http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/07/29/earlyshow/main20085421.shtml

Its slowly catching media attention but doesn't seem the get the coverage needed.
Trying to bring awareness to twwers.

7/29/2011 12:55:25 PM

must... not... chit... chat...

7/29/2011 12:57:01 PM

ya...we've been having internal briefings on the situation and the more i hear the more disturbing it gets.

7/29/2011 1:03:20 PM

http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2011/07/famine-in-east-africa/100115/

[Edited on July 29, 2011 at 1:04 PM. Reason : pics]

7/29/2011 1:03:53 PM

#19
Sheik Yare Abdi washes the body of four-year-old Aden Ibrahim in preparation for burial in accordance with Somali tradition, inside the makeshift shelter where Aden's family lives among other newly-arrived Somali refugees on the outskirts of Ifo II Camp, outside Dadaab, Kenya, on Tuesday, July 12, 2011. Doctors were unable to save Aden, who died of diarrhea-related dehydration after four days of inpatient care. (AP Photo/Rebecca Blackwell)

I mean, I know it sucks but c'mon. Give them the water while they're alive.

7/29/2011 1:18:23 PM

I seriously couldn't care less. I'm at the least-I-could-care mark.

I don't see them trying to help themselves other than pirate people's shit for money.



[Edited on July 29, 2011 at 1:25 PM. Reason : .]

7/29/2011 1:25:08 PM

You realize that European and American intervention in the area has caused substantial problems, right? I don't think the blame rests with you or me, but these people are not destitute simply because they're lazy...and they're certainly not all pirates.

7/29/2011 1:37:08 PM

They have a problem.
They need to fix it.

We have our problems.
We need to fix our own first.

When our problems are solved,
then we can spread the wealth.

It's the law of survival.

7/29/2011 1:44:32 PM

Compassion...you do not have it...

7/29/2011 1:45:29 PM

I have kids, they need to go to college. They need a roof over their heads and food in their mouths.

Yet somehow I find money to donate to Doctors without Borders. Maybe our government can't afford to send more aid, but surely some private citizens can.

7/29/2011 1:46:41 PM

The capital of Djibouti is Djibouti.

7/29/2011 1:49:02 PM

Can't they just hijack another tanker?

No wonder no one gives a shit about them...

7/29/2011 1:52:50 PM

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"Compassion...you do not have it... "

Damn straight. If I were to help them, they'd have to show some sort of progress. I'm not going to waste my time giving them a bottle of water today, if tomorrow they are going to die of thirst. The outcome is the same.

I'll only help them if I see them spend merely 1 calorie into helping themselves. But they don't.
Fuck them.
They can afford weapons to shoot each other.

[Edited on July 29, 2011 at 2:20 PM. Reason : .]

7/29/2011 2:19:51 PM

We get that you're not willing to help. I'm not willing to help either. However, it's not because I don't care, it's because the problems are much bigger than anything I could hope to influence in the short-term. You, apparently, just don't care that they have problems, which is why we would say you don't have compassion.

Quote :

"I'll only help them if I see them spend merely 1 calorie into helping themselves. But they don't. Fuck them. They can afford weapons to shoot each other."

You don't know anything about the people you're trashing right now.

[Edited on July 29, 2011 at 2:26 PM. Reason : ]

7/29/2011 2:25:18 PM

Quote :

"You, apparently, just don't care that they have problems,"

Quote :

"I'll only help them if I see them spend merely 1 calorie into helping themselves."

7/29/2011 2:28:07 PM

Quote :

"Compassion is the sweet nectar of the human soul which I have ejaculated upon the face of the world while pulling myself furiously- completely enthralled in the ecstasy of acquiring capital."

[Edited on July 29, 2011 at 2:33 PM. Reason : ;]

[Edited on July 29, 2011 at 2:35 PM. Reason : -]

7/29/2011 2:33:08 PM

Who are you quoting?

7/29/2011 2:35:28 PM

Quote :

"You don't know anything (like, a single god damn thing) about the people you're trashing right now."

7/29/2011 2:37:02 PM

Why don't you tell me what I don't know, Mr. Knower of everything African.

7/29/2011 2:38:38 PM

I love how because some Somalis were naval pirates, EVERY Somali deserves zero compassion.

7/29/2011 2:45:12 PM

according to the map in the OP, which is worse: crisis or emergency?

7/29/2011 2:48:13 PM

crisis >> emergency.

7/29/2011 2:49:54 PM

Quote :

"Why don't you tell me what I don't know, Mr. Knower of everything African."

I already did, along with everyone else with an ounce of sense. Not all Somalis are pirates. In fact, many industries in Somalia are growing, producing, and engaging in honest commerce. This is a country that was ravaged by violence and has been effectively ruled by warlords for some time. They are making progress, but you clearly aren't educated on this topic.

[Edited on July 29, 2011 at 2:53 PM. Reason : ]

7/29/2011 2:53:29 PM

They are exactly where they were 20,30,40,50,60,70 years ago.
I do not call that progress.

