This isn't a referendum on the President. It's a poorly-run campaign.

http://tinyurl.com/6k7or2l

http://tinyurl.com/6xwkx5c

Odd...I don't see this ANYWHERE on CNN's website.

9/14/2011 12:06:26 AM

go look now douchenozzle

9/14/2011 12:52:44 AM

Might as well rename TSB to Kdogg(c)'s Threads About Shit No One Cares About

For real dude. Just because it is political in nature doesn't make it a good soap box thread. If your actual beef here is about the MSM, there are already threads for that. If your beef is something else then you violated TSB code because you didn't start the damn thread with any sort of commentary.

You keep failing over and over again so stop making these shitty threads. Just think of these threads as debt and follow your Dave Ramsey shit. You want to get out of debt.

9/14/2011 6:59:41 AM

Most people I know that follow that Dave Ramsey shit do so because they lost all their money in multilevel marketing or some shit like that.

So yeah, the intelligence level of this guy seems ripe for some Financial Peace (tm).

9/14/2011 11:07:09 AM

Sour grapes, gents.

This is hilarious...this has happened a few times now. The Democrats fail to recognize the reasons behind the stunning upsets for seats that should easily be theirs. Then they lose. Then they try and convince themselves and the rest of the world that this isn't about Obama.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/63512.html

Quote :

"Hill Dems dismiss NY-9 as 'bizarre' Capitol Hill Democrats tried out their own spin on the party’s stunning loss in Tuesday’s special election in New York, dismissing the race as nothing more than local, “bizarre” politics. Some concede that frustration with President Barack Obama may have snatched away some votes. But several congressional Democrats on Wednesday said other factors in the race – including a former Democratic mayor’s endorsement of the Republican candidate, as well as issue of Israel – made this much more of a New York phenomenon than a national referendum. “The New York election was bizarre, just totally bizarre,” said Rep. Peter DeFazio (D-Ore.). “It was about Israel, it was about gay marriage, it was about all sorts of local issues. It was not a referendum on anything outside of that district.” Republican Bob Turner defeated Democratic David Weprin on Tuesday in the seat vacated by former Rep. Anthony Weiner earlier this year. Turner and other Republicans made a strong push for votes in the heavily Jewish district by focusing on Israel and Weprin’s vote for same-sex marriage in the New York State Assembly. “I think that Obama administration was attacked on its perceived policies with respect to Israel,” said Rep. Hank Johnson (D-Ga.). “We are talking about a heavily Jewish constituency up there; that may have frightened them into voting against their political interests.” Johnson also blamed Weiner, who left the Queens- and Brooklyn-area seat vacant after resigning in disgrace following a Twitter-fueled lewd photo scandal. Johnson noted “discomfort” and “disappointment” with Weiner’s conduct that may have turned off voters from the Democratic candidate. Rep. Mike Ross (D-Ark.), who co-chairs the politically moderate Blue Dog Coalition, said it wasn’t “too big a shock” that Democrats lost the New York seat – a district that Democrats have held since the 1920s and where they enjoy a 3-1 registration advantage. “I’m sure the Republicans [would say] that this is another example of a bad year for the president, bad year for Democrats,” said Ross, who is retiring at the end of this term. “I would disagree.” A fellow Blue Dog, Rep. Heath Shuler (D-N.C.), agreed. “We all went through difficult races last time, and all of us came out substantially ahead [at the] end of last year’s election cycle,” noted Shuler, whose district went for John McCain in 2008 and who faced a tough reelection bid in 2010. “So it really comes down to each candidate.” Two Senate Democrats up for re-election also downplayed the broader impact of the New York race. “I think that was more had to do with the orthodox Jewish community - that’s what it sounded like to me,” said Ohio Sen. Sherrod Brown, though he said the public is “mad” at both parties. Sen. Debbie Stabenow of Michigan said special elections only provide a “snapshot” of where the electorate is at, and much can change in a year-and-a-half. “I don’t think any of the elections have broad implications,” she said. “We’ve got to get the word out on who’s fighting for middle class families, for seniors, and who’s really committed to creating jobs.” "

Hey Debbie....I think the word is out.

