lewisje All American 9196 Posts user info edit post |
Depending on how I answered a couple questions I wasn't so sure about, I got Solid Liberal, Post-Modern, or Libertarian: http://people-press.org/typology/quiz/
The other categories are Bystander, Disaffected, New Coalition Democrat, Hard-Pressed Democrat, Main Street Republican, and Staunch Republican; to make the typology, first the Bystanders (those who weren't registered to vote and had no intention of voting) were removed, and then the rest of the participants in the survey this quiz was excerpted from were assorted using cluster analysis into 8 groups by using scores on 9 different political scales. 5/7/2011 9:12:31 AM |
spöokyjon ℵ 18617 Posts user info edit post |
What category does it make me if I got pissed off at the questions and didn't finish the quiz? 5/7/2011 9:25:06 AM |
Chance Suspended 4725 Posts user info edit post |
Post Modern 5/7/2011 10:20:34 AM |
lazarus All American 1013 Posts user info edit post |
Post-Moderns 5/7/2011 10:31:53 AM |
rbrthwrd Suspended 3125 Posts user info edit post |
Post-Modern
question 20 is bs, i didn't know how to answer it 5/7/2011 10:36:25 AM |
McDanger All American 18835 Posts user info edit post |
sigh what a shitty, inadequate poll
"where do you lie right of center?" 5/7/2011 10:38:02 AM |
Chance Suspended 4725 Posts user info edit post |
Your whole "I'm the most radical militant leftist in the land" shtick is boring and lame.
When did you develop such an infantile political ideology anyway? You've managed to bring the whole hipster-academia-liberal-nutjob stereotype that people sort of joke about but didn't actually think really existed or took seriously into full 1080p 3d color...and I think we're matter of factly repulsed at what we see.
[Edited on May 7, 2011 at 10:49 AM. Reason : l] 5/7/2011 10:49:08 AM |
McDanger All American 18835 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Your whole "I'm the most radical militant leftist in the land" shtick is boring and lame." |
I'm not remotely "militant" last time I checked I stick to my work. The point remains that the entire American political discussion is truncated.
Quote : | "When did you develop such an infantile political ideology anyway? You've managed to bring the whole hipster-academia-liberal-nutjob stereotype that people sort of joke about but didn't actually think really existed or took seriously into full 1080p 3d color...and I think we're matter of factly repulsed at what we see." |
lol your ignorance is a marvelous spectacle
why is it right-wingers have such remarkable little exposure to their own political intellectual history?
The problem with people like you is that you assume I'm clueless just like yourself. When you say things like this you seem remarkably fucking stupid to anybody who's read even 1/10th of political economy from the modern era
[Edited on May 7, 2011 at 11:03 AM. Reason : .]5/7/2011 11:01:53 AM |
Chance Suspended 4725 Posts user info edit post |
What am I being ignorant of? I've seen about 5 references in the past week or so where you've made it a point to say that the current crop of (undefined) liberals aren't liberal as if we should give you some hemp award or something.
Quote : | "political intellectual history?" |
What are you even babbling about? I'll assure you right wingers don't have a monopoly on whatever it is you're getting at.5/7/2011 11:06:11 AM |
McDanger All American 18835 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "What am I being ignorant of? I've seen about 5 references in the past week or so where you've made it a point to say that the current crop of (undefined) liberals aren't liberal as if we should give you some hemp award or something." |
I said they're not leftists. Other than being generally ignorant of what I type (being happy to substitute in what you imagine me to say?) you are ignorant of the established possibility space of political (and economic) positions.
If you honestly think I'm a petulant little shit-head for pointing this out over and over again, then you reveal yourself to be a gullible fool, soaking up the US narrative rather than reading and finding out for yourself.
I seriously wonder what you spend your time on because it's clearly not reading, and you're clearly not an intellectually curious individual. You're waste of time, but maybe somebody else will realize through this demonstration that 10+ years of empty pontification on the internet results in as much ignorance as it started with. Fuck off I'm done5/7/2011 11:12:04 AM |
Charybdisjim All American 5486 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "sigh what a shitty, inadequate poll" |
Yeah on at least 3 questions I found myself thinking "no, both of those answers are equally stupid and wrong." Many others were merely inadequate and overly reliant on the presentation of only 2 choices. It's not just the lack of a gradation between the two sides, but the false assumption that there are not 3rd or 4th answers that fall outside the traditional and limited left v. right.
[Edited on May 7, 2011 at 12:18 PM. Reason : ]5/7/2011 12:14:08 PM |
Chance Suspended 4725 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "you are ignorant of the established possibility space of political" |
Not in the least.
Quote : | "I'm a petulant little shit-head for pointing this out over and over again" |
No, I think you're a petulant little shit-head for other reason. You aren't pointing it out here to educate anyone or even care what anyone else thinks. You're here to be play an elitist academic who routinely lets us know he is too good to post here...but still does.