You want to see progress? Look at the yearly progression of the United States.
THAT'S PROGRESS. (specifically regarding food supply, clothes supply, housing, and standard of living)

You want to see progress? Look at the yearly progression of the China.
THAT'S PROGRESS. (specifically regarding food supply, clothes supply, housing, and standard of living)

You want to see progress? Look at the yearly progression of the South America.
THAT'S PROGRESS. (specifically regarding food supply, clothes supply, housing, and standard of living)

It only works when the society itself makes it happen.

When things are "given" to people in the form of "charity", the system will fail once the supply stops.

7/29/2011 3:05:01 PM

Those last two photos in the set are so freaking sad.

http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2011/07/famine-in-east-africa/100115/

7/29/2011 3:17:30 PM

I think it's funny that we have this




problem in the United States.


And this problem:





problem in the United States.


And this problem:





in the United States.




All of these problems and Africa's problems stem from the lack of personal and social responsibility.

[Edited on July 29, 2011 at 3:33 PM. Reason : .]

7/29/2011 3:33:08 PM

It seems this particular species has exceeded the local carrying capacity

7/29/2011 3:35:35 PM

Someone should probably open a pizza shop over there or something.

7/29/2011 3:56:44 PM

And people wonder where the good in the world has gone...its here. Its just shadowed by individuals, who by their own choice, choose not to step in time of need.

7/29/2011 3:59:35 PM

Nobody is stopping you GoldenGirl.


Go right ahead. Spend your money. Spend other people's money.


You haven't even identified the WHY or HOW these people are ending up like this. People have been helping them for decades! DECADES! But you are here today to tell me they are like this because nobody is helping.



[Edited on July 29, 2011 at 4:22 PM. Reason : .]

7/29/2011 4:21:22 PM

See this thread I made originally: http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=614203

It links to this article: http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,363663,00.html

Basically, the article describes the process by which Western countries attempt to "aid" various African regions, and how the aid actually makes things worse, as it prevents genuine growth from taking place.

So, I actually agree that we shouldn't be giving a bunch of aid to these countries. However, I still feel compassion for these people, and I think many of our current policies are making things worse. For instance, our drone attacks on Somalia. You're essentially making the "bootstraps" argument (not one I disagree with), but I'm saying that Western powers aren't blameless for the conditions there. There are policy changes we could (and should) make that wouldn't hinder progress in these regions.

7/29/2011 4:28:36 PM

i would rather be homeless in america than surviving in BFE ethiopia

7/29/2011 4:29:07 PM

Africa doesn't have a drought problem, it has a poverty problem. Solve the poverty and Africa could import all the food it can't grow itself.

7/29/2011 4:33:41 PM

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"Compassion...you do not have it..."

Money... we do not have it...

Quote :

"And people wonder where the good in the world has gone...its here. Its just shadowed by individuals, who by their own choice, choose not to step in time of need."

You typed that on a computer that probably cost you at least $300-400 while sitting in an apartment or home that costs you at least $500 per month. You then typed up this plea for compassion using the Internet which costs you at least $30 per month using electricity that's costing you probably $80 per month.

Instead of telling people how they should feel about other people who are less fortunate than them while you sit in your ivory tower, why not get your ass over to Africa and do something about it. You can have all of the internal briefings you want, but as long as you're still living it up and telling people how they should feel, people are still dying from the drought and even after the drought they will still be royally fucked.

7/29/2011 4:41:09 PM

Compassion and money are two very different things. Not once in this thread does anyone ask to give money. This is about awareness.

As for do something about it, I am already involved.


Nothing on TWW or people's responses surprise me anymore but that doesn't mean i am not saddened by them.

7/29/2011 4:59:57 PM

Quote :

"It seems this particular species has exceeded the local carrying capacity"

7/29/2011 5:02:37 PM

Quote :

"Compassion and money are two very different things. Not once in this thread does anyone ask to give money. This is about awareness. As for do something about it, I am already involved. Nothing on TWW or people's responses surprise me anymore but that doesn't mean i am not saddened by them."

Compassion doesn't solve problems. I am aware of breast cancer. whoopdefuckingdoo.


I'm a problem solver, not a problem awarer.

[Edited on July 29, 2011 at 5:07 PM. Reason : .]

7/29/2011 5:07:06 PM

Actually, it does. Are you intentionally being boneheaded, here? European and American powers actually have policies in place that are hindering growth in these regions. If people were compassionate, they would recognize that our irresponsible economic policies have consequences, and they would demand that the politicians make a change.

When all you can think about is yourself, and what policies affect you personally, lives are ruined, because you don't demand change from your government. Try thinking about how you might feel if you were on the other side.

7/29/2011 5:12:17 PM

You're putting the blame on everyone but themselves.

Popquiz: How much food does it take to feed a whole continent of people who do nothing all day except for sitting there, have sex and make more babies to feed, for a lifetime?

As far as European and American policies that are hindering them, you mention nothing about the wars that pillage progress and the corruption among community leaders and government officials alike that hoard AID.



[Edited on July 29, 2011 at 5:45 PM. Reason : .]