9/14/2011 3:03:15 PM

Who here is saying this isn't about Obama? Of course it is about Obama. He's viewed as doing a bad job right now for one reason or another. The DNC is spinning it.

Wait, I get it...this is one of those hooksaw threads where what national Dems do has to be answered for by anyone and everyone that isn't a part of your right wing clique. Has it occurred to you that maybe most people who aren't in politics could give a shit?

This is the part where you post a wall of text, some bold parts, and the rolly eyes and claim that we're wrong because some other Democrat somewhere said some dumb thing.

Actually, if you want to play it that way and claim that anyone on the left has to answer for Obama, I can play it that way for the right: why do most polls still show most GOP candidates getting beat by such a weak president?

[Edited on September 14, 2011 at 3:21 PM. Reason : z]

9/14/2011 3:18:24 PM

So NY-23 was all about Obama too, right? How about NY-26? ....

9/14/2011 4:32:35 PM

Okay, I guess we can have this thread degenerate into all other-data-vs-data threads.

In the NY-23 Special Election of 2009, Bill Owens was running as the Democrat, Dede Scozzafava was running as the Republican, and Doug Hoffman was running as the Conservative.

The special election was seen as a referendum on Obama (both by AP and by the NYT). Prior to the election, Owens was asked if he would vote for Obamacare because it had a public option. Most conservatives endorsed Hoffman over Scozzafava and, because her poll numbers were in the single-digits two days before the election, Scozzafava dropped out of the race and endorsed Owens. Owens won with a plurality:
48.3% for Owens.
46 % for Hoffman.
5.7% for Scozzafava.

You probably don't remember this thread, do you?
http://thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=580722&page=1#13421688

Well, it says that immediately after being elected, Owens "changed his mind" and decided he was going to vote for Obamacare even with the public option.

In the 2010 election, Owens won with another plurality over two conservative candidates. The results were as follows:
47.5% for Owens (D).
46.4% for Dohenny (R).
6.1% for Hoffman (C).


As for the 26th...the story is similar, except the referendum was not on Obama, but on Kathy Hochul's (D) use of the Mediscare argument against Jane Corwin, who supported Rep. Paul Ryan's plan to give seniors vouchers to buy health insurance (heaven forbid). Oh, also, a Tea Party candidate, Jack Davis, joined the race as an alternative to Corwin. Hochul (like Owens), won with a plurality:
47.2% for Hochul (D).
42.3% for Corwin (R).
9% for Davis (T).

9/14/2011 6:01:58 PM

So Obama breaks even and the republicans failed at selling their shitty agenda. Makes sense.

9/14/2011 7:34:59 PM

Look, I don't know why you guys are getting so worked up over this. It's not like the Dems just lost a Congressional seat in a district that President Obama won by 11 points in 2008, or that John Kerry won by 12 points in 2004, or that Al Gore won by 37 points in 2000, or that Anthony Weiner won by at least 20 points in every race in which he ran.

Now that I think about it, maybe you guys are right, and the Obama Administration doesn't have anything to worry about.

Actually, this turned out to be an enormous win for them!

YES WE CAN!!!!11ONE

9/14/2011 8:59:50 PM

lol @ sour grapes

[Edited on September 15, 2011 at 12:30 AM. Reason : .]

9/15/2011 12:29:14 AM

Quote :

"Look, I don't know why you guys are getting so worked up over this. It's not like the Dems just lost a Congressional seat in a district that President Obama won by 11 points in 2008, or that John Kerry won by 12 points in 2004, or that Al Gore won by 37 points in 2000, or that Anthony Weiner won by at least 20 points in every race in which he ran. Now that I think about it, maybe you guys are right, and the Obama Administration doesn't have anything to worry about. Actually, this turned out to be an enormous win for them! YES WE CAN!!!!11ONE"

The only thing anyone cares about in here is why you didn't just post this in "Liberal Credibility Watch" or "Obama Credibility Watch". I don't know what you're expecting, hooksaw.

[Edited on September 15, 2011 at 8:13 AM. Reason : z]

9/15/2011 8:11:04 AM