Quote : | "you're clearly not an intellectually curious individual" |
However false this may be, lets assume that it's true. To what ends? So I can go to a defunct message board and feel confident I know more than the other guy on the end of the internets? You somehow looking down your nose at me because I'm not as studied in the areas you choose to be as studied in? Well fuck dude...let me start listing out all the shit you are clueless in and point and laugh on the internet. Really?5/7/2011 12:31:53 PM |
rbrthwrd Suspended 3125 Posts user info edit post |
McDanger has become a caricature of himself 5/7/2011 12:37:20 PM |
d357r0y3r Jimmies: Unrustled 8198 Posts user info edit post |
What an absurd questionnaire. With many of those "choices," both were dead wrong. The left to right political spectrum is outdated, and has largely been used to pit Americans against each other. 5/7/2011 1:22:29 PM |
lazarus All American 1013 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "you are ignorant of the established possibility space of political (and economic) positions" |
The grammar of this statement may have caused me to misunderstand it, but if you're saying what I think you're saying, you're being hypocritical. Your dependence on terms like "right-winger" in this forum - even when responding to classically liberal/leftist/radical positions - seem to indicate it is you who have an overly narrow understanding of the range of political identities in this country.5/7/2011 1:46:02 PM |
AndyMac All American 31922 Posts user info edit post |
Some of these "Who They Are" facts are basically "Let us help you stereotype people" facts. Like the percentage that follow NASCAR. Is that important at all in this discussion? 5/7/2011 1:47:34 PM |
red baron 22 All American 2166 Posts user info edit post |
I got Libertarian 5/7/2011 2:06:40 PM |
nastoute All American 31058 Posts user info edit post |
I got Solid Liberal.
It's funny because I generally think of myself as being a bit more right than that. 5/7/2011 3:28:47 PM |
NCSUJAK Veteran 266 Posts user info edit post |
Post-modern 5/7/2011 3:30:41 PM |
0EPII1 All American 42541 Posts user info edit post |
Post-Modern 5/7/2011 4:42:05 PM |
marko Tom Joad 72828 Posts user info edit post |
Dixiecrat 5/7/2011 5:16:37 PM |
crocoduck Veteran 114 Posts user info edit post |
Post Modern 5/7/2011 5:30:45 PM |
theDuke866 All American 52839 Posts user info edit post |
If you look at this just slightly deeper than the immediate face value of the questions themselves, it is absolutely not a simple left/right dichotomy-type spectrum. The only reason it separates the different types into shades of red/blue is that we have 2 major political parties in the U.S., and the groups it outlines tend towards one party or the other (although many of the groups diverge significantly from the platform of the party that they are most oriented towards. That doesn't mean it is simply creating a linear spectrum, categorizing each group as varying degrees of left/right.
For my part, I got categorized as a libertarian, and the descriptions of "who they are" and "what they believe" describe me exactly. This is despite the fact that, on a number of questions, I looked at the two answers and said "These are damned near equally terrible viewpoints."
The "magic" isn't in the questions--they certainly aren't comprehensive, wide-ranging, or constructed to recognize subtleties/grey areas/nuances. The way that the analysis of the responses is conducted doesn't require that sort of questionnaire. Some of you may remember a thread or two I made a while back--neither of which ever really got good discussion or a satisfactory answer--about why people believe what they believe, in terms of predictive association of ideologically unrelated issues. This is addressed--at least statistically, if not philosophically or psychologically--by the "cluster analysis" of the responses.
Additionally, McDanger is a huge douche. 5/7/2011 5:38:09 PM |
FenderFreek All American 2805 Posts user info edit post |
I got Post-Modern, but I feel like several of the questions were a "false dichotomy" of sorts, for instance the "Government should do whatever it takes to protect the environment" or "The Government has gone too far in protecting the environment". My personal belief is that we should do anything that is economically feasible and that there is still much that we can do, but that middle ground is not accurately represented by the given choices. there were a couple others like that, but you will know them when you see them. 5/7/2011 5:38:21 PM |
theDuke866 All American 52839 Posts user info edit post |
Read my post made 12 seconds before yours. 5/7/2011 5:41:24 PM |
mrfrog ☯ 15145 Posts user info edit post |
post modern 5/7/2011 6:32:57 PM |
eyedrb All American 5853 Posts user info edit post |
Libertarian 5/7/2011 8:23:55 PM |
adultswim Suspended 8379 Posts user info edit post |
Many questions didn't represent my opinion either way,and I didn't agree with the outcome, but I got Post-Modern 5/7/2011 8:35:29 PM |
lewisje All American 9196 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "The left to right political spectrum is outdated" | Pew agrees with you; the clusters were based on a model that uses 9 axes.
