your desk into a room, you refuse by saying it's not going to fit, and they reply with "move it in there or you can get out, this is my house", then the landlord is ultimately in the wrong.

3/4/2011 9:50:07 AM

Point taken, im not trying to debate legal aspects of it(you are the attorney ) Im just not sure why or how this has escalated to a legal matter. They are both military officers and yet they lack the resolution skills to work through this simple problem.

My landlord asked me to not park my car on the road in front of the house. I know that i legally can park my car there, and it is more convenient to park my car there, but he asked and i obliged so that he would be happy. I personally would value my friendship and landlord/tenant relationship more than the location of a desk.

lack of social skills from OP and landlord ITT

they both need to grow up and talk it out and figure out a resolution

3/4/2011 10:15:19 AM

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"lack of social skills from OP and landlord ITT they both need to grow up and talk it out and figure out a resolution"

True dat. Pretty much what it all comes down to.

3/4/2011 10:18:20 AM

I too think datman is being a little bitch about the situation. Reminds me of the shit my girlfriend and her roommates would get into pms-fueled arguments about.

[Edited on March 4, 2011 at 11:32 AM. Reason : M]

3/4/2011 11:31:03 AM

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"NOT THREAD WORTHY"

3/4/2011 12:13:03 PM

If it's not in your room or bathroom he can rearrange anything he wants. He owns the house. If you two were renting together than it would be a different issue.

3/4/2011 2:15:46 PM

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"Just move to Gov's Gate like the rest of you kids.. you don't want drama during API! "

i am in advanced helos

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"Am i the only one who thinks Datman is the one in the wrong? It is his friends house, he can put shit wherever he wants. If he was reorganizing the living room and wanted to move something of yours, would you start complaining about that too? It sounds like he is making an attempt to make his house more organized and not have your huge desk wherever it is now and have an office. I see no reason why you cant just try putting the desk in there and see how it goes, and if you dont like it, then ask if you can move it back or somewhere else. "

and to all the other bitch statements.

I said to him that once he cleaned it up and got it right, we could see what space was there and yea the desk would probably fit but there would be almost no room to move within the space. My desk is huge and it would have to be disassembled and put back together to get it in the room.
we have 6 months left and i thought it was unnecessary.

yea i know he can do whatever he wants with the place, but he cannot move something if it doesnt belong to him and he already said it was fine where it was. the desk is not in any place that is bothersome or in the way. he says its an eye sore. if yall want, ill show you pictures of where it is and the small office. the reasons he gave for wanting to move it was that people would see it, even though no one comes over to the house, and the houses value would be higher. hes not going to sell the house, he is gonna rent it to some friends when we get out.

yea i was reasonable enough to say i dont think it will fit and once he showed me that it could and show me there is enough room to be comfortable then i would be ok.

HE said regardless it was going to be put in there or i needed to find a new place. so there are a few legal matters about evicting me. but this person has always tried to show that he is dominant, always right, and is top dog. he constantly talks about thinks his dad does or hes done (things his dad did but he was around for) and simply talks a lot of shit about how great he is. numerous occassions he acts like his knowledge and things are better even when proven wrong.

so after 4 months of joking and just pushing it to the side, i said no...im not going to move my desk unless you prove it. ive let him do everything he wants cause i respected his house and wishes. but his inconsiderate attitude and constant bs pushed me to say no unless he showed me the truth.

he basically refused to clean up the room and do the work to show me and really just said its going in there or get out. so, yea maybe i bitch but its warranted.

everyone has some issues and its pretty simple that we have some personality issues between us. that wasnt an issue....little things that came up from living together, wasnt an issue. but to him they were and compounded and he said this was the tipping point. if thats what did it and hes willing to toss a friend out....then i do worry about him.

you can worry all you want about me but i know my superiors are very satisfied with my work as a student naval aviator and as an officer. ive given him options and ive tried to appeal to his reasoning but he even said, he is a very stubborn person and wont back down from most things. so much im not longer a friend nor a roommate.

we both said we could have handled things better but it was only blown up because he refused to try to show me it would work and said it was either his way or the highway.....well after 7 months i was done walking through his bs.

call me a bitch if u want but its all a biased opinion and im sure many of you have had something happened where u dealt with someone like this or u were the person like that.

[Edited on March 4, 2011 at 3:39 PM. Reason : .]

3/4/2011 3:20:21 PM

If the guy is a giant douche why did you move in with him?

3/4/2011 8:25:25 PM

i wanna see pictures

please post some pictures

3/4/2011 8:49:52 PM

You guys really shouldn't question his ability to be a Navy Officer. Maybe if it was some other field, but if you're an aviator all you really do is fly planes. It's like a big video game.

3/4/2011 11:44:02 PM

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"call me a bitch if u want but its all a biased opinion"

One of the great advantages of asking tww for help is that your asking folks you don't know. They don't know you, don't know your roommate, they don't have any reason to lie to you, and unlike a personal friend folks on tww won't rephrase or sugar coat their opinion so you don't get your feelings hurt. Call me crazy but that would make the opinions voiced here arguably far less biased. So when you come on here and ask for "constructive advice" don't discredit the opinions of those who disagree with you, especially if the feedback your hearing is similar.

3/5/2011 2:52:38 AM

^^marine and its not anything like a video game. UAV and fly by wire aircraft can have more of that gamer feel to it. but the aircraft ive been in so far are not "easy" to fly

^and yea i know im asking for advice and im very aware of what it means to make this thread. but seriously there are some things that fall in the line of giving constructive advice or just giving your opinion. but bringing up whether they are confident we fly planes is another thing, thats annoying when the discussion gets off topic.

also, i didnt know he was a doucher. we hadnt experienced enough with him to find that out. now that certain events have occurred, his personality came out a bit more is all.
i wouldnt ever move in with someone that i didnt think i could live with and i thought was a good person. thats why i dont like living with people i dont know.

[Edited on March 5, 2011 at 12:38 PM. Reason : n]

3/5/2011 12:32:45 PM