7/29/2011 5:40:50 PM

DONATE

http://www.dec.org

7/29/2011 5:47:36 PM

Quote :

"You're putting the blame on everyone but themselves. "

We don't control how people in these regions behave. People will be people. They'll make mistakes, they'll learn, and they'll progress.

However, we do control (to what degree is up for debate) the ways in which we interfere in these regions. I advocate a very hands off approach. Aid, if it is given, should be in the form of infrastructure, not finished goods. We should not be bombing these countries or attempting to establish/overthrow governments. We should not be exporting inflation.

Quote :

"Popquiz: How much food does it take to feed a whole continent of people who do nothing all day except for sitting there, have sex and make more babies to feed, for a lifetime?"

What a shameful thing to say. You should stop posting in this thread.

7/29/2011 5:58:46 PM

Oh goodness.

Quote :

" We don't control how people in these regions behave. People will be people. They'll make mistakes, they'll learn, and they'll progress"

You are assuming here to the Nth degree. In order for you to understand progress, you have to understand digression through progression. I don't think you understand digression through progression.
Clear example:The "No child left behind act."

[Edited on July 29, 2011 at 6:05 PM. Reason : .]

7/29/2011 6:05:26 PM

Quote :

" All of these problems and Africa's problems stem from the lack of personal and social responsibility."

Lol are you trolling? You are funny sometimes in chit chat but you clearly have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, and if you seriously believe the things you are saying, the you are also a piss poor problem solver.

I had always assumed your ignorance in chit chat was feigned, and you were being sarcastic, but I'm not so sure now...

7/29/2011 6:24:17 PM

This idea that Africa's problems are down to a lack of "personality responsibility" is complete bullshit. Africans are poor because they were in the Stone Age until about a hundred years ago, because their first contacts with more advanced civilizations came in the form of rape/exploitation/military domination, and because their their political ideals have not yet had time to catch up with their military technology, i.e. African leaders and gangsters possess 20th-century weapons, but no concept of/respect for political justice.

7/29/2011 6:28:45 PM

Quote :

"This idea that Africa's problems are down to a lack of "personality responsibility" is complete bullshit. Africans are poor because they were in the Stone Age until about a hundred years ago, because their first contacts with more advanced civilizations came in the form of rape/exploitation/military domination, and because their their political ideals have not yet had time to catch up with their military technology, i.e. African leaders and gangsters possess 20th-century weapons, but no concept of/respect for political justice."

lol wut?


@Moron. I'm clearly not wrong. It's impossible to tell me I'm wrong. Of course, I'm living in the real world, not some make believe place.

Basic concept: Earth, as we know it, is on its own in this universe. There is nobody to give us AID if we fuck it up. Earth is our personal responsibility.

Ethiopia is a country. A country is it's own territory. If the rest of the world didn't exist, they'd be responsible for their own survival. Don't make it seem like it's impossible. Native Americans did it, Vikings did it. Romans, Chinese, Mongolians... but for some reason the pieces of shit in Africa have no responsibility for themselves and it's everyone else's fault?

Give me a break.

[Edited on July 29, 2011 at 6:38 PM. Reason : .]

7/29/2011 6:38:02 PM

this reminds me of a south park episode where all the hippies are having an awareness concert but they don't actually do anything. They just talk about it.

I guess what i'm trying to say is, if you're promoting awareness, also promote how you can actually try to help these individuals. And not just financially, because ultimately it just hurts them more than actually helping them ( as someone pointed out early ). Providing them water and food is good to fill those immediate needs but if that is all you're doing then you're just exacerbating the problem.

[Edited on July 29, 2011 at 6:40 PM. Reason : x]

7/29/2011 6:39:10 PM

I think this needs to be linked again

http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,363663,00.html

Quote :

"Aid, if it is given, should be in the form of infrastructure, not finished goods. "

I agree, except that I've also read on how infrastructure can cause deaths. There was an article about how celebrities try and make beneficiary organizations that go and build infrastructure. Apart from the obvious Madonna fiasco, other failures include building a school for one community, only for that community to be attacked and people killed by a neighboring tribe just to take that school.

I honestly have no idea how to give aid in these areas. Some documentaries have followed how refugees were taken from some recent embattled area of Africa and put in America, where they were given jobs and taught how to live here. After a few years, they were able to do whatever they wanted, and several wanted to get educated in America and then go back to Africa to set up organizations to help their people.

Education could be very beneficial, but doesn't quite have the instant soul-easing gratification that white people love.

7/29/2011 6:41:39 PM

The solution is simple. Move these people to the developed world.

7/29/2011 7:07:39 PM

Quote :

"The solution is simple. Move these people to the developed world."

Then, once the lands are de-populated, people from the developed world can move in with their right to bear arms and secure property rights and re-birth Africa as a first world continent. Every-body wins!

7/29/2011 7:10:28 PM

maybe it's time that charitable groups dumped their money into something useful like a cogeneration / reverse osmosis plant instead of wasting money on HIV medication and church-based schools.

7/29/2011 7:23:39 PM