[Edited on May 7, 2011 at 10:24 PM. Reason : Also the original survey had a lot more than just 20 questions.5/7/2011 10:23:31 PM |
Shaggy All American 17820 Posts user info edit post |
retarded poll 5/7/2011 10:26:36 PM |
PinkandBlack Suspended 10517 Posts user info edit post |
bag of dicks 5/9/2011 4:35:35 PM |
EuroTitToss All American 4790 Posts user info edit post |
Hmmm... one of the least religious, most well educated, and youngest types. Big surprise:
Post Modern 5/9/2011 7:09:58 PM |
NeuseRvrRat hello Mr. NSA! 35376 Posts user info edit post |
Most questions didn't represent my opinion either way
but i got libertarian 5/9/2011 9:22:10 PM |
Supplanter supple anteater 21831 Posts user info edit post |
Post-Modern 5/9/2011 10:05:45 PM |
theDuke866 All American 52839 Posts user info edit post |
Funny how the responses have been all but exclusively "libertarian" and "post-modern". If that's at all representative of where the country will be headed with the ascent into power of our generation(s), then that's actually encouraging.
Maybe someday I will get to vote again. 5/9/2011 10:54:39 PM |
rbrthwrd Suspended 3125 Posts user info edit post |
its pretty hard to not be one of those with the poll questions 5/9/2011 11:11:14 PM |
IMStoned420 All American 15485 Posts user info edit post |
National Socialist 5/10/2011 3:52:58 AM |
lewisje All American 9196 Posts user info edit post |
^^^Keep in mind that idiots enemies of freedom social conservatives are poorly represented here; almost all of us have graduated from college or will soon, so we would naturally fit into "Solid Liberal" or "Post-Modern" or "Libertarian" (mainly based on just how poorly we think of the government trying to help people, and how problematic we think racism still is).
OTOH poor rural folk with little education are more likely to be socially conservative and economically liberal, like a "Hard-Pressed Democrat" or "Disaffected"; the "Staunch Republicans" are actually a little better-educated than the general public, but still they are not prominent here either. Similarly, the "Main Street Republicans" and "New Coalition Democrats" are fairly socially conservative, but they're also more likely to be out running their own small businesses or something, and also they are poorly educated.
Finally, the "Bystander" group (not a possible result in the quiz but used in the survey to filter out the politically disengaged) mostly consists of young adults, including high-school dropouts, people still in high school, apathetic lower-division college students, and felons and other folks who can't even vote; a substantial number of posters on TWW would fit into that group, and like its underlying demographics, it trends slightly liberal. 5/10/2011 5:26:58 AM |
BridgetSPK #1 Sir Purr Fan 31378 Posts user info edit post |
I liked the poll. I didn't agree with about 3/4 of the responses that I was forced to give, but I think that's kinda point. They force you to choose between the lesser of two evils, and if you do that enough times, they can kinda narrow you down into a box. Of course, everybody hates getting put in a box.
I'm a solid liberal. What up, nastoute!!! 5/10/2011 8:57:39 AM |
disco_stu All American 7436 Posts user info edit post |
Solid liberal. I'm sure the god questions put me over the top. 5/10/2011 9:04:14 AM |
Wolfmarsh What? 5975 Posts user info edit post |
Libertarian 5/10/2011 9:17:24 AM |
AndyMac All American 31922 Posts user info edit post |
I got solid liberal but I didn't expect that and don't really agree completely. 5/10/2011 11:10:38 AM |
lewisje All American 9196 Posts user info edit post |
^^^^IMO it would have been better if the full set of survey questions were used
then again it would have seemed too daunting 5/10/2011 8:14:03 PM |
thegoodlife3 All American 39304 Posts user info edit post |
solid liberal 5/10/2011 8:32:12 PM |
nastoute All American 31058 Posts user info edit post |
A chick get's it and now all the dudes are "Solid Liberals".
I was one before it was cool. 5/11/2011 12:48:33 PM |
adder All American 3901 Posts user info edit post |
Post Modern however the first question pissed me off. Religion is very important to me. I feel that a lot of what is wrong with this country is based of adherence to religion. 5/11/2011 12:59:58 PM |
BobbyDigital Thots and Prayers 41777 Posts user info edit post |
Whig 5/11/2011 1:03:39 PM |
mdozer73 All American 8005 Posts user info edit post |
Libertarian 5/11/2011 1:18:50 PM |
quagmire02 All American 44225 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "What category does it make me if I got pissed off at the questions and didn't finish the quiz?" |
this...i haven't finished, yet, but these questions are retarded
only some of them are capable of being so black-and-white
[Edited on May 11, 2011 at 1:21 PM. Reason : post-modern]5/11/2011 1:20:01 PM |
nastoute All American 31058 Posts user info edit post |
they should have a final part where you get a sliding scale to rate how much you bitched about the fucking questions 5/11/2011 1:21:31 PM |